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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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[X] Buy 3,000 Aberration/Psionics Detection Pearls. Cost: 150,000
[X] Try to discover if her interest in Relath is indeed more than what meets the eye
-[X] If Viserys judges Wavespinner's goals benign, he will use her interest in Relath to get her to enter our service.
 
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And so begins a new chapter of Relath's life as a Brine Dragon Gigolo.

Relath: "Wait a moment...So you mean mortal women will contribute to my hoard if I mate with them? Really? Have you told any other Dragons about this?"
 
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DragonParadox said:
From what Viserys sees at least somewhat yes.
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...something is not right here.

This woman is tickling my 'danger sense'.

What if the reason she wanted Relath to marry/copulate/whatever with her is to use the body of that union to create an army or a poison that which could kill Brine Dragons? Highly unlikely, but if so why did she target Relath (our vassal) in the first place?!

Something is not right.
 
DragonParadox said:
Well you could vote and argue against it then, that is rather the point of a quest format. I would welcome the debate.
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The thread seems keen on a spending roll, so I won't bother debating about it. The numbers though, Shesh!

But mostly my lessened participation is due to binge reading this story: Metaworld Chronicles. It's magic system and setting is D&D inspired, and a bit Xianxia. Makes me want to do an omake once I finish reading.
 
Takesis said:
The thread seems keen on a spending roll, so I won't bother debating about it. The numbers though, Shesh!

But mostly my lessened participation is due to binge reading this story: Metaworld Chronicles. It's magic system and setting is D&D inspired, and a bit Xianxia. Makes me want to do an omake once I finish reading.
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I started reading that one last month. Used most of my vacation a few weeks ago to catch up on it. The D&D mechanics are recognizable, but heavily modified. It would make for a very interesting variant game system, IMO.
 
Jack vile Ripper said:
...something is not right here.

This woman is tickling my 'danger sense'.

What if the reason she wanted Relath to marry/copulate/whatever with her is to use the body of that union to create an army or a poison that which could kill Brine Dragons? Highly unlikely, but if so why did she target Relath (our vassal) in the first place?!

Something is not right.
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Well it could be that. Or she could just want to fuck a dragon.

There are freaks in the deeps as well in the streets.

That being said a little paranoia never hurt anyone, well anyone we ever cared about at any rate.
 
@DragonParadox And Rhaella's concerns are, to be blunt and from the outset, wrong. Relath's succession isn't bound by hereditary means in the first place. That was a key component of a Governor's role--they're viceroy positions that can be assigned (or tacitly revoked though obviously not lightly) at the choosing of the Crown upon death or willing resignation.

Edit: To be clear you don't need to change anything about the update, as far as Rhaella's concerned this is just not the way you do things because feudalism, but we've got a lot of duality to our rule and our Crown authority rating, if it had a score, would basically be really fucking high, which is really not the case in feudalism most of the time.
 
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Crake said:
@DragonParadox And Rhaella's concerns are, to be blunt and from the outset, wrong. Relath's succession isn't bound by hereditary means in the first place. That was a key component of a Governor's role--they're viceroy positions that can be assigned (or tacitly revoked though obviously not lightly) at the choosing of the Crown upon death or willing resignation.

Edit: To be clear you don't need to change anything about the update, as far as Rhaella's concerned this is just not the way you do things because feudalism, but we've got a lot of duality to our rule and our Crown authority rating, if it had a score, would basically be really fucking high, which is really not the case in feudalism most of the time.
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I'm really glad you noticed this. This is a bit of a spoiler, but given how many times you guys have been in Rhaella's head in interludes I think it's fair to give it:

She is only slightly concerned about Relath's succession, but that is the only part of her issues she feels comfortable bringing before Viserys, the other part is concern over the kinds of lives those women live, bound with oaths of fealty and supposedly of love to such a mighty and strange being.
 
DragonParadox said:
She is only slightly concerned about Relath's succession, but that is the only part of her issues she feels comfortable bringing before Viserys, the other part is concern over the kinds of lives those women live, bound with oaths of fealty and supposedly of love to such a mighty and strange being.
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*sigh*

The pains of her old life has yet to subside...?

