Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- Location
- Chicago
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- She/They
Basically the way a human thinking about a chaos cult would assume they were set up? Sounds plausible.
I'm not sure about other people, but the reason I'm not saying anything is that I'm not about to admit to being (semi-)possed by an Ork to dwarfs (especially Kragg the Grim). As far as I'm concerned, pretty much everything else is just a tiny side issue. It would take an imminnet and grave threat to not keep my mouth shut about that.
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- Location
- Brazil
Sadly that is not a possibilitie, Ranald is basicaly the anti dwarf and keeping hidden is bassicaly his entire thing, to the point ast time we made a shrine to him it was designed so we could always say it was just a generic shrine, so there is no way this is working here.
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- Germany
The Dwarves know that there is a group of evil Dwarves hanging out far away who are probably doing some nebulous evil things. This is quite different from knowing that they have created a new, particularly dangerous breed of Orcs that are threatening the Dwarf holds.
On the other hand, if the Chaos Dwarves have become an active threat, the Dwarves should probably know.
On the third hand, the Dwarves can't really do anything about it without incurring unacceptable losses.
On the fourth hand, Mathilde doesn't know that.
Aaagh, I don't know how to vote.
- Location
- some computer lab
we do not know how long it took to develop the black orcs, their process could just be really slow.
Kragg seems to be suspicious of us, so I think coming clean would help keep him from assuming something even worse.
- Location
- Melbourne, Australia
- Pronouns
- She/They
[X] Tell Belegar and Kragg.
[X] Being maudlin
[X] Yes to Shenanigans
[X] More drinking
[X] Drinking
[X] Being maudlin
[X] Yes to Shenanigans
[X] More drinking
[X] Drinking
- Location
- United States of America, Michigan
Kragg was suspicious of us from the moment he saw us and he'll be suspicious of us even after telling him literally everything. In fact, he's likely to get even more suspicious of us even if we come clean since I doubt even he assumed we got possessed by Mork.
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- Germany
We are voting to perform a religious service to Ranald. I don't think keeping hidden is an option.
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- Earth
Wait a minute. Wasn't there something about having to be careful when quoting people's votes because if you left the X inside the vote tally counted their vote as if it was yours since their vote was inside your post? Did you just vote without meaning to?
Normally I might agree with you. But this was a victory against Gork and Mork. Which might make a difference.
[X] Tell Belegar and Kragg.
[X] 'Make sure the ale hasn't gone bad' with Skaroki
[X] 'Make sure the ale hasn't gone bad' with Skaroki
- Location
- Upon the back of the Great A'Tuin
This is just asking for the obvious third option:
The coin lands exactly on its side and Mathilde has to make up her own mind.
chocolote12
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That was fixed a long while ago. I quote voters all the time without anything getting messed up.
- Location
- some computer lab
[X] Tell Belegar and Kragg.
[X] Cook with Panoramia and Titus
[X] 'Make sure the ale hasn't gone bad' with Skaroki
[X] Hold a Ranaldan religious service
[X] Valayan religious service
[X] Gambling
[X] Listening to Longbeards grumble
[X] Yes to Shenanigans
can't believe I forgot to change my original vote to tell belegar and Kragg, i'm an idiot.
[X] Cook with Panoramia and Titus
[X] 'Make sure the ale hasn't gone bad' with Skaroki
[X] Hold a Ranaldan religious service
[X] Valayan religious service
[X] Gambling
[X] Listening to Longbeards grumble
[X] Yes to Shenanigans
can't believe I forgot to change my original vote to tell belegar and Kragg, i'm an idiot.
No, it doesn't.
Gork/Mork schism, Black Orc involvement and origins, what little she gathered of Chaos Dwarves. Information given without a source is not uncommon in the Grey College. Compartmentalisation and need-to-know.
The effect seen is the combination of Kragg and the mercenaries both critting.
NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
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Mathilde also doesn't know the chaos dwarves are in the darklands or that they're an entire civilization
Kings and runelords don't respect spymasters without discretion.*
Nor master mages without discretion.
Nor supposed master mages who are just winging the magic in their big successes.**
Nor known associates of Ranald.
Nor people who've been intimate with Mork.
