Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

Alratan · Sep 23, 2019

DragonParadox said:
I think the problem with Wulfhart was that he was not very interesting to talk to the first time however useful cultivating him might be and people are as likely to vote for fun scenes as for long turn gains if not more so.

People should look on the bright side that at least that means people won't try to waifu/husbando him. Same with the dwarves. Also how many Wizard worshippers of Ranald would be good friends with a High Priest of Ulric? That's worth some points right there.

VoidZero · Sep 23, 2019

[X] Play with a giant wolf

[X] Yes to Shenanigans

WanderingEye · Sep 23, 2019

[X] Tell Belegar and Kragg.
[X] Join the hunting with Esbern and Seija
[X] Cook with Panoramia and Titus

[X] Eating
[X] Drinking
[X] Play with a giant wolf

[X] Yes to Shenanigans

Reasoning

It's party yo, drinking, eating and playing with a wolf seems like a good combination.
besides I want to see Mathilde riding giant wolf while drunk, swinging sword in one hand and piece of giant meat in other charging at bewildered
greenskins
also what will happen to Mathilde's shadow? can it go drunk too? only one way to find out!

DragonParadox · Sep 23, 2019

[x] Tell Belegar and Kragg

[X] Join the hunting with Ruprecht Wulfhart

Adding Wolfhart in. I don't really have a lot of strong oppinions on the rest of the vote though.

NotteBoy97 · Sep 23, 2019

[X] Remain silent.
I really don't see the point of telling anyone about Ranald stealing power. In fact, I foresee Kragg being even more disappointed with us if we tell him since no matter what we were super reckless and he will probably flatly tell us we should had trusted in his runes instead.

[X] Join the hunting with Maximilian
I feel we should check up on Max both to see what happened with the dwarves and also to get his perspective on the Stirland archers.

[X] Cook with Panoramia and Titus
I like Panoramia most out of our journeymanlings and the halflings are cool in my book.

[X] Gambling
[X] Hold a Ranaldan religious service
Let's honor Ranald for what he just did

[X] Drinking
[X] Yes to Shenanigans

Finally let's drink and have some shenanigans

primemountain · Sep 23, 2019

natruska said:
Can someone explain to me why there's this universal consensus on picking Gambling? It's in like, 80 percent of the votes cast so far and I just don't see the appeal. Sure, Ranald is the god of gamblers, but I don't think right after that giant heist is the right time to be asking for his favor or bothering him with our respects. I think he's pretty good with all the god-power we gave him and we can leave him alone for two seconds. And (while Boney can make a good scene out of anything) I just don't see much of interest in playing dice with random people compared to all of the other options. If it's for synergy with holding a religious ceremony for him, there's a much better synergy in sad drunk Mathilde. Pick that. Just do it. C'mon.

It's saying thanks. Mat isn't a priest. She might try and promote him to her underlings, but randoms? Nah. But gambling is a form of prayer for Ranaldians. Saying thanks. For having our back. He made out like a bandit, but he was literally gambling with his assistance. So we pray. That's what gambling is, in this vote. It's why everyone is voting for it.

notanautomaton · Sep 23, 2019

[X] Remain silent.
[X] Gambling
[X] Hold a Ranaldan religious service
[X] Yes to Shenanigans

chocolote12 · Sep 23, 2019

natruska said:
Can someone explain to me why there's this universal consensus on picking Gambling? It's in like, 80 percent of the votes cast so far and I just don't see the appeal. Sure, Ranald is the god of gamblers, but I don't think right after that giant heist is the right time to be asking for his favor or bothering him with our respects. I think he's pretty good with all the god-power we gave him and we can leave him alone for two seconds. And (while Boney can make a good scene out of anything) I just don't see much of interest in playing dice with random people compared to all of the other options. If it's for synergy with holding a religious ceremony for him, there's a much better synergy in sad drunk Mathilde. Pick that. Just do it. C'mon.

As a general rule, I don't think you can bother a god with real respect. Fake stuff, or lip service, yeah, but if you mean it they'd just be happy you're devoted.

Plus, Ranald was as instrumental to our victory as everybody else partying, so including him in the party is very much a courteous gesture; one of the benefits of being a god is that you can relax with your new pile of loot at the same time as you attend a victory party secretly being dedicated to your yoinking of it.

MooseHowl · Sep 23, 2019

Edited:
[X] Remain silent.
18 pages of discussion later, I no longer care.

[ ] Tell Belegar and Kragg.

Ranald is a human ancestor, almost like some kind of Ancestor God. Sort of like that one guy who did a thing, I think his name was Sigmar, right? Spreading around knowledge of Mathilde's faith is a bad idea, but these two can absolutely be trusted to respect it; they might not respect his aspects, but they must respect the nature of his divinity, or they would not be dwarves.
And honestly, they deserve to know why we sort of maybe kind of helped trigger that Waaagh.

Might be interesting to let slip how the Empire looks down on Ranald for gaining divinity via Shallya while still venerating Sigmar, just to see if Kragg's scowl can descend clear past his chin and into his beard.
Ranald is a divine ancestor, and that should be respected.

