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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Crake said:
Would have to confirm with @DragonParadox how ritual magic worked while magic was on the low-ebb, but animal sacrifice is like trying to squeeze water from a stone while its in full bloom now. So it would be worse than useless while it's gone.

And I believe ritual magic worked somewhat, but they were things like performing a complex rite for forty minutes to create a spark of mage-light. Sacrifice of inherently magical materials that maintain their enchantments even with low atmospheric ratings of magic in the world (like Valyrian Steel) would produce greater effects according to Brynden, as he gave us the ritual he used in the first Blackfyre Rebellion during Red Grass Field.
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Pretty much, animal sacrifice at the nadir of magic is the sort of thing that might give you a flicker of power, enough for practice, but not enough to be useful on its own.
 
Crake said:
There's really little way to be a Level 20 Unchained Monk and not be specced for combat. Trading feats and skill ranks for non-Monk seeming things aside, almost all of your class features make you better at fighting people.
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Yeah but by investing all my class given skill ranks on crafting and proffession skills, and relying only on trained skill points for combat, I'm the closest to an Unchained Monk not specced for combat you are likely to see, so I'm probably only on the powerlevel, of a level 18 or 19 combat specced Unchained Monk.
TotallyNotEvil said:
You know, Baleful Polymorph is on the Adept's list.

So one could steal the dread mantle of The Turtler hundreds of years before canon.
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The DM decided that Adept isn't 5th tier enough, so we can't pick adept.
Duesal said:
You're talking about the Wild Hunt, it's never going to die.

But look on the bright side. Whoever we send on this? They're getting power leveled without a doubt.

I've been casting a speculative eye on all the Westerosi knights we just got, along with our Scholarum magelings. So much prospective growth... Imagine sending in a level 6 sorcerer and him coming back as level 8. :D
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Even gods can die, killing the Wild Hunt for good would be an epic quest with high chances of failure, but it wouldn't be impossible.
Crake said:
Would have to confirm with @DragonParadox how ritual magic worked while magic was on the low-ebb, but animal sacrifice is like trying to squeeze water from a stone while its in full bloom now. So it would be worse than useless while it's gone.

And I believe ritual magic worked somewhat, but they were things like performing a complex rite for forty minutes to create a spark of mage-light. Sacrifice of inherently magical materials that maintain their enchantments even with low atmospheric ratings of magic in the world (like Valyrian Steel) would produce greater effects according to Brynden, as he gave us the ritual he used in the first Blackfyre Rebellion during Red Grass Field.
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Yss reward animal sacrifice, he only gives minor boons for it, but he will take animal sacrifices from his followers.
 
tarrangar said:
Yeah but by investing all my class given skill ranks on crafting and proffession skills, and relying only on trained skill points for combat, I'm the closest to an Unchained Monk not specced for combat you are likely to see, so I'm probably only on the powerlevel, of a level 18 or 19 combat specced Unchained Monk.
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Please explain how any Monk skills are ever useful in combat, apart from maybe Tumble. Especially at high level when you have class abilities (teleportation, yay!) to handle the whole "mobility" thing, and can mostly stop using Climb or Jump or whatever.
 
So is the armoured bear army viable, with feats to talk to animals and skills to raise cattle to feed the bears and armoursmiting to make masterqork amour. Maybe farming to feed the cattles.
 
Acolyte said:
So is the armoured bear army viable, with feats to talk to animals and skills to raise cattle to feed the bears and armoursmiting to make masterqork amour. Maybe farming to feed the cattles.
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I really think that it isn't. The time and effort it would take to train each bear means that a single person could never manage it. Furthermore, animals really aren't the best fighters (morale, supplies, difficulty in transmitting orders...)
 
DragonParadox said:
Vote closed. This is going to take a little longer than susual since I have to make the changeling's sheet.
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Dunno if this will help or not, but here's the gear we're crafting for him this month, plus what we plan to give him. Can you tell me what his stats are going to be? That'll let me know what to have enchanted for him (+2 or +3 stat boosts, and maybe some +1s to round out some others)?