Goddammit Aerys.
 
Goldfish said:
[X] Buy 3,000 Aberration/Psionics Detection Pearls. Cost: 150,000
[X] Try to discover if her interest in Relath is indeed more than what meets the eye
-[X] If Viserys judges Wavespinner's goals benign, he will use her interest in Relath to get her to enter your service
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-[] Explain that while many of the current laws regarding Succession will be grandfathered in due to Westeros not being as malleable to legislation regarding that subject as the East, and the East having a few stand-out cases mostly in regards to underdeveloped regions that would not be productive without generational guidance regardless, that by and large you plan on rewarding different vassals not with larger grants or land, but instead pieces that you can shuffle around through the long ages.
-[] Further, explain that Relath is a viceroy, and while he holds to his oaths and provides just rule to those within his remit, that is not a position likely to ever shift. And if it did, it would be due to Relath's willing (cue scoff) resignation or death beyond any and all recall.
-[] So quite frankly if she (Wavespinner) is only seeking to place part of her clutch on the Throne of Tolos, she will likely leave quite disappointed. And it's so far from a concern even a long-lived sorcerer would have about a dragon liable to live thousands of years so long as his overlord holds him in favor that it wouldn't be worth scheming over anyway.
 
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DragonParadox said:
I'm really glad you noticed this. This is a bit of a spoiler, but given how many times you guys have been in Rhaella's head in interludes I think it's fair to give it:

She is only slightly concerned about Relath's succession, but that is the only part of her issues she feels comfortable bringing before Viserys, the other part is concern over the kinds of lives those women live, bound with oaths of fealty and supposedly of love to such a mighty and strange being.
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That's valid but honestly I think that this should be a blindspot of Viserys unless Rhaella brings it up. In Viserys' eye, he's surrounded by powerful, strong-willed women and can't conceive of a notion where one might want to meekly be chained down against their will when they have all the means to rise above their current circumstances (both the law and interpersonal issues being in their favor). Relath has these families by the balls due to hierarchy and simple economics, not marriage ties. He could let them quietly retire to their families or provide them with a stipend if Tolos did not suit them. His rule is secure now.

I just don't see him understanding someone deceiving themselves into thinking they have no choice when he has made choice possible for everyone to live the lives they wish to through peaceable means.

Especially since Wavespinner is a high level sorcerer. Agency at that point is basically limitless.
 
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Crake said:
-[] Explain that while many of the current laws regarding Succession will be grandfathered in due to Westeros not being as malleable to legislation regarding that subject as the East, and the East having a few stand-out cases mostly in regards to underdeveloped regions that would not be productive without generational guidance regardless, that by and large you plan on rewarding different vassals not with larger grants or land, but instead pieces that you can shuffle around through the long ages.
-[] Further, explain that Relath is a viceroy, and while he holds to his oaths and provides just rule to those within his remit, that is not a position likely to ever shift. And if it did, it would be due to Relath's willing (cue scoff) resignation or death beyond any and all recall.
-[] So quite frankly if she (Wavespinner) is only seeking to place part of her clutch on the Throne of Tolos, she will likely leave quite disappointed. And it's so far from a concern even a long-lived sorcerer would have about a dragon liable to live thousands of years so long as his overlord holds him in favor that it wouldn't be worth scheming over anyway.
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Added.
 
Crake said:
That's valid but honestly I think that this should be a blindspot of Viserys unless Rhaella brings it up. In Viserys' eye, he's surrounded by powerful, strong-willed women and can't conceive of a notion where one might want to meekly be chained down against their will when they have all the means to rise above their current circumstances (both the law and interpersonal issues being in their favor). Relath has these families by the balls due to hierarchy and simple economics, not marriage ties. He could let them quietly retire to their families or provide them with a stipend if Tolos did not suit them. His rule is secure now.

I just don't see him understanding someone deceiving themselves into thinking they have no choice when he has made choice possible for everyone to live the lives they wish to through peaceable means.