[X] Cook with Panoramia and Titus
[X] 'Make sure the ale hasn't gone bad' with Johann

It would be good to reassure the Journeyfanling that we weren't mad at her, just concerned.
And when he's drunk is when Johann will most likely let slip his SINISTER PLAN. (dun dun dunnnn)

[X] Valayan religious service
[X] Gambling
[X] Hold a Ranaldan religious service

Oooh, a dwarven religious service? NEAT.

[X] Yes to Shenanigans

OF COURSE.

BoneyM said:
Could be, but the section on Living Ancestors seems to imply that old age is warded off by some cause or purpose that would otherwise have taken them before they reach 400+. Dwarf old age seems different to that of humans, as they can sense it coming with apparently perfect reliability and sort out their tomb and their bequeathments in advance. The two combined makes me think that Dwarvern death by old age is psychological rather than physiological.

...whoa.

That's a really fascinating idea to think about.

DragonParadox · Sep 23, 2019

NotteBoy97 said:
[X] Remain silent.
I really don't see the point of telling anyone about Ranald stealing power. In fact, I foresee Kragg being even more disappointed with us if we tell him since no matter what we were super reckless and he will probably flatly tell us we should had trusted in his runes instead.

Being a naturally suspicious old fart he would likely believe something worse if we don't tell him.

Alratan · Sep 23, 2019

MooseHowl said:
It would be good to reassure the Journeyfanling that we weren't mad at her, just concerned.

Mathilde should have been mad at her, and Panoramia should know that she very severely screwed up and to never consider doing it again. She didn't just risk herself, she risked countless other people with her recklessness. If it was just her she risked Mathilde could be limited to concerned, but she did the equivilent of flying a loaded passenger jet while high as a kite and drunk as a lord. It was serious business.

This isn't the kind of lecture you forget about an hour or two later and then have a drink. This is the kind of thing where Panoramia should be sitting out the party and spending some time in silent contemplation of how things could so easily have gone wrong and how she should never risk her comrades lives and souls like that again. She literally risked having a bunch of halflings' souls dragged screaming into the warp to be tortured eternally for the distant amusement of the thirsting gods.

LockedMind · Sep 23, 2019

BoneyM said:
Stone and Steel says 'Dwarfs live for around 200 years, as a rule', and it goes on to talk about how rare anyone older than that is.

DiceOfStupidity said:
It's 4ed rather than 2'nd, but it states straight: "Average natural lifespans are around 60 for a Human, 120 for Halflings, and over 200 for a Dwarf".

BoneyM said:
Could be, but the section on Living Ancestors seems to imply that old age is warded off by some cause or purpose that would otherwise have taken them before they reach 400+. Dwarf old age seems different to that of humans, as they can sense it coming with apparently perfect reliability and sort out their tomb and their bequeathments in advance. The two combined makes me think that Dwarvern death by old age is psychological rather than physiological.

4E section on lifespan says exactly what @DiceOfStupidity cited, but there is also a section about their age in the general description of a race:

While not as ageless as the near-immortal Elves, Dwarfs can live for many centuries. Indeed, some say that as long as a Dwarf has a purpose, they will not die unless struck down in battle, such is the strength of their conviction.

which confirms that dwarfs basically die of ennui.

HavocKeeper · Sep 23, 2019

DragonParadox said:
Being a naturally suspicious old fart he would likely believe something worse if we don't tell him.

He seemed to buy our story in the meeting:

BoneyM said:
The looks you receive are sceptical, but Kragg's brow is crinkled in thought, and he speaks up after a moment. "It's not impossible," he concludes. "Carelessness and impetuousness are part of their nature, and there was a great deal of energy active in Karag Nar."

Damian45 · Sep 23, 2019

[X] Tell Belegar and Kragg.
[X] Join the hunting with Maximilian
[X] 'Make sure the ale hasn't gone bad' with Johann

[X] Drinking
[X] Telling war stories
[X] Being maudlin

[X] Yes to Shenanigans

EVA-Saiyajin · Sep 23, 2019

Alratan said:
Mathilde should have been mad at her, and Panoramia should know that she very severely screwed up and to never consider doing it again. She didn't just risk herself, she risked countless other people with her reckless other people with her idiocy. If it was just her she risked Mathilde could be limited to concerned, but she did the equivilent of flying a loaded passenger jet while high as a kite and drunk as a lord. It was serious business.

This isn't the kind of lecture you forget about an hour or two later and then have a drink. THis is the kind of thing where Panoramia shoudl be sitting out the party and spending some time in silent contemplation of how things went wrong and how she should never risk her comrades lives and souls like that again.

In this I agree. Boney himself compared the importance of stamina and energy when casting in battle to be as important as stamina and focus when juggling radioactive chainsaws.

thefoolswriter · Sep 23, 2019

[X] Tell Belegar and Kragg.
[X] Join the hunting with Maximilian
[X] 'Make sure the ale hasn't gone bad' with Johann

[X] Drinking
[X] Telling war stories
[X] Being maudlin

[X] Yes to Shenanigans

MooseHowl · Sep 23, 2019

Alratan said:
Mathilde should have been mad at her, and Panoramia should know that she very severely screwed up and to never consider doing it again. She didn't just risk herself, she risked countless other people with her reckless other people with her idiocy. If it was just her she risked Mathilde could be limited to concerned, but she did the equivilent of flying a loaded passenger jet while high as a kite and drunk as a lord. It was serious business.