Amulet of Tears
Anklets of Translocation
Boneward Belt (+2 or +3 Constitution)
Earring of Arcane Acuity
Gloves of Zephyr's Grace (+2 or +3 Dexterity)
Greater Ribbon of Disguise
Handy Haversack
Ring of Protection from Evil
Ring of Sustenance

We're also planning to give him whatever type of Valyrian Steel weapon he wants, along with +1 Cold Iron weapons and whatever else he wants (bow, lance, etc), and whatever type of Valyrian Steel or other +1 armor he wants.

EDIT: Along with +1 or Valyrian Steel horse barding of his choice (if he wants to armor his horse at all), along with Horseshoes of Speed for it.
 
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TalonofAnathrax said:
I really think that it isn't. The time and effort it would take to train each bear means that a single person could never manage it. Furthermore, animals really aren't the best fighters (morale, supplies, difficulty in transmitting orders...)
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True. But i assume with profession drill seargent or soilder or something that you could streamline the training. The transmission of orders would be a problem. Let me go and see if there is a feat to increase the efficiency of that.
 
Goldfish said:
Dunno if this will help or not, but here's the gear we're crafting for him this month, plus what we plan to give him. Can you tell me what his stats are going to be? That'll let me know what to have enchanted for him (+2 or +3 stat boosts, and maybe some +1s to round out some others)?

Amulet of Tears
Anklets of Translocation
Boneward Belt (+2 or +3 Constitution)
Earring of Arcane Acuity
Gloves of Zephyr's Grace (+2 or +3 Dexterity)
Greater Ribbon of Disguise
Handy Haversack
Ring of Protection from Evil
Ring of Sustenance

We're also planning to give him whatever type of Valyrian Steel weapon he wants, along with +1 Cold Iron weapons and whatever else he wants (bow, lance, etc), and whatever type of Valyrian Steel or other +1 armor he wants.
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Barding for his horse, too. Along with Horseshoes of Speed for his horse.

I'm not sure what else to give a horse.
 
Acolyte said:
True. But i assume with profession drill seargent or soilder or something that you could streamline the training. The transmission of orders would be a problem. Let me go and see if there is a feat to increase the efficiency of that.
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Animal Companions can be practical due to one-on-one training and supervision, but the logistics of trying to use non-sentient creatures as weapons of war is a serious hassle that generally isn't worth the trouble except for special cases. Horses, for example, have long been used as cavalry, transportation, etc., but that's because they are useful for multiple roles, have been domesticated for thousands of years, and are fairly easy to feed, since the food they eat often grows everywhere and can be stored easily. They're also relatively docile when properly trained and treated well. And despite all of that, it takes a huge amount of logistical support and dedicated training to support the horses within an army.

Bears have no useful abilities outside of combat, are temperamental and difficult to train, and are much more difficult to feed properly.
 
Goldfish said:
Animal Companions can be practical due to one-on-one training and supervision, but the logistics of trying to use non-sentient creatures as weapons of war is a serious hassle that generally isn't worth the trouble except for special cases. Horses, for example, have long been used as cavalry, transportation, etc., but that's because they are useful for multiple roles, have been domesticated for thousands of years, and are fairly easy to feed, since the food they eat often grows everywhere and can be stored easily. They're also relatively docile when properly trained and treated well. And despite all of that, it takes a huge amount of logistical support and dedicated training to support the horses within an army.

Bears have no useful abilities outside of combat, are temperamental and difficult to train, and are much more difficult to feed properly.
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Must you crush my dreams so. Ok change bears with dogs with steel caps for their jaws to go through armour. Would that work.
 
Acolyte said:
Must you crush my dreams so. Ok change bears with dogs with steel caps for their jaws to go through armour. Would that work.
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Yes, dogs are much more practical than bears, but I have moral objections to using dogs in combat. Just throw more people at the problem, they're expendable. But not the doggies! 🐶
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
Please explain how any Monk skills are ever useful in combat, apart from maybe Tumble. Especially at high level when you have class abilities (teleportation, yay!) to handle the whole "mobility" thing, and can mostly stop using Climb or Jump or whatever.
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I don't know, I don't really play D&D, but I assumed skills like concentration made you better in combat, not that my level 20 Unchained Monk wouldn't be very weak anyway, I mean I invested most of the stat points in INT and WIS.
 
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