It's actually quite important as far as wealth and troops are concerned however the House was solidly in Robert's corner and never had a magical crises. They had no reason to send their limited assets over here.
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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It's actually quite important as far as wealth and troops are concerned however the House was solidly in Robert's corner and never had a magical crises. They had no reason to send their limited assets over here.
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@Duesal, @DakkaMania is correct. Making Hardened Steel more easily available will be a problem.
Furthermore, I would tax the cheap steel arriving from the PoE to protect our internal markets.
I personally like the idea of going full magitech, but we don't have a way to deal with the unemployment issues yet.
Edit : IMO, we should make it clear IC that our education system and economic policy should aim to shift things towards magitech-compatibility (more services, arts, social security, tech sectors, skilled and customised products...). But let's not try to push it through this year. Poor Uraka would have a heart attack
Furthermore, I would tax the cheap steel arriving from the PoE to protect our internal markets.
I personally like the idea of going full magitech, but we don't have a way to deal with the unemployment issues yet.
Edit : IMO, we should make it clear IC that our education system and economic policy should aim to shift things towards magitech-compatibility (more services, arts, social security, tech sectors, skilled and customised products...). But let's not try to push it through this year. Poor Uraka would have a heart attack
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Well, yes. Character assassination is something we've been doing to Tywin for a while now. Dealing with the relatives of geased lords in the Westerlands is possible I suppose, but it'd require a lot more effort on our part. That said, it simply wouldn't be up to them. Tywin could decide on his own to make an infernal pact for several Hellish Legions, and unless they manage to assassinate him beforehand his bannermen couldn't stop him.
That's more or less the plan. We buy up the grain at low prices and stockpile for the Long Night, and then later we come in and get a whole bunch of Westeros indebted to us.
The economy will shift to keep up. Sections will disappear/change, yes, but new sections will appear as well. It's a small enough problem that it's literally abstracted away. There's more than enough job opportunity to make up for it.
I guess we could? But the furnace is mainly reserved for smelting steel ingots, and it really does need to stay that way for a whole bunch of different projects. I'm sure enterprising citizens have been making plenty of salt, though.
I'll be amazed if people are unable to find new jobs. Industries shift and jobs are lost, but the market ensures that new jobs are created to replace those.
For example, the smiths whose jobs were lost when we decided to fabricate all of our armor for the Legions? They took up the niche of resizing the armor for the Legions as well as making enchanted armor and weapons via Craftsman's Pride.
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Speaking of character assasination... the presses are ready guys.
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So, if dreams and magic are not the key here, let's talk realpolitic.
Can anyone think of a way to tell her that we'll win and her house is already halfway surrounded by Targ-loyalists without sounding like a threat?
Also right now there is still a chance to join the winning side and be rewarded for coming early, rather than merely be forgiven once things are done.
Can anyone think of a way to tell her that we'll win and her house is already halfway surrounded by Targ-loyalists without sounding like a threat?
Also right now there is still a chance to join the winning side and be rewarded for coming early, rather than merely be forgiven once things are done.
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I'll really enjoy spreading those pamphlets across Westeros.
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@Duesal, I edited my post to clarify. Check it out.
You are forgetting several things :
- the insane speed of these changes. Remember Uraka saying that things were going well, but that the speed of our existing changes was already causing tensions/issued ? You are proposing introducing large-scale magitech stupidly fast, revolutionising several new sectors every month.
- the required retraining and reconversions aren't obvious. People will need advice, will need to be nudged away from dead ends, and will require credit or loans to switch to another activity.
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-[X] "Without having the opportunity to see the results access to such arts grants, it is understandable to weigh the value of them as one might things like grain and gold, but given the abundance of the former by those same arts and the relatively rapid and assured devaluation of the latter with access to realms that have it in abundance, that just makes what has been produced thus far all the starker."
-[X] "Even in a city like Tyrosh the results can be seen plainly in its reconstruction and also the glut of trade in the docks, pulled in from half the world over and beyond by words that can travel from one piece of artifice to another like the Glass Candles of antiquity, but they take no strength of will or the shedding of blood to power. Magic is full of mystery and dark tale because of all of the monsters roving the edges of our perception preying upon our misconceptions as much as the powerful attempt to hoard its very capabilities as much as its benefits, so people will fear them and hesitate to act against them. I can think of few ways to make this more obvious than showing you the Sky Havens of Armun Kelisk or the jeweled majesty of the Opaline Vault first hand."
