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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Okay so doing the math it seems that Kyle and Lucan have just over 300 votes. Meaning that they need at least one more faction to vote with them.

The problem comes now with the fact that the Lannister faction and the Kyle/Lucan coalition have sympathies with magic. Meaning that they are natural allies. With these three you can pass any administrative law. Sway the independents and you can pass doctrinal law.

The crux here is wedging the Lannister faction. We can do this by playing on their fears with the rumours that the Faith Militant might be reinstated. The Lannisters do not want this because it means that Robert and, by extension the Lannisters go to war against the faith and any lords willing to defect and that is a huge PR no-no. Afterwards it is a matter of swaying the independents away.

So playing the Lannisters toward dissension would be the key play.
 
[X] Approach one of the other factions
-[X] Introduce ourselves to Most Devout Ollidor. Ask his opinions on matters of magic, it's place in relation to the Faith and Westeros, and what she thinks of the latest vote among the Conclave to accept the practice of mortals making bargains with the Fey and his opinions on the rumours regarding the Faith Militant.
--[X] If he seems amenable, speak to him of the rumours surrounding Lucan and how he wishes to reinstate the Faith Militant and how we suspect that he has aligned with Kyle to do so, as shown by the most recent vote and how he spoke so passionately in favour of it
--[X] If he asks why Dywen is telling him this, tell him that a war between the crown and the faith would be inevitable if the Faith Militant were to be reinstated and as someone who wishes to avoid unnecessary bloodshed we felt that it would be necessary for someone else to know
---[X] Maintain the Dywen persona; our suspicions are meant to place the inkling of an idea that maybe this may be happening. We do not wish to be seen as playing on his fears but cautioning him towards Lucan's "plans"


Somewhat borrowed from some of Goldfish's plan but I think that hitting Ollidor first would be better. If we play the rumour card with this I think that we can knock Ollidor right into the anti-Lucan faction with this plan.
 
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I have a thought: does Kyle know the end result of the court of stars getting power in the reach as they plan to currently? Do we know if he knows?

Viserys sees Kyle as a political operator similar to himself, but it was not untill the Orphene King told Viserys what was going to happen that we knew. We (the playerbase) had no idea untill then. Why should Kyle even suspect?

Viserys is filled with horror at the thought of the Reach becoming a true fairytale land. Would Kyle? I mean, "does Kyle have any idea of the result of the court of stars becoming ascendant" is something I'd consider asking Yss (one commune question for 'free' Vs 21 for XP).

Something something quick turn around of Kyle's position on fey marriage due to consequences of Margery+court of stars causing further discord in the faith/move some of Kyle's faction to anti-magic

Edit: [edit: deleted first edit as unhelpful. We work with what we have].
 
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One Autumn Leaf said:
[X] Approach one of the other factions
-[X] Introduce ourselves to Most Devout Ollidor. Ask his opinions on matters of magic, it's place in relation to the Faith and Westeros, and what she thinks of the latest vote among the Conclave to accept the practice of mortals making bargains with the Fey and his opinions on the rumours regarding the Faith Militant.
--[X] If he seems amenable, speak to him of the rumours surrounding Lucan and how he wishes to reinstate the Faith Militant and how we suspect that he has aligned with Kyle to do so, as shown by the most recent vote and how he spoke so passionately in favour of it
--[X] If he asks why Dywen is telling him this, tell him that a war between the crown and the faith would be inevitable if the Faith Militant were to be reinstated and as someone who wishes to avoid unnecessary bloodshed we felt that it would be necessary for someone else to know
---[X] Maintain the Dywen persona; our suspicions are meant to place the inkling of an idea that maybe this may be happening. We do not wish to be seen as playing on his fears but cautioning him towards Lucan's "plans"


Somewhat borrowed from some of Goldfish's plan but I think that hitting Ollidor first would be better. If we play the rumour card with this I think that we can knock Ollidor right into the anti-Lucan faction with this plan.
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Please clarify here.

We don't know for sure if Lucan has any plans for the traditional Faith Militant.
What we do know is that he is keeping a growing group of mages under his control, which has the same or greater value in military terms, and the crown will react similarly as they would to a Faith MIlitant.

[X] One Autumn Leaf
 
I'm going to look at the known choices of the Seven, that we know OOC:

Warrior removes himself from the conflict between the seven and OG (read Bloodraven/Viserys) by picking a kid. Immidiate hands off there because Viserys feeds the OG and it isn't worth the time or effort for BR to go after them 'cuz that will piss off Viserys.

Same with the Smith.

Maiden picks Danielle, who is basically "trying to make world less shit"

Crone keeps on having hers killed.

Mother is unknown?

Stranger is unknown.

Father is Lucian, the man who summoned Baelor, even though that you could tell that Baelor was not 'ready' to be a celestial, soul wise, by his fucked up appearance, and now Lucian is super reasonable Infront of the crowd.
Hmm.

@One Autumn Leaf what do you think of bring up the Court of Stars end-game with Ollidor? Dwyden is well traveled and would, in my read of the persona, be the sort of person who would invistigate fey in general, it would not be beyond the bounds of reasonability to think he would have learned of the fairytale land result. Could help turn Ollidor against Kyle more firmly than fears of faith millitant and consequences of it? (As FM stuff could be bypassed a bit* by strict oaths of loyalty to the king imo)
*Like, even if not true in practice, it "could be argued"
 
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Artemis1992 said:
No, his Chosen is currently producing anti-dragon weapons while propably decieved by Devils.
Very much still in the game.
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... Oh, thanks for clearing that up. :)

Uncool, Smith (unless it's the devil's fault, who do this sort of thing anyway).