It's not a matter of culpability or fairness - these are simply undesirable traits in a member of the council of war. Logically they must know that Mathilde must have some of them to some degree but that's not the same as her flat out telling them. They can't unhear that and once they have they have to put less weight on her advice, tell her less, allow her less independence of action and so on.
That's without getting into the really painful stuff. OOC we do know that the Dawi are well aware of the existence of the Dawi Zharr and that it's an incredibly touchy subject. They may or may not suspect the link between them and the black orks already but either way it's old backstory that offers nothing to exploit for the expedition. Why stick our face in a bear trap with no bait.
*Part of the job of an advisor is to act as a filter so the boss is not overloaded with information they can't use. This is especially the case with intelligence roles. Knowing what to pass up which chain and what not to is a core skill.
**We could claim that getting Ranald to steal unwanted magic is an established technique but that risks putting us (or future grey wizards) on the spot to replicate the trick. I can't see it ending well.
Nor master mages without discretion.
Nor supposed master mages who are just winging the magic in their big successes.**
Nor known associates of Ranald.
Nor people who've been intimate with Mork.
It's not a matter of culpability or fairness - these are simply undesirable traits in a member of the council of war. Logically they must know that Mathilde must have some of them to some degree but that's not the same as her flat out telling them. They can't unhear that and once they have they have to put less weight on her advice, tell her less, allow her less independence of action and so on.
That's without getting into the really painful stuff. OOC we do know that the Dawi are well aware of the existence of the Dawi Zharr and that it's an incredibly touchy subject. They may or may not suspect the link between them and the black orks already but either way it's old backstory that offers nothing to exploit for the expedition. Why stick our face in a bear trap with no bait.
*Part of the job of an advisor is to act as a filter so the boss is not overloaded with information they can't use. This is especially the case with intelligence roles. Knowing what to pass up which chain and what not to is a core skill.
**We could claim that getting Ranald to steal unwanted magic is an established technique but that risks putting us (or future grey wizards) on the spot to replicate the trick. I can't see it ending well.
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- Location
- Scotland
[X] Tell Belegar and Kragg
[X] Yes to Shenanigans
[X] Cook with Panoramia and Titus
[X] 'Make sure the ale hasn't gone bad' with Johann
[X] Listening to Longbeards grumble
[X] Hold a Ranaldan religious service
[X ] Telling war stories
[X] Yes to Shenanigans
[X] Cook with Panoramia and Titus
[X] 'Make sure the ale hasn't gone bad' with Johann
[X] Listening to Longbeards grumble
[X] Hold a Ranaldan religious service
[X ] Telling war stories
- Location
- Brazil
Okay let me clarify, the idea that evil sorcerers are developing a new kind of monster and that merits urgent response doesn't have as much impact when you realize they all tend to do that all the time and we already have one of the best examples of that right on our dorstep.
This is more a reason on why we shouldn't tell, because the idea dawi would go to dedicate themselves to stop this is one the biggest problems, since they inability to let things go and focus on one thing at a time is what is slowly bleeding them dry from a thoushand cuts.
It is religious service to Ranald, if we couldn't keep it hidden we would be doing it wrong.
Care to elaborate ? I just can't start to see how a shrine to Ranald would even work.
- Location
- Philippines
It does concern them, it's a matter of trust, vital information on how Mathilde gave Mork a black eye letalone survive, if Kragg drew the wrong conclusion by underestimating, Mork or to be more specific overestimating himself and his craft after all if Mathilde a mere human witch manages to repel and weaken Mork, than a dwarf who is supposedly better can do it too.
Except the truth is Mathilde didn't repel it by herself, she prayed to her God to save her, so in theory the best way to survive a enemy gods attention besides, obeying it or not drawing it's attention in the first place is to pray to your own God, even then, theres a possibility your God either can't help you , and even if he does, he/she (The patron God) will likely risk injury or death from fighting the enemy God. This is important information, and could prevent the dwarves from overestimating themselves if they know Mathilde, only survived due to Ranald's protection, plus Kragg is already suspicious and telling both Belegar and Kragg will earn their trust and possibly allow Mathilde to expand Ranald's reach within this area.
Mathilde also has to decide how much to tell her superiors the grey college, and withholding information is bad regarding Mork and Ranald's status then there is the issue if her soul's safety, plus her college superiors will likely want to know how Mathilde survive her experience.
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