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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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I'm not sure that archon bodies (consisting of metal, if I remember correctly) are fitting material for necromancy. Especially if those are bodies, and not just armor pieces—there wouldn't be enough celestials remains there even for Ahriman's Rubric.
 
Goldfish said:
It just occurred to me that by accepting the Dawn Fruit as payment so long ago, then going through the trouble to research and cultivate it, culminating in our vast Dawn Fruit orchards, we inadvertently helped to preserve one of the last living remnants of the Celestial Planes.
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Completely by accident. And now with minimal effort we can raise more orchards.

When we go home I'd like to make another one in Mantarys for Yrael's sake.
 
Duesal said:
Would the Archons want to care for the trees themselves or do they want us to make some Leshys for them?
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They would rather send the Leshy to do something more generally productive like helping farmers, but they would appreciate them.

Tending to CG plants is rather zen for many there, as it gets them away from tje troubles of mprtals a bit to unwind.
 
@Azel I can assure you my hopes are not "up". At least not on any conventional sense.

Necromancy is an odd duck of a school.

It requires... It requires one to accept death to a certain degree. Not that you will die, or that your death is inevitable. Rather that death is always there. Lurking, from high wizard, to prince, to pauper, to God and to the very shell of reality itself.

Necromancy and Druidism, oddly enough. Are the two schools closest to my heart in DnD.

Both of them see a massive pile of bodies, and their reaction is the same. "Pass the shovel, they should be put to use."

The specifics vary, as do the attitudes towards the opinion they had once alive.

We are not dead. We are alive. It falls to us to go on living. To make more life, to see that the lives of those who came before us are not forgotten, or wasted, or left in ruin.

It's a losing battle, it always was, and it probably always will be. But sheer bloody minded stubbornness has carried humanity this far, it can carry us all a little longer.

What we rebuild may be better, there is a good chance it will be worse. Maybe it's already on it's way to one of those things, but it must be, and I will be damned if we're not going to help it!
 
Azel said:
They would rather send the Leshy to do something more generally productive like helping farmers, but they would appreciate them.

Tending to CG plants is rather zen for many there, as it gets them away from tje troubles of mprtals a bit to unwind.
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Okay. We'll give them an orchard of Dawn Fruit for some personal Archon therapy, and we'll give them an order of Leshys to help with farming.
 
Duesal said:
Okay. We'll give them an orchard of Dawn Fruit for some personal Archon therapy, and we'll give them an order of Leshys to help with farming.
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This is a good move.

Edit: Eh, look at me getting all speech and crazy.

Either way I can't wait for tommorow! It's been a thousand years! There is a lot of catching up to do! and a lot of lazy God's to prod in to helping...
 
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zxzx24 said:
This is a good move.

Edit: Eh, look at me getting all speech and crazy.

Either way I can't wait for tommorow! It's been a thousand years! There is a lot of catching up to do! and a lot of lazy God's to prod in to helping...
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I'll say this much before going to sleep: Heaven has been broken for much, much longer then a mere thousand years.
 
Azel said:
They would rather send the Leshy to do something more generally productive like helping farmers, but they would appreciate them.

Tending to CG plants is rather zen for many there, as it gets them away from tje troubles of mprtals a bit to unwind.
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You know, now that I think about it, we really should put more effort to making Mantarys live up to its Epithet of "City of Angels". Perhaps that Archon beacon should go there? It would definitely give Yrael a chance to become something more leader-like for what's left of Heaven's forces.
 
Azel said:
I'll say this much before going to sleep: Heaven has been broken for much, much longer then a mere thousand years.
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Eh, it stopped mattering after they got out of true ressurection range, so forever works too.

Edit: assuming these aren't the bodies off newly dead creatures anyway.
 
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So had a think. We can't afford to focus on heaven and heaven will keep. We need to focus on the Plane of Balance and that one evil empire in Molten Skies. But once we're done with that, we do have allies who would be willing to help restore heaven. The djinni would probably be interested.

We'll need to look around for more people, but at the end of the day we're not alone and if heaven can be broken, it can be rebuilt.
 
Also, I'm fairly certain this is what Lucan saw when he went off plane. Interesting titbit to keep in mind during the renegotiations.
 
Quest said:
So had a think. We can't afford to focus on heaven and heaven will keep. We need to focus on the Plane of Balance and that one evil empire in Molten Skies. But once we're done with that, we do have allies who would be willing to help restore heaven. The djinni would probably be interested.

We'll need to look around for more people, but at the end of the day we're not alone and if heaven can be broken, it can be rebuilt.
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Yeah, we're working on the City of Brass now, with a goal of participating in a serious raid that will devastate the Efreeti's ability to make war or propagate their empire. We already have close allies in the Djinn and Shaitan, but once we help them cripple their age old enemy, we'll be in a much better position to call on them for aid.

Heaven is rather far down the list, though. The Golden Company and the Deep Ones are next on my preferred hit list.
 
Goldfish said:
Yeah, we're working on the City of Brass now, with a goal of participating in a serious raid that will devastate the Efreeti's ability to make war or propagate their empire. We already have close allies in the Djinn and Shaitan, but once we help them cripple their age old enemy, we'll be in a much better position to call on them for aid.

Heaven is rather far down the list, though. The Golden Company and the Deep Ones are next on my preferred hit list.
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Yeah, I did say we deal with the Plane of Balance first. This is an extremely grand venture potentially outside the scope of this game.

zxzx24 said:
Edit: @Quest ah, but think of the opportunity!
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If you mean necromancy then lets not. On a certain level, I'm curious but looting our friend's destroyed home for corpses isn't the best response when he just compared us to Asmodeus.
 
Goldfish said:
Yeah, we're working on the City of Brass now, with a goal of participating in a serious raid that will devastate the Efreeti's ability to make war or propagate their empire. We already have close allies in the Djinn and Shaitan, but once we help them cripple their age old enemy, we'll be in a much better position to call on them for aid.

Heaven is rather far down the list, though. The Golden Company and the Deep Ones are next on my preferred hit list.
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I'm betting the Brazen Throne was a participant of some kind in the sundering of Heaven. They had not one but two major celestials we freed. Bloom the Brijidine, and Zathir the Coatl Godling. There should definitely be more, we just need to find them.
 
I was not referring to the necromancy.

Completely. I was referring to all the people still around. Living ones.
 
Scholar of Time said:
Wait, for Detect Evil in 3.5 it says 'aligned creature' - doesn't changing alignment therefore change your 'aligned creature' status to Neutral aligned?
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Normally, yes. However, any creature that has an alignment subtype will ping as both their actual alighment and as whatever their subtypes are. In this case Azema is CN but is also outsider [chaotic] [evil], representing the fact that as a demon she is a literal incarnation of cosmic chaos and evil, therefore she pings as CN and CE.
 
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