Still, smokey confinement is a lovely spell if we bump into him somehow.

Or need some spiffy anti-dragon weapons ;)
 
OK so I'm seeing a lot of confusion and a lot of hesitation so I'm going to take off my scheming GM hat for a moment to say something just as a member of the community and I know it is a large community since I keep getting all these likes on updates you see.:V

Guys a sub-optimal vote is not the end of the world, you do not actually have to be superhuman like Viserys' stats say to vote-craft here, discuss experiment, get a feel for the characters. It's OK to stumble or make mistakes,you have a lot of layaway to pick yourselves back up. The one thing that can hurt the thread right now is a lack of player engagement since I'm certainly having fun writing this.
 
snooooooooooooooow, jon snooooooooooooooooooooooooooow i wanna know~

Im going to bed, goodnight everyone!

Good fortune to you all upon this weekend day.
 
In the interest of spurring on thread engagement I'm thinking about introducing a new rule, or rather making what was an informal position of mine more explicit: I would like to see 3 or 4 pages of serious discussion between updates and at least a dozen or so votes for whatever turns out to win. Don't feel like you have to post just to fill up space or keep the update schedule going (that's the mistake I made and the story suffered for it). I'll still be here and just as interested in the story as ever when you guys discuss matters and though and come up with a vote. If there are any questions you would like to ask, any plans you would like to run past me I'm happy to help.

Also on a different but related note, if you would like more standard vote options in social situations and otherwise I can do that too, though to be fair I have to admit the write-ins are really interesting to me.
 
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I would be posting more, but (as I said in PMs) IRL is absolute hell for me these days. It'll get better next week, but these days I just don't have the time to write up a full vote and check everyone's names and whatnot.

Duesal is gone, Azel is too and they were our two biggest social vote writers. Crake tries but dislikes serious voting, Goldfish does a good job but is alone and thus doesn't exactly spur a shitting of discussion ...
This feels like a combination of factors, none of which is decreasing interest in the quest itself. This is a super important and interesting passage, and I love it !
 
A thought: the hardliners could do with more support, if Lucan is going to be sensible. We made our personas to be moderated, which makes them ill-suited to opposing him right now. Damnit.

And yes, I am going into this with the goal of opposing Lucan. He's a high-level PC with excellent social skills going up against mooks with discreet fey backup : he will undoubtedly dominate this whole event if we do oppose him, IMO.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
I would be posting more, but (as I said in PMs) IRL is absolute hell for me these days. It'll get better next week, but these days I just don't have the time to write up a full vote and check everyone's names and whatnot.

Duesal is gone, Azel is too and they were our two biggest social vote writers. Crake tries but dislikes serious voting, Goldfish does a good job but is alone and thus doesn't exactly spur a shitting of discussion ...
This feels like a combination of factors, none of which is decreasing interest in the quest itself. This is a super important and interesting passage, and I love it !
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I get that but if I just push though people will become even more disengaged as the quest will move on with less and less interactivity, so let me make this explicit.

Paging all Lurkers and occasional posters: It's alright to come out and vote guys, I'd love to see some new voices and perspectives and it would really help the thread keep going.
 
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I have no stake, nor much interest in this...
And DP wants more discussion...
Shitposting it is :V

Translated a new comic of KODA's :3

It's dragons, and chess, so somewhat relevant :V
 
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TalonofAnathrax said:
@Goldfish I would vote for you if you had some reason for knowing that. Do you?

Actually, @DragonParadox : do the people at the Conclave know that Dywen is an OG worshipper and a mage ?
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They do not, brother Kyle knows you as a Begging Brother who is great at preaching with a rhetoric that could be useful to him, many of the people in his faction have heard Dywen. However neither the Old Gods connection nor the magic is known. In fact the former would have seen you barred from the chamber.
 
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They do not, brother Kyle knows you as a Begging Brother who is great at preaching with a rhetoric that could be useful to him, many of the people in his faction have heard Dywen. However neither the Old Gods connection nor the magic is known. In fact the former would have seen you barred from the chamber.
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Is there a chance a Septon of the Vale or the Riverlands has heard of Dywen the wandering OG-agent?
 
My question is what are we trying to do here? There are lots of ways this could play out, but I'm not sure what we are go for. I'm not looking for a perfect win or anything, but I don't even know what the goal here is. Like, are we trying to cripple Lucan's political power, trying to promote the use of magic? What are we going for here?
 
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They do not, brother Kyle knows you as a Begging Brother who is great at preaching with a rhetoric that could be useful to him, many of the people in his faction have heard Dywen. However neither the Old Gods connection nor the magic is known. In fact the former would have seen you barred from the chamber.
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About as expected, then.

In which case, maintenance of the persona is paramount. That said...there are ways to be moderate on magic and still find some (many) ideas troubling. Something we could do here is drop a word into the ear of the Lannister rep, and try to push them towards the anti-magic faction purely on the basis of mutual enemies. Lucan wants the Faith Militant back, and voting in support of him will only make it more likely that the blocs opposed to that will splinter when time comes due.

Push them together to try and form a 'Tradition' bloc to oppose a lot of Lucan or Kyle's proposals, perhaps. Lucan and Kyle and Maer synergised nicely here, and our own work with the latter will make turning her to them difficult.

But that doesn't mean we can't force her bloc to splinter.
 
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