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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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DragonParadox said:
Also true, but that could be a charge Lucan himself is willing to pass on to the next Chosen over decades or centuries
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Wait. What? "I'mma try to be virtuous, but am going to abdicate moral responsibility for the long term, not even actions but... Goals!?" I know you are proposing this as a possibility only, but that seems weirdddd.

Unless, Lucan, knowing how gods work is hoping that by the time that this becomes a thing, the seven will have been changed by the belief of their worshippers?

Anyway @Thread @Snowfire, I've brought this up before, but is there any reason we can't have someone ask Yss (as one of our free monthly commune questions) if Kyle knows about the end result of the Court of Stars taking over the Reach? A simple Yes or No, and it, I feel, would go a long way to informing our approach to him :)
 
BeepSmile said:
Wait. What? "I'mma try to be virtuous, but am going to abdicate moral responsibility for the long term, not even actions but... Goals!?" I know you are proposing this as a possibility only, but that seems weirdddd.

Unless, Lucan, knowing how gods work is hoping that by the time that this becomes a thing, the seven will have been changed by the belief of their worshippers?

Anyway @Thread @Snowfire, I've brought this up before, but is there any reason we can't have someone ask Yss (as one of our free monthly commune questions) if Kyle knows about the end result of the Court of Stars taking over the Reach? A simple Yes or No, and it, I feel, would go a long way to informing our approach to him :)
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Not quite, he could be genuinely be trying to be good in the hopes that all mages will naturally gravitate towards the Faith as the best to help guide and develop their powers.
 
Snowfire said:
But arcane magic exists...
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If I recall Arcane magic either comes from one's knowledge correct? I mean if the faith had a repository of knowledge on magic and if the faith became the tutor on such topics then it is possible to have them teach future mages who do not subscribe to the divine caster classes. Of course now comes the issue of the fact that despite Lucan's best wishes arcane mages could still be treated as lesser to their divine counterparts and the fact that the faith will bar anything it considers heretical, which high level spells could be seen as.
 
DragonParadox said:
It does indeed, but there is nothing stopping arcane mages from working with (or under the authority of) a religious institution
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That would suit the Faith quite well, I imagine, having all of the Arcane spellcasters subordinate to the church. Of course, they could never rise as high in the clergy as genuine Clerics, who channel the power of the Seven directly, not the castoff magic available to any godless heathen.

Separate but equal! :confused:
 
One Autumn Leaf said:
If I recall Arcane magic either comes from one's knowledge correct? I mean if the faith had a repository of knowledge on magic and if the faith became the tutor on such topics then it is possible to have them teach future mages who do not subscribe to the divine caster classes. Of course now comes the issue of the fact that despite Lucan's best wishes arcane mages could still be treated as lesser to their divine counterparts and the fact that the faith will bar anything it considers heretical, which high level spells could be seen as.
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*laughs in Sorcerer*
 
Bards and Witches and Magus', oh my!

One Autumn Leaf said:
If I recall Arcane magic either comes from one's knowledge correct?
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Nope, arcane casting/divine casting has no link to knowledge based paradimes vs... not knowledge based paradimes.

Unless you mean INT as opposed to knowledge, but I think my point stands there too.

Also, Archivist is basically Divine Spell Wizard.

Huh. Are there any WIS based arcane casters in baseline d&D/pathfinder?
 
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BeepSmile said:
Huh. Are there any WIS based arcane casters in baseline d&D/pathfinder?
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I think there is a Sorcerer Bloodline that allows that. This thing. If this thing would count as such. Also wow so arcane magic literally means any magic not from the gods? I guess it makes sense considering Sorcerers and Bards but I always saw those as using their bloodlines knowledge for Sorcerers and whatever the hell bards are. I still don't understand how bards work.
 
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[X] Snowfire

Yeah I'm confused. Didn't we get accurate info on Lucan before by Bloodraven? Even had interludes that point to Lucan doing bad?
 
Danielle has less than positive feelings for the man. He seems fairly reasonable, though a touch too assured of his belief in his patron's image. I wonder why they don't like each other. Maybe it's the fanaticism or maybe it's something else. Also the other septons thinking we are a chosen is hilarious.
 
