Stick them on the Alchemical launchers and just convert the lead shots into whatever energy time we want instead of just force? On the Wyverns. The cannons for the Moonchaser.
Stick them on the Alchemical launchers and just convert the lead shots into whatever energy time we want instead of just force? On the Wyverns. The cannons for the Moonchaser.
I am half considering whether making Fighters from the Blood Donation trees would also be a good idea. They would travel with the Druids and protect them. They would also train the local village guard on how to fight and defend themselves against the various monsters that exist. Yes a Fighter aint exactly a game changer but it is another body to soak damage while the caster(s) prepare to work. It also serves as good benefit for future recruitment as many of those in the local guard with some standard training would have a much easier time adjusting and less time training in the legion.
The Blood donation trees are supposed to be about charity not power, and it's mainly meant to produce low level healers, they aren't troubleshooters they are wandering docters, even if they need protection, they would only need protection from the normal dangers of the road, so assigning mundane mercenaries to them would be enough.
Making Fighters would kind of dilute the purpose of the trees, it's supposed to be about charity and helping each other, involving fighting in it, seem likely to at least make it seem less of a pure charity program.
So I was looking for other protective spells to supplement the brilliant barrier system when I found something that might be useful for the legion.
Absorbing Barrier works by giving all creatures and objects in its area dr 20/magic against ranged weapons until it's protected them against a collective 20 damage/caster level.
it's a 4th level spell, so having our combat mages throwing it around isn't feasible. However, it lasts an hour a caster level which makes a low uses per day item more practical for field use. Adding high power ones to our fixed emplacements would be a good idea as well.
Granted, we have a lot of enemies with magic, but we can force them to burn more valuable resources than arrows and big rocks to kill legionaries or destroy critical equipment.
At 1,008 IM for even a 1/Day use item isn't particularly cheap, especially if we were to make a large number of them to protect fixed positions. It would be better to scribe scrolls of Absorbing Barrier for those purposes, IMO.
What I'm more interested in the spell for, assuming the effect can be mobile rather than fixed upon casting, would be as a Wyvern upgrade. And as an effect to place on the saddles of our Dragonriders. At minimum 7th caster level, it would still last 7 hours and absorb 140 points of ranged attack damage.
From my reading of the spell, it does seem like it would be mobile. @DragonParadox?
If we get enough of them we could effectively force any of our mortal enemies to engage in melee with the legion instead of trying to get tricky when they realize how awful an idea getting close is.
On the opposite end, would Energy Siege Shot be useful for the wyverns and moonchasers? Sort of pricy since it's 5th level, but at 10min/CL and the ability to choose the energy type at activation it's pretty flexible. Plus it specifically allows energy damage dealt by this spell to do full damage to objects, so we wouldn't even lose our on bombardment.
20 per caster level up to 200 damage. Depending on the group they could burn that up quickly, but it's certainly not nothing.
Too expensive to place on the weapons of a Moonchaser, as there are way too many of them, plus it can throw down with enough Alchemical munitions to make it less useful.
At just 1,620 IM for a 1/Day effect, It would be a very nice Wyvern upgrade, though, if their combined Launcher system qualifies as a Large siege engine. @DragonParadox?
At just 1,620 IM for a 1/Day effect, It would be a very nice Wyvern upgrade, though, if their combined Launcher system qualifies as a Large siege engine. @DragonParadox?
Adhoc vote count started by Goldfish on Dec 12, 2019 at 5:39 AM, finished with 78 posts and 13 votes.
[X] "I would point out that the lore is already categorized by level of danger it represents, such that common lore might be readily available at the first layer of the system, and restricted lore within the second layer is already monitored fastidiously, records kept of who accesses it, for what reason and even what project it will go on to advance," which would go on to list all of the other lore, techniques and spells developed therein. "Anything remotely so dangerous that it could easily be abused casually by anyone unobserved for a short period of time would then be held within the Royal Archive, and accessed only with the Crown's personal oversight."
