A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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Not saying I disagree about giving away advantages for no reason whatsoever (Artemis only suggested this case specifically because it is also to our advantage if we obstruct the Deep Ones and we are already taking pains to resolve the Seven plot peacefully).
Our biggest obstacles are political and social, not physical. Someone killing Viserys with even an army of mages is a less likely outcome than someone making it impossible for practical purposes to exert control over Westeros. We're talking the Faith-related and ideological rebellions hosted against Aenys and Maegor, which even if resolved could lead to peasant rebellions like experienced early on during Aegon V and Tytos Lannister's era.
These are issues that we can't just "magic away" as easily since magic is basically the cause of the problem in the first place. And we don't even have the defense of "we'll keep the peasants happy and it will be fine and bribe the nobles" because you'll have fanatics specifically trying to poison the well with both even if you have the best intentions. We do have certain advantages that means this isn't a sure-fire loss for us, but it would be a really pointless war to fight compared to actually important things, like Hell.
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Right, all the time spent on propaganda would be time missing from foiling hellish, demonish or dameonic plots.
Crake
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The method of recruitment is literally so niche that they will fail to do so for 99/100 of them. If they get the right tools and casters, then still probably over half recovery attempts will be failure.
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And they spend research time and effort on countering the Deep Ones.
Not us.
That's good too.
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I dont particularly care either way. I am quite sure we can rip apart anything Lucan has managed to do to his compatriots, brainwashing included.I am just saying if it is a problem we dont have to tell them that we recruited one. That way they dont know it is possible either. Also either way if he does act against us in any way his god won't save him from the hell we will inflict on him...no really I will send him to the Nine Hells if he does anything that harms our Empire or our friends.
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Lucan is not really one to do brainwashing. The guy believes everything he spouts and will simply argue with them and teach them. He has shown ample charisma before.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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- USA
Right, Lucan peddles Hope to the Hopeless. He doesn't need anything else, just someone expressing desperation.
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Oh I am aware of his nonsense. I am just saying we can play that game and far for it we will. Either that or we use that hope against him by becoming the hope people flock too. Of course not his idealized notion that follows the faiths tenants but we can also play that game.
Edited Lorath to Lys above, sorry for any confusion as to the interlude, it's the Goblins in order one.
Is this still the case or did you change that. I remember we did it to Stannis"s fleet.
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@DragonParadox could they use Miracle/Wish to do what we did to Jeyne and her soul?
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There's always Lost Tradition, the broken version of Spell Finesse that lets you pick any ability score.
Casting from Strenght: for your Half-Minotaur Orc Wizard needs.
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I'd say the potential for uncovering secrets in the Dreams is tremendously higher than from lore freely-ish given.
We really might as well tell them everything, including that we saved and recruited a psion, if not the method we used. Why? Because if they fail to recreate the very hard ritual, they will feel compelled to ask us for help saving the psions they find in the future, it's CG mentality. And that'd mean we'd get a shot at all those psions.
It'd also be a good way to drill into their skulls that yes, the phenomenal cosmic power we've accumulated does have valid uses, it's not just meant to oppress the masses or whatever it is they think we do in our spare time (joke's on them, we don't do spare time
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It'd also be a good way to drill into their skulls that yes, the phenomenal cosmic power we've accumulated does have valid uses, it's not just meant to oppress the masses or whatever it is they think we do in our spare time (joke's on them, we don't do spare time
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[X] Crake
So I think learning that Jeyne wasn't a one-off creation and that there are probably a lot more running around by itself made staying to talk worthwhile. That's not the sort of thing we want to find out the hard way.
So I think learning that Jeyne wasn't a one-off creation and that there are probably a lot more running around by itself made staying to talk worthwhile. That's not the sort of thing we want to find out the hard way.
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While I like the idea, please note that it costs us precious staff charges.We really might as well tell them everything, including that we saved and recruited a psion, if not the method we used. Why? Because if they fail to recreate the very hard ritual, they will feel compelled to ask us for help saving the psions they find in the future, it's CG mentality. And that'd mean we'd get a shot at all those psions.
It'd also be a good way to drill into their skulls that yes, the phenomenal cosmic power we've accumulated does have valid uses, it's not just meant to oppress the masses or whatever it is they think we do in our spare time (joke's on them, we don't do spare time
tarrangar
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Yeah but that was because we insisted on being absolutely sure we destroyed the original body utterly, if we accept that the Illithid might be able to curse our new Psions, we can do it without using the staff, so we don't have to use that precious material for minor Psions.
If it becomes a serious issue we might be able to rope them into helping with that bit too. Either that or contribute a replacement to the role of the staff.