Isn't it possible to lie to a brain spider if you roll high enough on Bluff?
Technically yes, but that's a DC 100.
Bluff

The character can implant a nonmagical suggestion in a target, display a false alignment, or disguise his or her surface thoughts.


Example Circumstance​
Sense Motive Modifier
Instill suggestion in target
+50​

Task​
DC
Display false alignment
70​
Disguise surface thoughts
100​
Instill Suggestion in Target

This is identical to the effect of the suggestion spell, except that it is nonmagical and lasts for only 10 minutes. It can be sensed as if it were an enchantment effect (Sense Motive DC 25).

Display False Alignment

The character can fool alignment-sensing effects by displaying a false alignment of his or her choice. Once set, a false alignment remains as long as the character remains conscious and awake. Setting or changing a false alignment requires a full-round action.

Disguise Surface Thoughts

The character can fool spells such as detect thoughts (or similar effects) by displaying false surface thoughts. While the character can't completely mask the presence of his or her thoughts, he or she can change his or her apparent Intelligence score (and thus the character's apparent mental strength) by as much as 10 points and can place any thought in his or her "surface thoughts" to be read by such spells or effects. If a character attempts to use Sense Motive to detect his or her surface thoughts (see the Sense Motive skill description), this becomes an opposed check (though any result lower than 100 automatically fails).
 
The Hollow Man

Twenty-Sixth Day of the Tenth Month 293 AC

Hogart is a pawn to be swept off the board later, you reason, yet you have dealt enough with fey trickery to worry that you may not find him after letting him out of sight, vanished into the depths of the Feywyld perhaps where you would not lightly tread. You dislike loose ends and so you veil Varys and bid her to collect unseen a hair or three from the tailor's head to keep him from being misplaced before he can be dealt with according to the full rigor of the law. No doubt the Lyseny lawmen shall have a most fascinating conversation with him.

Varys uncoils herself from around your neck and rises in lazy circles, contemplating Hogart as a hawk might a particularly plump rabbit, before descending with utmost care to snatch the asked for hair... yet her claws close only on empty air. Under your shocked gaze the figure of the merchant blurs, a glamor fallen to tatters to reveal, the fire spirit from the memory you had glimpsed, eyes bright as white-hot embers, a shark-toothed smile upon its stony lips.


Before you can even grasp the sheer impossibility of what you are seeing contrasted to the thoughts you had spied upon moments earlier, the strange fey speaks a single word pulling at the threads of time, perhaps to fight, most likely to flee. The signet ring upon your right hand flares more in instinct than in thought. The spell dies stillborn, though the effort of it leaves you gasping in effort. What is this being? Some favored herald of Ymeri come to work dark mischief in the world of men.

Thoros does not seem to be troubled by such questions even for a moment, his sword drawn and slashing towards the foe in an arc of golden light as he calls out to R'hllor for strength. The fey moves with uncanny swiftness, almost escaping the clinging threads of light, but the sword of dragon steel strikes true and the will of a god will not be lightly undone. The spirit is bound if only for a moment as Rina stretches out right hand to hurl a dozen knives of ice across the room, tearing though fabric splintering wood, while from her left flows a cold light blindingly bright. The enemy reels in pain, but there is no blood anywhere from blows of steel and or spell-forged ice.

Had it truly been harmed, or was it merely playing a game as it did the role of Hogart for some purpose you cannot yet guess at, you wonder, mind racing even as you speak your next spell, to bind or to slay.

What do you do?

[] Write in

OOC: Really short this time but it's the nature of unexpected combat. Whatever this is it lied to brain spider, not resisted the spell, but fed Viserys the fabrication that it was Hogart. It's not playing by the usual rules somehow. Not yet edited.
Here's an edited version of the chapter, @DragonParadox.
 
Well, that's a damn fine spy if I do say so myself. Bargain basement trash usually don't have the sheer chutzpah to lie to a brain spider spell.

Whatever this thing is Ymeri probably invested a good bit of time and effort on it, that's enough reason to break it.

It's just a shame we can't turn the little abomination. I doubt we'll make it turn from its god, and even if we could it's a backstabbing bastard.

I mean it's not like we don't already employ a wide variety of the same, but there's something to be said about using home grown non-gmo treacherous viziers. Imported just doesn't have the same flavor.
 
Okay, something seriously funky is going on here, ya'll. Viserys went into this with Greater Arcane Sight and True Seeing active, on top of the Brain Spider.

It's not impossible to beat the Will saving throw DC to resist Brain Spider, but a sign of either an extremely dangerous being, a very lucky one, or something akin to Mind Blank. Being able to provide false information to the spell, however, is worrisome.

True Seeing not being able to pierce a glamour is possible thanks to Cloak of Khyber, but Greater Arcane Sight should have seen that, since the Fey can't be protected by Mind Blank or Brain Spider would have failed completely.

I suspect this Fey creature is hopped up on Ymeri juice, upgraded with one or more templates and advanced HD, and possibility Mythic. Or nothing is as it seems and we're being directly manipulated by Ymeri in some manner.
 
Okay, something seriously funky is going on here, ya'll. Viserys went into this with Greater Arcane Sight and True Seeing active, on top of the Brain Spider.