-[X] "The Red Faith is already deeply involved in the Scholarum by dint of the fact that many of its priesthood are mages. It has what some factions would call unreasonable sway by the sheer weight of its collective voice in multiple facets of the Realm. This proposal sets a rather different precedent, one that would have other groups reaching for influence beyond their purview, right or even reach. The point of unifying the realm as much as possible in its institutions was to grant equal access and equal protection under the law from all who would abuse magic, wealth or power by any other means, and allow for a degree of transparency rather than furthering the Cabalistic practices of the Freehold, something we still have to fight against each day as more mages grasp the higher circles of spells and remain merely restless rather than recalcitrant due to the fact that they have been given the means to advance their research for their own benefit as much as the Realm."
-[X] "How could I further reassure the Priesthood without compromising on this matter?" You are always open to his advice, but even an "unofficial adviser" who had little authority could cause resentment in the other way, lore extracted without proper reverence toward its subject matter could cause resentment from the supposed gatekeeper who is helpless but to offer warnings against folly. "Perhaps a tenure for a sufficiently talented Priest for a few years heading the local Scholarum while Lord Naethyreon focuses on matters of rule? They would have to set aside their duties to the Faith, but for that time the lore could be housed here in Volantis and he could observe the procedures that we have already established are followed? This is neither unusual or upsetting in precedent. Eventually the lore would be distributed and secured in the proper manner across the Realm, but the merits of the system would have had its time to prove its worth. Should abuses follow despite the measures taken we might revisit the subject again, if nothing else than to revise security measures." -[X] Ask that Benerro further develop the ritual he used to ensnare the Herald of Ymeri inside the Burning Mansion -- we have applications for it, but need to drastically increase the range.
I found a few other cool ones that I couldn't find an immediate purpose for that we might get some use from. Etheric Shards involves invisible transdimensional razor blades interdicting a 10ft cube/level. Which is metal as hell, but we don't really do area denial. Maybe for the B-party?
Dream Dalliance would make for a decent "assassination" spell for people we want out of the way without immediately killing. Sure break enchantment can get rid of it but that's a 5th level spell, people who can cast it don't exactly grow on trees. Lanna is the only goldshield who can manage it right now (I think?).
Edit: correction, there is a least one mage growing on a tree that we know of. He likes us though, so it's not a problem.
Mages don't grow on trees, Brynden is on a tree, but he was fully grown before fusing with it, he's withering on a tree, not growing on it, Leshies don't tend to be trees, they tend to be other types of plants, and Treants don't grow on trees, they are trees, they grow on the ground.
Had some internet troubles for the past few hours vote closed now.
Adhoc vote count started by Goldfish on Dec 12, 2019 at 5:39 AM, finished with 78 posts and 13 votes.
[X] "I would point out that the lore is already categorized by level of danger it represents, such that common lore might be readily available at the first layer of the system, and restricted lore within the second layer is already monitored fastidiously, records kept of who accesses it, for what reason and even what project it will go on to advance," which would go on to list all of the other lore, techniques and spells developed therein. "Anything remotely so dangerous that it could easily be abused casually by anyone unobserved for a short period of time would then be held within the Royal Archive, and accessed only with the Crown's personal oversight."
-[X] "The Red Faith is already deeply involved in the Scholarum by dint of the fact that many of its priesthood are mages. It has what some factions would call unreasonable sway by the sheer weight of its collective voice in multiple facets of the Realm. This proposal sets a rather different precedent, one that would have other groups reaching for influence beyond their purview, right or even reach. The point of unifying the realm as much as possible in its institutions was to grant equal access and equal protection under the law from all who would abuse magic, wealth or power by any other means, and allow for a degree of transparency rather than furthering the Cabalistic practices of the Freehold, something we still have to fight against each day as more mages grasp the higher circles of spells and remain merely restless rather than recalcitrant due to the fact that they have been given the means to advance their research for their own benefit as much as the Realm."