One Autumn Leaf said:
I think there is a Sorcerer Bloodline that allows that. This thing. If this thing would count as such. Also wow so [arcane magic literally means any magic not from the gods?] I guess it makes sense considering Sorcerers and Bards but I always saw those as using their bloodlines knowledge for Sorcerers and whatever the hell bards are. I still don't understand how bards work.
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A) replace gods with "spirits, abstract concepts, a billion other things" to begin with, and then resist the urge to cry at the sheer mess. Then pick whatever answer fits your own desires. :)

B) D&D is made by like a bazillion different people, and while the underlying rules are the same, the classes built on them are all over the place. I honestly believe that if you look for consistency in arcane/divine and the differences between them, all you will find is a headache :p

In aSWaH on the other hand, DP looks to have made some "authorial fiat" decisions, but those I do not understand beyond the most basic shape.

I still want to find out who was the intelligent being who made Archivist's possible in aSWaH though.
 
mrsean22 said:
That doesn't really answer my question. Danelle interlude showed she thought him in a bad light. With us getting info on him by Bloodraven who I think would give us accurate information.
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  1. Bloodraven does not have much information on him other than the fact that he has been collecting mages, refuses to die to all the traps laid in front of him and connected to that seems to be vanishing off the face of the earth with increasing regularity.
  2. As for Danelle keep in mind that she dislikes the man, she does not think he is the devil.
 
DragonParadox said:
I think that was @TotallyNotEvil way back when Lya did not even have a sheet.
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Ah, yes, so he did. Apologies, I was referring to my point incorrectly.

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"Sure it does, it is happening again." Lya replies, "Only this time it is with a class of abilities that did not make the jump to "instinctive mages" (we need a better name for the classification) before."

You can safely say you have learned many things today including the phoenix body-language for completely gobsmacked

Nat 20 on a pivotal check, apparently. So .. what pivioted? :p.

Oh,
[X] Snowfire
 
Archivists are an amazing and important worldbuilding decision, and the haters can fuck off :p
More seriously, the publication of the Archivist class was a big rejection to those who thought that Divine casting couldn't be studied or comprehended, only felt and intuitively grasped/comprehended through meditation and "nirvanah"-style mental states at high levels.
The Archivist showed that divine power can be comprehended and studied intellectually. It gave a whole new justification to Theurge builds, who could now run with the simple "seeker of knowledge" concept more easily when before there were people who insisted that it made no sense.
 
DragonParadox said:
  1. Bloodraven does not have much information on him other than the fact that he has been collecting mages, refuses to die to all the traps laid in front of him and connected to that seems to be vanishing off the face of the earth with increasing regularity.
  2. As for Danelle keep in mind that she dislikes the man, she does not think he is the devil.
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Don't really need to see someone as the devil to do very bad things. Pretty sure she doesn't like his methods and all the killing he is planning. You actually saying he doesn't kill mages that don't join him when I'm pretty sure Viserys heard it IC. For Bloodraven why hasn't he just gather info old fashioned way of spy and not just going for the kill whenever possible?
 
BeepSmile said:
Ah, yes, so he did. Apologies, I was referring to my point incorrectly.

A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover | Page 131

"Sure it does, it is happening again." Lya replies, "Only this time it is with a class of abilities that did not make the jump to "instinctive mages" (we need a better name for the classification) before."

You can safely say you have learned many things today including the phoenix body-language for completely gobsmacked

Nat 20 on a pivotal check, apparently. So .. what pivioted? :p.

Oh,
[X] Snowfire
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Her understanding of the world which ultimately lead to the creation of Lya's class and understanding of magic.

mrsean22 said:
Don't really need to see someone as the devil to do very bad things. Pretty sure she doesn't like his methods and all the killing he is planning. You actually saying he doesn't kill mages that don't join him when I'm pretty sure Viserys heard it IC. For Bloodraven why hasn't he just gather info old fashioned way of spy and not just going for the kill whenever possible?
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  1. If Lucan is so charismatic that any mage who is not insane/enthralled some dark power joins him then yes he kills all mages who do notjoin him. You are seeing the man's actions not his motivations
  2. Because all the people who Bloodraven has enough leverage on to use as direct spies like that are also ones who know a worrying amount about him. He also has to stay a secret.
 
One Autumn Leaf said:
Danielle has less than positive feelings for the man. He seems fairly reasonable, though a touch too assured of his belief in his patron's image. I wonder why they don't like each other. Maybe it's the fanaticism or maybe it's something else. Also the other septons thinking we are a chosen is hilarious.
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He seems to have wasted a lot of time and energy on summoning Baelor, that turned out to be a big waste.
Also he seems to dislike (though not activly hate) the Pixie scout in Danelle's party.
 
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