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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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DragonParadox said:
  1. Braavos works mostly on an apprenticeship system, Volantis however has a school which I'm not entirely sure how to model, they are good but they go quality over quantity, so higher cap for much fewer mages in total
  2. I would like to add, hedge mages and such flowing in, though again I have to think of a system
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As we bring more Scholarium branches online, it would be neat if we could further upgrade the main branch in SD so that the minor branches handle lower level students and while it seeks to raise up the more gifted and powerful mages, helping them to break the level 5 cap.

How could we model something like that, @TalonofAnathrax?
 
Goldfish said:
As we bring more Scholarium branches online, it would be neat if we could further upgrade the main branch in SD so that the minor branches handle lower level students and while it seeks to raise up the more gifted and powerful mages, helping them to break the level 5 cap.

How could we model something like that, @TalonofAnathrax?
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I first want to confirm that @DragonParadox really is okay with breaking the level 5 cap through simple training, without any trauma or one-in-a-million bloodlines or anything. That's a weird change from previously established setting rules, but whatever.

If so, there's basically no need for anything special. The basic tables can handle being extended : they don't really keep track of where each mageling is studying. So we can just extend them and start giving magelings a chance to level beyond level 5, and it'll work out.

Goldfish said:
We will have a second Lya available next month, once Lya is able to spend a week in her lab. I was thinking of assigning that one to Research Actions, but asking her to teach instead would make sense.
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Incidentally, the way the system works means that there are a bunch of low-flying fruit we could brag to improve our teaching system :
  • GROW PHILOSOPHER'S TREES in every city where we have a Scholarum branch. Seriously, it's easy and we should do it.
  • Secondly, Tyrosh can take a pile more teachers. While having high-level teachers is nice, a pile of level 5 or 6 teachers would help increase baby mageling awakening rates A LOT. It's better to have Lya teach than some level 6 rando, but the difference isn't enormous if we aren't struggling against our Province Manpower cap. In Tyrosh, we can fit in 20 more teachers before reaching the cap.
  • The current system costs us a bunch of money if we push our number of teachers beyond a province's Manpower cap. @Crake, don't you know a bunch about how the Realm sheet works? How can we increase that cap? I didn't quite figure out where that number comes from.
    • We are very, very far from that Manpower cap in Tyrosh. I suggest putting any new teachers in the Tyroshi Scholarum, because we're already paying 50500 IM each month to keep the SD and Naathi Scholarums running over capacity (this isn't a fine, it's mitigation of the effect the comparatively oversized school is having on the city). Costs increase exponentially (it's [number of teachers beyond the cap squared times *500 IM], so I suggest increasing our Manpower and NOT increasing the number of teachers in SD.
    • This cost rule is annoying, but it felt necessary for game and setting balance. It also explains why the Shaitan don't create teacher-Constructs and teach millions of magelings all at once in giant schools or something.
Duesal said:
Recruiting from the Opaline Vault and Armun Kelisk is a good start.
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Is it though? Remember that our schools try to teach you when and how to use your magic, not just rituals and Knowledge ranks. Having teachers who know how life on this plane works seems important.
I mean, it'd work mechanically, but...
 
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TalonofAnathrax said:
I first want to confirm that @DragonParadox really is okay with breaking the level 5 cap through simple training, without any trauma or one-in-a-million bloodlines or anything. That's a weird change from previously established setting rules, but whatever.

If so, there's basically no need for anything special. The basic tables can handle being extended : they don't really keep track of where each mageling is studying. So we can just extend them and start giving magelings a chance to level beyond level 5, and it'll work out.


Incidentally, the way the system works means that there are a bunch of low-flying fruit we could brag to improve our teaching system :
  • GROW PHILOSOPHER'S TREES in every city where we have a Scholarum branch. Seriously, it's easy and we should do it.
  • Secondly, Tyrosh can take a pile more teachers. While having high-level teachers is nice, a pile of level 5 or 6 teachers would help increase baby mageling awakening rates A LOT. It's better to have Lya teach than some level 6 rando, but the difference isn't enormous if we aren't struggling against our Province Manpower cap. In Tyrosh, we can fit in 20 more teachers before reaching the cap.
  • The current system costs us a bunch of money if we push our number of teachers beyond a province's Manpower cap. @Crake, don't you know a bunch about how the Realm sheet works? How can we increase that cap? I didn't quite figure out where that number comes from.
    • We are very, very far from that Manpower cap in Tyrosh. I suggest putting any new teachers in the Tyroshi Scholarum, because we're already paying 50500 IM each month to keep the SD and Naathi Scholarums running over capacity (this isn't a fine, it's mitigation of the effect the comparatively oversized school is having on the city). Costs increase exponentially (it's [number of teachers beyond the cap squared times *500 IM], so I suggest increasing our Manpower and NOT increasing the number of teachers in SD.
    • This cost rule is annoying, but it felt necessary for game and setting balance. It also explains why the Shaitan don't create teacher-Constructs and teach millions of magelings all at once in giant schools or something.