-[X] "How could I further reassure the Priesthood without compromising on this matter?" You are always open to his advice, but even an "unofficial adviser" who had little authority could cause resentment in the other way, lore extracted without proper reverence toward its subject matter could cause resentment from the supposed gatekeeper who is helpless but to offer warnings against folly. "Perhaps a tenure for a sufficiently talented Priest for a few years heading the local Scholarum while Lord Naethyreon focuses on matters of rule? They would have to set aside their duties to the Faith, but for that time the lore could be housed here in Volantis and he could observe the procedures that we have already established are followed? This is neither unusual or upsetting in precedent. Eventually the lore would be distributed and secured in the proper manner across the Realm, but the merits of the system would have had its time to prove its worth. Should abuses follow despite the measures taken we might revisit the subject again, if nothing else than to revise security measures." -[X] Ask that Benerro further develop the ritual he used to ensnare the Herald of Ymeri inside the Burning Mansion -- we have applications for it, but need to drastically increase the range.
Ah, I see the switch. Eh it's not that big a deal. And honestly, I'll admit favoritism in the form of allowing an additional voice in lore approval doesn't really bother me as much as say allowing people to keep their lore private. The difference between trying to work in the system and trying to make o avoid it essentially. And this is a case where "How Much Viserys Likes You" is a legit modififier to qualifying for that favor since that would represent how much Viserys trusts that you have legit and good reasons for wanting an additional say.
Ah, I see the switch. Eh it's not that big a deal. And honestly, I'll admit favoritism in the form of allowing an additional voice in lore approval doesn't really bother me as much as say allowing people to keep their lore private. The difference between trying to work in the system and trying to make o avoid it essentially. And this is a case where "How Much Viserys Likes You" is a legit modififier to qualifying for that favor since that would represent how much Viserys trusts that you have legit and good reasons for wanting an additional say.
It's more that everyone will demand additional license in managing who gets access to what. Benerro was talking about a position without any real authority, but that in itself conveys the message that you will make political/religious enemies if you don't toe the line on what that gatekeeper says you can and can't do.
I fully agree with not trying to directly suborn or sabotage a God using divine lore. Well in a "do as I say not as I do" sense, since we fuck with Evil Gods all the time.
That's asking for a disaster to unfold (when you aren't us). But the Scholarum itself already monitors and controls access to lore that can be potentially dangerous. And the Crown controls who can access lore which is immediately dangerous if applied the wrong way, to the point that they will actually monitor the progress of your research since you're going to be sharing the results anyway. It's not impossible to abuse this, but that's what other controls are for.
Adhoc vote count started by Goldfish on Dec 12, 2019 at 9:51 AM, finished with 86 posts and 14 votes.
[X] "I would point out that the lore is already categorized by level of danger it represents, such that common lore might be readily available at the first layer of the system, and restricted lore within the second layer is already monitored fastidiously, records kept of who accesses it, for what reason and even what project it will go on to advance," which would go on to list all of the other lore, techniques and spells developed therein. "Anything remotely so dangerous that it could easily be abused casually by anyone unobserved for a short period of time would then be held within the Royal Archive, and accessed only with the Crown's personal oversight."
-[X] "The Red Faith is already deeply involved in the Scholarum by dint of the fact that many of its priesthood are mages. It has what some factions would call unreasonable sway by the sheer weight of its collective voice in multiple facets of the Realm. This proposal sets a rather different precedent, one that would have other groups reaching for influence beyond their purview, right or even reach. The point of unifying the realm as much as possible in its institutions was to grant equal access and equal protection under the law from all who would abuse magic, wealth or power by any other means, and allow for a degree of transparency rather than furthering the Cabalistic practices of the Freehold, something we still have to fight against each day as more mages grasp the higher circles of spells and remain merely restless rather than recalcitrant due to the fact that they have been given the means to advance their research for their own benefit as much as the Realm."
