Well, I think we can all agree that series of rolls proves it really was a major risk to Tell and I hope those who voted in favor will reconsider next time. Just because we got lucky once is no reason to keep taking risks that really gain nothing.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Sinsystems
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The Light everything on fire includes using the rangers to help set the place on fire. Ideally I'd imagine they'd set the outskirts on fire while Mathilde sets the sides near the Citadel on fire thus resulting in a cage of fire that will consume the Greenskins.
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Dude, QM said not to start the argument again.
Imrix
Periodically Malevolent QM
Precisely. Dwarfs are usually perfectly happy to resolve grudges through payments of gold or deeds performed in their service, or other peaceful recompense. It's just... It's Warhammer. Most of the people they have grudges against aren't inclined to resolve things peacefully.
Do you have literally any hard evidence that this is the case? Examples of attempted greenskin pacificism, maybe?
Undead-Spaceman
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The only issue with this plan is that doppelganger doesn't affect our voice. We'd be relying on Mathilde doing her best orc impression which I don't feel would be sufficiently convincing.
I wonder, orcs being orcs, they've probably already set up team colors and banners to seperate each so what if we could impersonate an orc of a different camp and be seen burning stuff?
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They will probably assist, but Mathilde can use magic to skulk about and is also fully immune to fire (take a bath in lava, immune). Jury's out on smoke inhalation, but can easily enough fashion crude protections for that. Points at Light Everything on Fire plan.
You have taken this quote extremely out of context. It was the final part of a conversation on how we expected the difficulty to rise as the amount of shadow used for burning shadows increases. Notably the standard use is the equivalent of a large room which is a significantly smaller area than a sprawling greenskin city.
No one said it was impossible we know for a fact that Mathilde can in fact perform a massive burning shadows. However, expecting it be the same as a regular casting of burning shadows seems rather unlikely.
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I generally like your plan, but what gate? If you mean the gate to the Citadel, the way I understand things the dwarves want to enter the Citadel through the gate.
Or do you want Panoramia to block the gate after the Citadel is taken?
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[x] plan: It wuz Dem!
[X] Plan Go Commando
[X] Plan Burning Shadows
[X] Plan Go Commando
[X] Plan Burning Shadows
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Presumably that depends on how many people are left alive.
Omegahugger
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It's dubious canon, but IIRC Warhammer Online did feature Orcs who we never saw do anything other than buy and sell.
So there's precedence for orc merchants.
I dunno, we've just seen goblin farmers growing shrooms and squigs when we took Lhune.
They can make stuff and have their own sense of aesthetics.
A big part of the issue is that the Orc gods don't actually have a command angle. They just declare that being cunning and brutal are things they like. And the Waagh as we know it is less of a massive hivemind and more like the current mood in the air for the present unit of orcs.
But you won't see a pacifist orc because they tend to get killed or punched in line long before they meet anyone remotely open to the idea.
I always figured those exist for logistics reasons. The Waagh is meant to be fully self sufficient, so obviously someone has to do the necessary tasks. Squig rearing is basically raising beasts for combat as much as for food. Mushrooms are of course for food, though they may also supply poisons, and being part of the greenskin environment may have a hand in the wider life cycle of growing new greenskin combatants.
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pucflek
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As wizards age and grow in power with their training and straining of arcane might, their wind of power begins substituting part of their soul. IIRC this is one of the reasons why they might live longer., as they technically stop being properly human. Or i might be talking out of my ass, just repeating something i overheard on one discord somewhere.
As for Orcs, they were constructed as society of absolute warriors, with zero redeeming qualities that are not related to fighting some more, like being brave, or loyal (Da Immortulz and Grimgor come to mind). They have a society, a brutal one but it works, they can socialize, they even have rudimentary culture, they can form bonds that kind of resemble friendships (Gobbla and Skarshnik). But all they are is bent towards all-consuming war. Thats the beginning and the end of what they are. I personally don ´t think that any debate on what they happen to deserve or not will get us anywhere but to another threadlock.
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[X] Plan Light Everything On Fire And Kill Things
Mathilde: "It's a religious thing."
Bursar: *stares*
Mathilde: *smiles*
Mathilde: "It's a religious thing."
Bursar: *stares*
Mathilde: *smiles*
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Personally I think orks have a lot of personality. They just...
Love fighting. And don't care very much about dying.
Theyre like Vikings on drugs crossed with children.
It just sucks for everyone around them because of HOW they like living. Usually. Some orks are cool.
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But thats not really that much different from the human farmer is it? Not like most of them choose to farm, but farming makes food and wealth for them.
The Waagh doesn't need to enforce the Orc way of life magically.
Well no, it doesn't need to. Certainly we don't see orcs trying for many alternatives besides the normal life style. The ones well known are pirates and mercenaries, which could be argued to be a variant of the same. I guess the real question is, are orcs really so monolithic they never try? Or does any thought of trying get systematically squashed?
Seeing as how saying they're all like that and there are no outliers would be wrong, why not attribute it to a factor external to the mind of the individual?
Also, the difference between orc farmers and regular farmers is if all the army dies and only the farmers are left, they'll rebuild a new martial hierarchy in record time rather than try the things regular human farmers would to survive.
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Well actually that depends we know that some Orks are just born with the innate ability or know how to do certain tasks.
Like Meks and Pain Doks.
Like Meks and Pain Doks.
Sinsystems
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You are getting them mixed up with Orks from 40K again.
Imrix
Periodically Malevolent QM
Again, hard evidence? This isn't 40k. We don't actually know how or why orks were created in fantasy - heck, it's not even certain they reproduce through spores, although clearly BoneyM is going with that. It's entirely possible that some orks do desire or even practice a peaceful existence, and we just don't hear about it because it's Warhammer, that kind of thing isn't in the narrative focus for a wargame, action RPG or heroic fantasy novels.
pucflek
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When i say constructed, i don ´t mean how they are born in-universe. I mean how they come off and are written off as in source materials.