Is it though? Remember that our schools try to teach you when and how to use your magic, not just rituals and Knowledge ranks. Having teachers who know how life on this plane works seems important.
I mean, it'd work mechanically, but...
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So what you're saying you want to do is, raise manpower in Sorcerer's Deep province?

That's a strategic action.

Increase Manpower
By starting a recruitment drive, you can increase the available manpower in a province. When this action completes, throw 1d4 and an additional 1d4 for every multiple of 500 of Population the province has. The sum of these dice gives the number of Population that is converted into Manpower. If the Manpower would exceed the cap, no Population above the cap will be converted.
Requirements: None
Action: Military
Progress Needed: 10
Cost: 20,000 IM
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TalonofAnathrax said:
Are you sure you want to raise the cap? Because we players will immediately dulplicate their methods for our level 5 magelings and start asking to raise the cap everywhere... And establishing a precedent that you can beat level 5 through simple training is a little weird.

Maybe the "quantity over quality" thing could simply be that they don't train Adepts but have a lot of Wizard and Sorcerer magelings? Or they could have some clever build for their magelings?
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That is probably more balanced thinking about it yes
 
Crake said:
Also, the "manpower 'cap'" I think you are referring to relates to this statistical ruling on the subject between Manpower and Population @TalonofAnathrax:
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No, I created a thing called a Manpower cap in the Scholarum rules. It's mostly there for balance. We can't have more teachers running than the province's Manpower : any more is considered destablising for the local economy and costs us money. We're rich so it isn't a huge issue, but it increases exponentially to prevent us from pushing the system to absurd heights.

DragonParadox said:
That is probably more balanced thinking about it yes
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Great. So I'll remind you to give them a bunch of magelings with PC classes and few with NPC classes when it's time to model the Mysterium and add them to the sheet.
AFAIK the Mysterium should have some powerful mages, a few who teach (I'll need to know if they have 12 ranks in Diplomacy or 6 ranks in Profession (teacher)), and a pile of students.
 
Duesal said:
The fluff behind it is that Bloodraven and the Old Gods guide the mages when they poke the tree and ask for aid in learning. More trees just splits his attention further, and ultimately doesn't seem worth it.
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Bloodraven might not have the time to guide them, but the old gods have plenty of time to do so, so they might work a little less well, but it would take a very large amount of Philosopher trees, before the old gods began to be overworked.
 
Vote closed. I'll try to leave you guys on a vote overnight
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Sep 21, 2019 at 4:26 PM, finished with 89 posts and 10 votes.
  • [X] "Lord Edric, I shall be in touch. Just remain strong and stand by your father just as you have done today. You do not need magic like your brother to look after your kin."
    -[X] Depending on response, in parting: "May fortune favor you in the face of whatever is to come."
    -[X] Leave some Raven constructs to watch over the area and the Keep, nothing too obvious, just watching the movements and if possible reporting to Inquisition agents in King's Landing's outskirts.
    --[X] Move along to the other Houses.
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TFW Targaryens are so rich it's easier to pay for a horrendously inefficient system for their niche higher education system than to recruit more people to run it.
 
Duesal said:
The fluff behind it is that Bloodraven and the Old Gods guide the mages when they poke the tree and ask for aid in learning. More trees just splits his attention further, and ultimately doesn't seem worth it.
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The OG do this, not Bloodraven. There are A LOT of Old Gods in there, and I'm sure a lot of them could do with some more socialization :D
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
Is it though? Remember that our schools try to teach you when and how to use your magic, not just rituals and Knowledge ranks. Having teachers who know how life on this plane works seems important.
I mean, it'd work mechanically, but...
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I don't see why you feel the need to impose a penalty for this. There is a strict curriculum in the Scholarum that no doubt drills into the students when and where they can use magic and when it isn't appropriate. The teachers being from another plane shouldn't change this. It's not like they wouldn't be learning our laws and regulations as part of living in Sorcerer's Deep.
 
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