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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Crake said:
-[] Explain that while many of the current laws regarding Succession will be grandfathered in due to Westeros not being as malleable to legislation regarding that subject as the East, and the East having a few stand-out cases mostly in regards to underdeveloped regions that would not be productive without generational guidance regardless, that by and large you plan on rewarding different vassals not with larger grants or land, but instead pieces that you can shuffle around through the long ages.
-[] Further, explain that Relath is a viceroy, and while he holds to his oaths and provides just rule to those within his remit, that is not a position likely to ever shift. And if it did, it would be due to Relath's willing (cue scoff) resignation or death beyond any and all recall.
-[] So quite frankly if she (Wavespinner) is only seeking to place part of her clutch on the Throne of Tolos, she will likely leave quite disappointed. And it's so far from a concern even a long-lived sorcerer would have about a dragon liable to live thousands of years so long as his overlord holds him in favor that it wouldn't be worth scheming over anyway.
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Is highlighting Relath's position as a viceroy in front of him a good idea? Sure he knows it's the case, but I think he mostly views it as a formality for placating the mortals. That's technically the case here, but I think he knows enough now to realize Viserys actually gives a shit about his mother's opinions.

We don't want Relath thinking too strongly on the "technicality" that Viserys can just revoke his ownership over what he effectively views as part of his hoard. That's the sort of thing that rubs a dragon the wrong way, and leads young ones into doing stupid things.

Crake said:
None of these people married Relath willingly... at best they grew to accept, maybe even fall into with a will, their circumstances.

Viserys might feel compassion for them in that, but he wouldn't exactly worry over something that was arranged in the first place not to place them in positions of any great influence other than "hostage to your good behavior". Their happiness is also largely secondary to the stability of Tolos if she's thinking in terms of someone raised in a feudal environment. Many women who's husbands die in a couple of decades despite being much older in Relath's case have even less personal freedom even after the fact than these women do at present thanks to his laws.
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She also suffered greatly as a result of effectively the same logic. If there was ever a topic she'd reevaluate her cultural preconceptions on its this one.
 
BronzeTongue said:
Is highlighting Relath's position as a viceroy in front of him a good idea? Sure he knows it's the case, but I think he mostly views it as a formality for placating the mortals. That's technically the case here, but I think he knows enough now to realize Viserys actually gives a shit about his mother's opinions.

We don't want Relath thinking too strongly on the "technicality" that Viserys can just revoke his ownership over what he effectively views as part of his hoard. That's the sort of thing that rubs a dragon the wrong way, and leads young ones into doing stupid things.


She also suffered greatly as a result of effectively the same logic. If there was ever a topic she'd reevaluate her cultural preconceptions on its this one.
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You're right, in retrospect since she realizes all of that already no need to be tactless @Goldfish.
 
BronzeTongue said:
Is highlighting Relath's position as a viceroy in front of him a good idea? Sure he knows it's the case, but I think he mostly views it as a formality for placating the mortals. That's technically the case here, but I think he knows enough now to realize Viserys actually gives a shit about his mother's opinions.

We don't want Relath thinking too strongly on the "technicality" that Viserys can just revoke his ownership over what he effectively views as part of his hoard. That's the sort of thing that rubs a dragon the wrong way, and leads young ones into doing stupid things.


She also suffered greatly as a result of effectively the same logic. If there was ever a topic she'd reevaluate her cultural preconceptions on its this one.
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Crake said:
You're right, in retrospect since she realizes all of that already no need to be tactless @Goldfish.
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Okay, that section has been removed.
 
Jack vile Ripper said:
This woman is tickling my 'danger sense'.
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9th level mage.
She should tickle every sane person's danger sense.
Crake said:
That's quite frankly insane. For a variety of reasons, and most of them actually have nothing to do with us.
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I would prefer some insight, even superficially, in her research before saying that.
Remember the Efreeti who could sacrifice his halfblood-children for disposable extra-bodies?
 
DragonParadox said:
She did not know about any of those. It's not like she spends her days watching for Relath's amorous conquests.
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Okay. Moving on to something more relevant, what's Viserys' estimation on what the Sorceress is up to? Could she want a 3/4 Brine Dragon child for whatever reason, or could this be part of a scheme to ascend to True Dragonhood like some of us initially believed?
 
Artemis1992 said:
9th level mage.
She should tickle every sane person's danger sense.

I would prefer some insight, even superficially, in her research before saying that.
Remember the Efreeti who could sacrifice his halfblood-children for disposable extra-bodies?
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I did say "a variety of different reasons".

Let's just say that the whole callous disregard of those that spring from your loins as chattel and lab materials is how you get Valyria'd.
 
Crake said:
I did say "a variety of different reasons".

Let's just say that the whole callous disregard of those that spring from your loins as chattel and lab materials is how you get Valyria'd.
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The hilarious part was that Relath totally would have gotten himself Valyria'd had we not conquered him. He was literally breeding half-dragons so he could have more sorcerers.

Now we can properly indoctrinate them within the Imperium and train them properly in the Scholarum.
 
Duesal said:
Okay. Moving on to something more relevant, what's Viserys' estimation on what the Sorceress is up to? Could she want a 3/4 Brine Dragon child for whatever reason, or could this be part of a scheme to ascend to True Dragonhood like some of us initially believed?
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Crake said:
I did say "a variety of different reasons".