-[X] "In Sorcerer's Deep I could show you a thousand works that make the people prosperous and mine and my allies wealthy beyond comparison to even the likes of the Lannisters. But wealth or even glory is not what you would stake your House's future on."
-[X] "What problems ail or trouble you? Perhaps close friends or family would counsel you to seek aid elsewhere, and perhaps you might find aid with such matters, but I have not yet met someone in your position yet who would claim if a problem could only be solved using magic, there was anyone else with better access to it. Let that speak plainly of my message--if a Lord or Lady of the realm should require it, I would not be the miser only letting a trickle pour through as Tywin Lannister might imagine its use."
-[X] "Without having the opportunity to see the results access to such arts grants, it is understandable to weigh the value of them as one might things like grain and gold, but given the abundance of the former by those same arts and the relatively rapid and assured devaluation of the latter with access to realms that have it in abundance, that just makes what has been produced thus far all the starker."
-[X] "Even in a city like Tyrosh the results can be seen plainly in its reconstruction and also the glut of trade in the docks, pulled in from half the world over and beyond by words that can travel from one piece of artifice to another like the Glass Candles of antiquity, but they take no strength of will or the shedding of blood to power. Magic is full of mystery and dark tale because of all of the monsters roving the edges of our perception preying upon our misconceptions as much as the powerful attempt to hoard its very capabilities as much as its benefits, so people will fear them and hesitate to act against them. I can think of few ways to make this more obvious than showing you the Sky Havens of Armun Kelisk or the jeweled majesty of the Opaline Vault first hand."
-[X] "In Sorcerer's Deep I could show you a thousand works that make the people prosperous and mine and my allies wealthy beyond comparison to even the likes of the Lannisters. But wealth or even glory is not what you would stake your House's future on."
-[X] "What problems ail or trouble you? Perhaps close friends or family would counsel you to seek aid elsewhere, and perhaps you might find aid with such matters, but I have not yet met someone in your position yet who would claim if a problem could only be solved using magic, there was anyone else with better access to it. Let that speak plainly of my message--if a Lord or Lady of the realm should require it, I would not be the miser only letting a trickle pour through as Tywin Lannister might imagine its use."
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Haven't seen magic at all??? Wow if she's a solid Robert!Loyalist with significant troops and land, I would've expected her to be top on the list for sweet sweet Magical Improvement, loot, favors, etc. I guess this shows Robert's PoV on magic being an obstacle/annoyance to control when it causes issues as opposed to something that can be used to help.
Haven't seen magic at all??? Wow if she's a solid Robert!Loyalist with significant troops and land, I would've expected her to be top on the list for sweet sweet Magical Improvement, loot, favors, etc. I guess this shows Robert's PoV on magic being an obstacle/annoyance to control when it causes issues as opposed to something that can be used to help.
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Everything produced in SD is Hardened. It's one of the selling points for our goods, from steel to rope to parchment (and paper, eventually). There isn't much of an industry centered around the maintenance of tools and objects in any mear-medieval society. Tinkers and blacksmiths might be called on to sharpen a blade or mend a pot, but such jobs aren't all that common or necessary. The laborers who did them are skilled enough that they can get jobs in similar fields.@Duesal, @DakkaMania is correct. Making Hardened Steel more easily available will be a problem.
Furthermore, I would tax the cheap steel arriving from the PoE to protect our I herbal markets.
I personally like the idea of going full magitech, but we don't have a way to deal with the unemployment issues yet.
Edit : IMO, we should make it clear IC that our education system and economic policy should aim to shift things towards magitech-compatibility (more services, arts, social security, tech sectors, skilled and customised products...). But let's not try to push it through this year. Poor Uraka would have a heart attack
It's not like more durable goods will be putting a huge segment of the workforce out of a job.
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That was pretty much my view on it.
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For the Legion, there's also the fact that we aim for something close to squad-level Mage support if at all possible, we have dedicated mass buffers and such on roster, crow controllers, summoners, etc. Also, alchemical equipment.