Especially since Wavespinner is a high level sorcerer. Agency at that point is basically limitless.
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  1. It is a blind-spot to Viserys hence why I did noty have him realize it IC.
  2. Just to be clear though Rhaella's concerns are about the Tolosi wives who might get cheated on with a high level mage, not about said high level mage.
 
I wonder if Wavespinner is just trying for a different route to full dragonhood? She might want to produce a viable offspring between herself, who is presumably a Half Brine Dragon and Relath, a true Brine Dragon. According to magical D&D Dragon genetics (which don't gotta explain shit!), that would produce a 3/4 Brine Dragon. She could then in turn soul transfer herself into the child, thereby enhancing her Dragonocity.

Rinse and repeat a few times and she might end up so close to full blooded Brine Dragon that the difference doesn't matter.
 
DragonParadox said:
  1. It is a blind-spot to Viserys hence why I did noty have him realize it IC.
  2. Just to be clear though Rhaella's concerns are about the Tolosi wives who might get cheated on with a high level mage, not about said high level mage.
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None of these people married Relath willingly... at best they grew to accept, maybe even fall into with a will, their circumstances.

Viserys might feel compassion for them in that, but he wouldn't exactly worry over something that was arranged in the first place not to place them in positions of any great influence other than "hostage to your good behavior". Their happiness is also largely secondary to the stability of Tolos if she's thinking in terms of someone raised in a feudal environment. Many women who's husbands die in a couple of decades despite being much older in Relath's case have even less personal freedom even after the fact than these women do at present thanks to his laws.
 
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Goldfish said:
I wonder if Wavespinner is just trying for a different route to full dragonhood? She might want to produce a viable offspring between herself, who is presumably a Half Brine Dragon and Relath, a true Brine Dragon. According to magical D&D Dragon genetics (which don't gotta explain shit!), that would produce a 3/4 Brine Dragon. She could then in turn soul transfer herself into the child, thereby enhancing her Dragonocity.

Rinse and repeat a few times and she might end up so close to full blooded Brine Dragon that the difference doesn't matter.
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That's quite frankly insane. For a variety of reasons, and most of them actually have nothing to do with us.
 
Crake said:
None of these people married Relath willingly... at best they grew to accept, maybe even fall into with a will, their circumstances.

Viserys might feel compassion for them in that, but he wouldn't exactly worry over something that was arranged in the first place not to place them in positions of any great influence other than "hostage to your good behavior". Their happiness is also largely secondary to the stability of Tolos if she's thinking in terms of someone raised in a feudal environment. Many women who's husbands die in a couple of decades despite being much older in Relath's case have even less personal freedom even after the fact than these women do at present thanks to his laws.
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She knows all that hence why she has not said anything, but it does not stop her from being uncomfortable with the arrangement. As for Viserys he's too busy to even consider the matter that far.
 
@DragonParadox, what's Viserys' IC estimation that this is:
1. Part of a scheme to ascend to True Dragonhood somehow
2. She for whatever reason just needs a 3/4 Brine Dragon child
Because from reading the update I'm not sure she's interested romantically, but more clinically.
 
DragonParadox said:
She knows all that hence why she has not said anything, but it does not stop her from being uncomfortable with the arrangement. As for Viserys he's too busy to even consider the matter that far.
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I think if it's any consolation on an interpersonal (mother-son) level Viserys would agree that you should be faithful to those you love and should not have conflicts of interest in the arena of love or marriage.

But Relath is a dragon, fundamentally has an inhuman perspective, and no one should seek to gain from him that which is impossible for him to conceive. His baseline strongest romantic feeling for another being is "strong fondness".
 
Crake said:
I think if it's any consolation on an interpersonal (mother-son) level Viserys would agree that you should be faithful to those you love and should not have conflicts of interest in the arena of love or marriage.

But Relath is a dragon, fundamentally has an inhuman perspective, and no one should seek to gain from him that which is impossible for him to conceive. His baseline strongest romantic feeling for another being is "strong fondness".
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@DragonParadox, isn't Rhaella pretty damn late to this parade? Relath has long since openly been pursuing other women in addition to his harem, including that Djinn windbow who he apparently successfully romanced.
 
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