Let's just say that the whole callous disregard of those that spring from your loins as chattel and lab materials is how you get Valyria'd.
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A relativly harmless reason could be that studying a true Brine Dragon from up close is helpful for her research, less friendly options mean she needs something from Relath or her potential children.
Hell, for all we know she just wants that salty body for entirely non-magical reasons.

Magic offers too many options to allow for good guessing here, without further knowledge, so we should really try to get an impression of her current research and interests before agreeing to anything.
Of course nothing deeper, I don't expect an archmage to share her results for free, but enough to make educated guesses is a must-have.
 
Duesal said:
Okay. Moving on to something more relevant, what's Viserys' estimation on what the Sorceress is up to? Could she want a 3/4 Brine Dragon child for whatever reason, or could this be part of a scheme to ascend to True Dragonhood like some of us initially believed?
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He does not know her enough to make any strong guesses It's certainly not out of he realm of possibility that she just finds Relath attractive, he is unusually considerate of mortals for a young Brine Dragon for one.
 
DragonParadox said:
He does not know her enough to make any strong guesses It's certainly not out of he realm of possibility that she just finds Relath attractive, he is unusually considerate of mortals for a young Brine Dragon for one.
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Fingers crossed for said attraction being enough to enter our service. @DragonParadox, I hope these archmages know we're willing to facilitate and fund their research if our goals happen to align and they're willing to share their results.

[X] Goldfish
 
DragonParadox said:
He does not know her enough to make any strong guesses It's certainly not out of he realm of possibility that she just finds Relath attractive, he is unusually considerate of mortals for a young Brine Dragon for one.
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Not entirely of his own accord, but hey does that mean we can claim credit for being his wing-man? :V

GET IT? *cackles*
 
Wavespinner is a 9-th level caster half-brine dragon in the plane of water. If she were just interested in a Brine dragon ... fling, she had ample opportunity. She's asking for Relath. Why?
 
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Duesal said:
Okay. Moving on to something more relevant, what's Viserys' estimation on what the Sorceress is up to? Could she want a 3/4 Brine Dragon child for whatever reason, or could this be part of a scheme to ascend to True Dragonhood like some of us initially believed?
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Maybe she just wants a kid, but doesn't want to be tied to anyone romantically? I don't know how regular dragons do it, but I can't imagine that they're fans of cohabitating the way humans do. That kind of seems like it'd end in domestic violence visible from orbit.

Personality factors + draconic influence could easily lead someone of means who wants a child to go for a "solution" that doesn't involve keeping the other parent around.

Given how little we know of her motives, we might as well consider some possibilities other than an evil plan on her part.
 
BronzeTongue said:
Maybe she just wants a kid, but doesn't want to be tied to anyone romantically? I don't know how regular dragons do it, but I can't imagine that they're fans of cohabitating the way humans do. That kind of seems like it'd end in domestic violence visible from orbit.

Personality factors + draconic influence could easily lead someone of means who wants a child to go for a "solution" that doesn't involve keeping the other parent around.

Given how little we know of her motives, we might as well consider some possibilities other than an evil plan on her part.
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I wasn't suggesting evil plans on her part. There are perfectly benign reasons she could want a child. Of course the question is if she actually wants a child at all or if she has clinical reasons for prying into Relath's sex life.

Speaking of which, @DragonParadox, how many halfdragon children does he have among his ten wives and his Djinn lover?
 
BronzeTongue said:
Maybe she just wants a kid, but doesn't want to be tied to anyone romantically? I don't know how regular dragons do it, but I can't imagine that they're fans of cohabitating the way humans do. That kind of seems like it'd end in domestic violence visible from orbit.

Personality factors + draconic influence could easily lead someone of means who wants a child to go for a "solution" that doesn't involve keeping the other parent around.

Given how little we know of her motives, we might as well consider some possibilities other than an evil plan on her part.
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It could be as DP says, and, unlike Dragons on Water secure in their positions and disregarding of "feeble mortal feelings" doesn't feel she would enjoy being the plaything or even gaming with young dragons there, whereas Relath seems more considerate (or at least knows how to pretend to be so whereas other dragons wouldn't bother because of towering ego).

But yeah I mean, it's never simple, is it? It could be that she thinks he's hot and also easy to squeeze research grants out of for her favor. It could be a scheme to body-snatch her more dragon-y children.

Who could say?
 
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Lots more votes needed, guys
Adhoc vote count started by egoo on Oct 20, 2019 at 10:01 AM, finished with 58 posts and 5 votes.
  • [X] Buy 3,000 Aberration/Psionics Detection Pearls. Cost: 150,000
    [X] Try to discover if her interest in Relath is indeed more than what meets the eye
    -[X] If Viserys judges Wavespinner's goals benign, he will use her interest in Relath to get her to enter our service.
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[X] Goldfish

Do they have any other unique stuff like the Pearl's? Special magic items specialized like this? And can we buy the method for making this?

Something like this would usually be a secret but given the political nature of this plane the only way every group would have it is if the method was sealable and in a war there would be incentive to buy and sell it.

Check for Protection from Abberation maybe? Whatever version DP decides on.
 
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