Not to mention magical banners and other wide-scale magical effects like Magic Army we are dabbling with.
The Legion Devils are fairly squishy at 19 HP, and even a pooled 152 HP will whittle away pretty quick against the right officer/troops. Less than their number of heavy cavalry can kill them all in one pass, as they have the double edged sword of you being able to drain away their entire HP pool by hitting one guy.
And let's not forget we are matching the armies of hell with third-fifth level NPC humans, and Legion Devils are truly bullshit at what they do. And we can match/win over them.
Not to mention magical banners and other wide-scale magical effects like Magic Army we are dabbling with.
The Legion Devils are fairly squishy at 19 HP, and even a pooled 152 HP will whittle away pretty quick against the right officer/troops. Less than their number of heavy cavalry can kill them all in one pass, as they have the double edged sword of you being able to drain away their entire HP pool by hitting one guy.
And let's not forget we are matching the armies of hell with third-fifth level NPC humans, and Legion Devils are truly bullshit at what they do. And we can match/win over them.
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I don't like that last part too much. It seems a bit too similar to "traveling magic salesman" to me. And a bit too close to the kind of temptation I would expect a less subtle Devil to attempt on a potential mark.
Maybe instead we could pose a hypothetical problem, such as one having a secret lover who would be frowned upon by others; not only could magic discover such, but it can also be used to hide this from the world at large, perhaps even make it possible to continue the relationship more easily?
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Goldfish
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Speaking of the Legion, did we ever finish statting out the artillery Legion I was helping Azel equip?
I can't remember the exact numbers right now (will look when I get home), but there are at least 80 +1 Scorpions with Abundant Ammunition bolt hoppers and 150+ Launchers we crafted for them.
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Weren't we going to avoid that so she wouldn't panic? Because that sounds like something that'd make her panic.
Goldfish
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We weren't going to lead off with it, in order to gauge her response and receptivity.
And we still don't have to outright state it. Innuendo FTW.
Planned obsolescence is bad in things that won't actually be obsolete by the time they break down. Being able to avoid maintenance or replacements and instead have more jobs that add to the economy and less wasted resources is a good thing in the long run.
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Planned obsolescence isn't a thing I'll ever support.
Goldfish
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Export markets.
We have a whole world to fill with our goods. And every other world we can reach.
Wile that is true and definitely something you guys should keep in mind, right now markets are opening up faster than the demand can keep up for all sorts of things. For one all those former slaves whose buying power has just shot up (in the sense of actually having one for a change) need a lot of stuff.
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True enough. But while it wouldn't help us in preventing the ensuing mess, it helps shape the narrative into a massively pro-targaryen direction. Well, more than Tywin summoning infernal legions at any rate.
Makes sense. And worst case there's probably some way to make greenhouses on a large scale in warmer climates or import from other planes.
I was mostly thinking of using the same setup used with the dragon lair. Have a pool of seawater, put the enchanted superfire in it, channel the steam via the cave (or pipes) into a aqueduct if you care about it and eventually you gather up the salt.
But yeah, I can see a market for Scholarum mages throwing fireballs (and similar) at evaporation pools in the Deep for some extra cash.
The issue is usually the timelag between losing the job and getting a new one. There is no social security system between the two. Or a easy way to see that your skills are required in another sector in exchange for good pay. And few people appreciate their whole training be turned obsolete.
So maybe have some clerks coordinate the search for jobs to decrease social stress. As popular as Viserys is, it can't help to be even more so. And cut out avenues of attack for enemies that want to use angry people as catspaws.
That aside, are there any plans to make airships practical as troop transports for the Legion? The Shadow Tower is awesome, but is a serious investment. Having flying ships ferry around elite troops means their effective operational range and response time improves. And if there are no troops to be ferried around, their cargo space can be rented out.
Speaking of ships. When the steam cannon was introduced, it was mentioned they also worked on modern ship propulsion. Was that just fluff or is it worked on? Because with the hardened material, it might be practical to create super freighters for trade with Yi-ti. Granted, fleets of smaller ships means that losses aren't that bad compared to losing single big ships. But the big ships can also carry huge defences.