This isn't the kind of lecture you forget about an hour or two later and then have a drink. THis is the kind of thing where Panoramia shoudl be sitting out the party and spending some time in silent contemplation of how things went wrong and how she should never risk her comrades lives and souls like that again.

Getting mad at someone for not having known something beforehand is never a good idea, not ever.

She's a green wizard in more ways than one. Panoramia could have easily taken the criticism as criticism of her self and her own efforts to improve herself, rather than critique and exposure of the parts of her education that were unexpectedly lacking.

Young people interpret things in that way. Frequently.

Karnax626 · Sep 23, 2019

[X] Remain silent.

[X] Join the hunting with Maximilian

[X] Cook with Karak Izor
[X] Cook with Clan Angrund

[X] 'Make sure the ale hasn't gone bad' with Skaroki
[X] 'Make sure the ale hasn't gone bad' with Durin

[X] Telling war stories
[X] Gambling
[X] Hold a Ranaldan religious service

[X] Yes to Shenanigans

Alliterate said:
And some of Mathildes personal history and issues with parents showing up here? On top of the family farm reminders, I can see how perhaps that may have made her a little rougher than she'd intended:

I was under the impression it was referring to the idea that if they had given her as an apprentice to her parents, then the latter could quite easily have gone easy on Panoramia due to their relationship.

DragonParadox · Sep 23, 2019

MooseHowl said:
Getting mad at someone for not having known something beforehand is never a good idea, not ever.

Unnless her teachers were complete idiots who should be removed from all positions of power for the safety of those around them Panoramia had to know the risks of miscasting. She may have failed to grasp the full gravity on an emotional level, but she had to have studied them in abstract.

Jarrik32 · Sep 23, 2019

BoneyM said:
- On the topic of disclosure: You are not Ranald's only friend. He has Priests, some of those Priests are High Priests, and some of those High Priests attend the Grand Conclaves. If Ranald wishes it to be known that Mork is disadvantaged, he is able to make it so, and in ways that do not reveal your involvement.

Out of curiosity what sort of long term consequences are their likely to be for Gork and Mork after this debacle (if any)? As this is unlikely to be the first time that impulsiveness and being a pair of factitious gits has cost the two of them badly.

Alratan · Sep 23, 2019

MooseHowl said:
Getting mad at someone for not having known something beforehand is never a good idea, not ever.

She's a green wizard in more ways than one. Panoramia could have easily taken the criticism as criticism of her self and her own efforts to improve herself, rather than critique and exposure of the parts of her education that were unexpectedly lacking.

Young people interpret things in that way. Frequently.

I don't believe for a second that no one before Mathilde explained what Miscasts could do. I fully believe that she didn't take it on board and modify her behaviour, but if the Jade College was so incompetent as not to even tell its apprentices what Miscasts could do they'd be blowing up into suddenly!daemons often enough that the other Colleges would have intervened. That would all be on her.

If we actually believe that the Jade College is that grossly negligent then our first priority is to ride back to the Grey College so that our Patriarch can tell his peers and the Grand Patriarch and they can collectively decide how to place the Jades under special measures.

buli-buli · Sep 23, 2019

changing up my votes. *twice edited*

[X] Join the hunting with Maximilian
[X] Cook with Panoramia and Titus
[X] 'Make sure the ale hasn't gone bad' with Skaroki

[X] Gambling
[X] Play with a giant wolf
[X] Hold a Ranaldan religious service
[X] Help move the Karag Nar hoard

[X] Yes to Shenanigans

Dutchman · Sep 23, 2019

[X] Remain silent.

[X] Join the hunting with Maximilian
[X] 'Make sure the ale hasn't gone bad' with Skaroki

[X] Gambling
[X] Play with a giant wolf
[X] Hold a Ranaldan religious service
[X] Help move the Karag Nar hoard

[X] Yes to Shenanigans

MooseHowl · Sep 23, 2019

Alratan said:
I don't believe for a second that no one before Mathilde explained what Miscasts could do. I fully believe that she didn't take it on board and modify her behaviour, but if the Jade College was so incompetent as not to even tell its apprentices what Miscasts could do they'd be blowing up into suddenly!daemons often enough that the other Colleges would have intervened. That would all be on her.

That's fair if true, but a lot of harsh judgement based on speculation.

Even Mathilde speculated on the possibility that Pan could have been apprenticed to her own mother. Out of political BS most likely, but that would not have been Panoramia's fault.

Guile · Sep 23, 2019

Doctor Elsewhere said:
Set the story straight with the two that should know. Belegar because he is the leader of the expedition, and Kragg because he knows something is up, and we should make sure that he doesn't come to a negative conclusion.

So we should tell him and remove all doubt as to our stupidity (???)

[X] Cook with Panoramia and Titus

I wanna hang with Titus, but its been like less than 12 hours since the lecture. Let it sit for a bit.

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