-[X] "How could I further reassure the Priesthood without compromising on this matter?" You are always open to his advice, but even an "unofficial adviser" who had little authority could cause resentment in the other way, lore extracted without proper reverence toward its subject matter could cause resentment from the supposed gatekeeper who is helpless but to offer warnings against folly. "Perhaps a tenure for a sufficiently talented Priest for a few years heading the local Scholarum while Lord Naethyreon focuses on matters of rule? They would have to set aside their duties to the Faith, but for that time the lore could be housed here in Volantis and he could observe the procedures that we have already established are followed? This is neither unusual or upsetting in precedent. Eventually the lore would be distributed and secured in the proper manner across the Realm, but the merits of the system would have had its time to prove its worth. Should abuses follow despite the measures taken we might revisit the subject again, if nothing else than to revise security measures." -[X] Ask that Benerro further develop the ritual he used to ensnare the Herald of Ymeri inside the Burning Mansion -- we have applications for it, but need to drastically increase the range.
"I would point out that the lore is already categorized by level of danger it represents, such that common lore might be readily available at the first layer of the system, and restricted lore within the second layer is already monitored fastidiously, records kept of who accesses it, for what reason and even what project it will go on to advance, which would go on to list all of the other lore, techniques and spells developed therein." you point out, calling forth an organizational schema of the Scholarum from your cloak. Mages sometimes say in jest that it is more arcane than any grimoire, but the security aspects are very clear indeed. The last thing you need is an offender claiming ignorance. "Anything remotely dangerous that could be easily abused by anyone unobserved for a short period of time would then be held within the Royal Archive, and accessed only with the Crown's personal oversight," you conclude.
"It is not casual abuse I fear, but thoughtful and systematic," Benerro replies. He hesitates a moment, weighing his words. "I have worked with members of the Mysterium in the past and while Wisdom Zherys has proven worthy of the title at every turn, I must admit I have less confidence in others of his order. Even Lady Elaena, whom I count among the most adept in the crafting of rituals, required aid in extracting her soul from the grasps of Hell."
"Surely she would be all the more cautious of such dangers now," Lya interjects reasonably. "The beginnings of rediscovering magic involved much stumbling in the dark." She gives a wry smile. "When I think of some of my own methods three or four years ago I still marvel that I came out of it as well as I did. But now that the Scholarum is established with access not just to the remains of ancient arcane traditions, but the real living arts of the Genie Realms, now that we know the shape of the Spheres and the natures of the powers that seek our ruin the danger is far less."
"I am not sure I can entirely share your enthusiasm," the priest sighs, the drive that so animates him fading away for a moment, the lines upon his face seeming deeper. "There will always be fools and madmen." You are reminded rather abruptly that this is a man who had seen even more of the old world than Zherys, the scrambling ambition of the Old Blood, the slow decay of Volantis as it sank ever deeper into dreams of the past and the lives of slaves grew grimmer.
"I understand your fears, Holy One, to an extent I share them..." Albeit you very much doubt that any rogue Scholarum mage would try to test his wits against the Red God, there are other secrets one might use with fewer guardians. "However," you continue, "The Red Faith is already deeply involved in the Scholarum by dint of the fact that many of its priesthood are mages. It has what some factions would call unreasonable sway by the sheer weight of its collective voice in multiple facets of the realm." To make the point you draw yet a second parchment from your cloak, this one a list of names, the Red Priests that are formally a part of the Scholarum here in Volantis.
Lower Order Priests and Acolytes:
3x Cleric 5
7x Cleric 4
8x Cleric 3
16x Cleric 2
9x Cleric 1
One hundred and twenty five Sorcerer-Priests, no less than one might expect from an order that taught sorcery before the awakening and with access to the deepest pool of talent in Essos, but still it makes your point. "This proposal sets a rather different precedent, one that would have other groups reaching for influence beyond their purview, right or even reach. The point of unifying the realm as much as possible in its institutions was to grant equal access and equal protection under the law from all who would abuse magic, wealth or power by any other means, and allow for a degree of transparency rather than furthering the Cabalistic practices of the Freehold, something we still have to fight against each day as more mages grasp the higher circles of spells and remain merely restless rather than recalcitrant due to the fact that they have been given the means to advance their research for their own benefit as much as the realm."
"A fair point," the Flame Keeper looks almost startled. "I must confess I have never associated our tradition with the secretive mage circles of the Dragonlords, for we accept all who come to learn with faith in R'hllor and love of their fellow man. Where R'hllor is darkness and secrets cannot long endure. But perhaps in gathering around said light we have constrained it from shinning upon others who may have benefited."