It's not impossible to beat the Will saving throw DC to resist Brain Spider, but a sign of either an extremely dangerous being, a very lucky one, or something akin to Mind Blank. Being able to provide false information to the spell, however, is worrisome.

True Seeing not being able to pierce a glamour is possible thanks to Cloak of Khyber, but Greater Arcane Sight should have seen that, since the Fey can't be protected by Mind Blank or Brain Spider would have failed completely.

I suspect this Fey creature is hopped up on Ymeri juice, upgraded with one or more templates and advanced HD, and possibility Mythic. Or nothing is as it seems and we're being directly manipulated by Ymeri in some manner.
I mean we did hack her facebook account, it's reasonable to assume she invested in some VPN and anti spyware since then.
 
Please note that while immunity to 99% of damage types is possible, immunity to a Disjunction + Sacrophagus combo (use belt) is rather difficult.
 
Okay, something seriously funky is going on here, ya'll. Viserys went into this with Greater Arcane Sight and True Seeing active, on top of the Brain Spider.

It's not impossible to beat the Will saving throw DC to resist Brain Spider, but a sign of either an extremely dangerous being, a very lucky one, or something akin to Mind Blank. Being able to provide false information to the spell, however, is worrisome.

True Seeing not being able to pierce a glamour is possible thanks to Cloak of Khyber, but Greater Arcane Sight should have seen that, since the Fey can't be protected by Mind Blank or Brain Spider would have failed completely.

I suspect this Fey creature is hopped up on Ymeri juice, upgraded with one or more templates and advanced HD, and possibility Mythic. Or nothing is as it seems and we're being directly manipulated by Ymeri in some manner.

Grater arcane sight is 10 minutes/level and a relatively high level spell. It was not active walking into a tailor's shop since it did not seem worth it. Viserys just used detect magic to see the alarm spell.
 
Grater arcane sight is 10 minutes/level and a relatively high level spell. It was not active walking into a tailor's shop since it did not seem worth it. Viserys just used detect magic to see the alarm spell.
The vote specifically called for him to use Greater Arcane Sight and for Rina to cast True Seeing on him.

No need for a retcon or anything, we can just chalk it up to quasi Divine Fire Fey shenanigans, if you want.
 
So, a Swim speed of 90 is achievable with but these two then.
Nice.

Permanencing them with Diamond dust is going to be eeeeasy, and although dispelling is a problem...

Well, if I'm not wrong Viserys with buffs can cast these at ~24 CL.
Let em try dispell.

G'night all.
(Still gonna look for more)
@egoo, keep in mind that Freedom of Movement on our crown makes this mostly a non-issue for us.
 
Fortitude is the weakest save of the base creature, so Temporal Stasis? We don't often use spells like that, so it probably doesn't have a defense keyed to it. It's also entangled and sitting in arms reach, which will make hitting it easy.
 
Viserys has already used his Swift/Immediate action for the round when he Counterspelled the Fey's Celerity spell with his ring. Chain Dispel to strip it of any wards and Amber Sarcaphogus to capture it without needing to worry about Spell Resistance.

@TalonofAnathrax, Mage's Disjunction is a no-go here. Rina is standing too close and none of her gear would be protected from the effect of the spell. Wild Arcana'd Chain Dispel is almost as good thanks to Viserys' Eldritch Breach Mythic ability.

[X] Viserys uses Wild Arcana to cast a Chain Dispel spell targeting the Fey creature. He then expends a use of Mythic Power via Amazing Initiative to gain a non-spellcasting action to activate his Belt of Battle in order to Blood Wish an Amber Sarcaphogus spell against the Fey.
 
So, a Swim speed of 90 is achievable with but these two then.
Nice.

Permanencing them with Diamond dust is going to be eeeeasy, and although dispelling is a problem...

Well, if I'm not wrong Viserys with buffs can cast these at ~24 CL.
Let em try dispell.

G'night all.
(Still gonna look for more)
@egoo, keep in mind that Freedom of Movement on our crown makes this mostly a non-issue for us.
Viserys also has Heart of Water as a PoSK. That lasts for 1 hour/caster level and provides a Swim speed equal to your land speed. For Viserys, that's 60. It also allows one to breathe underwater and grants a nice +8 bonus to Swim skill checks.

That's more than enough underwater maneuverability, IMO, without having to resort to short duration spells or Permanency effects. When speed is of the essence, there are better spells which have already been linked.
 
He then expends a use of Mythic Power via Amazing Initiative to gain a non-spellcasting action to activate his Belt of Battle in order to Blood Wish an Amber Sarcaphogus spell against the Fey.

Action Economy/time-space continuum: *cries in a corner * :V

Just to be clear I do not mind the above or anything I just thought it deserved to be pointed out how you guys managed to get what is effectively a free celerity effect once per day
 
Action Economy/time-space continuum: *cries in a corner * :V

Just to be clear I do not mind the above or anything I just thought it deserved to be pointed out how you guys managed to get what is effectively a free celerity effect once per day
To be fair, it does require the confluence of Cheese + a relatively expensive magic item + Mythic Tier 2 or higher. :whistle:
 
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