Though the answer is one that you had been seeking you moderate your enthusiasm to merely nodding, you can see Benerro is not entirely at ease with the thought in either how it reflects his relationship to R'hllor or how he might present it to his fellows. "Perhaps a tenure for a sufficiently talented priest for a few years heading the local Scholarum while Lord Naethyreon focuses on matters of rule might serve?" you offer. It would help maintain something of the equilibrium of power the city had grown used to besides. You have no doubt you could solve any disturbances as they arose, but better an ounce of prevention than a pound of cure.
"How would you foresee this secondment being enacted, Your Grace?" The Flame Keeper asks, looking out the window for a moment though his gaze is lost in further places still, likely considering who might best fit the task.
"They would have to set aside their duties to the Faith, but for that time the lore could be housed here in Volantis and he could observe the procedures that we have already established are followed. This is neither unusual or upsetting in precedent. Eventually the lore would be distributed and secured in the proper manner across the realm, but the merits of the system would have had its time to prove its worth. Should abuses follow despite the measures taken we might revisit the subject again, if nothing else than to revise security measures."
"Yes, that would be quite sufficient," Benerro nods firmly, a smile once more upon his features. "Thank you for your understating in this matter, I know it was not an easy path to thread. If there is anything I can do to help..."
"There is one thing I would ask of you, Holy One, if it is possible, the ritual used to bind the Herald of Ymeri. I would have need for it, but it would have to cover far more space."
"That would not be easy, not swift unless the Lord of Light should see fit to shine down particular good fortune upon the project," the priest replies plainly.
Speaking of the Lord of Light, you had not come to Volantis to speak only to his priests, but also to the god himself, though there remains the question of how do do so. Should you ask for Benerro's aid or wait for Lady Melisandre? Perhaps you might even try to seek out the god in solitary meditation?
What do you do?
[] Ask for Benerro's aid in contacting the Lord of Light
[] Wait for Melisandre to return from the Shadow Plane to aid you in contacting R'hllor
[] Meditate alone and try to seek the Red God
[] Write in
OOC: Well here we are, unfortunately I could not find a prestige class for divine crafter, so straight cleric it is.
That's a lot of Clerics.
Of course, the place seems to have been the main place for R'hlor's devotes to congregate upon for a fair while...
But this is still an unexpected (and mostly welcome) surprise.
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I actually have no fucking idea how to go about contacting R'hlor.
We cant ask Benerro's opinion in the "d'ya think R'hlor would be okay setting aside some of his tenets for a bit to fight Timmie?"-way without coming off as affronting, we can't know when Mel is gon be finished with her task...
And looking for R'hlor all by ourselves is risky/tedious in equal measure.
A bit off topic, but looking for those barrier spells reminded me of a few other personal combat spells I bookmarked for the companions.
Bartering Blast is a level three spell that, if I'm reading it correctly, gives 4 blasts that cause 5d6 force damage each and allow a CMB 32 bull rush on hit. Each blast past the first that hits gives their CMB a +10 bonus, and you roll each bull rush then take the highest when multiple blasts hit the same target. So if we smacked one person with all 4 of them it'd be a best of 4 CMB 62 bull rush attempts.
Banishing Blade so Richard can stab outsiders so hard they need to make a will save to stay on the same plane as him. The free bull rush the first time he hits someone every round is pretty useful outside of that as well.
Animus Mine not sure if this one was brought up already, but an item for this from the Gith would make for a nice spite shot at anyone who tries mind effecting stuff.
That's a lot of Clerics.
Of course, the place seems to have been the main place for R'hlor's devotes to congregate upon for a fair while...
But this is still an unexpected (and mostly welcome) surprise.
It's not just that, it's that they had a means of training clerics from day one, no rediscovering ancient lore, no research into forbidden secrets, just go into the archives and see how they trained priests five hundred years ago, if something is not clear conjure a divine servitor of R'hllor and ask them. The combination of enduring magical tradition and divine aid is quite potent.