That sounds good, it is random enough to model the difficulty of the old Gods interacting with the physical world without a Greenseer. So sometimes you get a major boost and other times a relatively small one.
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That sounds good, it is random enough to model the difficulty of the old Gods interacting with the physical world without a Greenseer. So sometimes you get a major boost and other times a relatively small one.
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Not that I'm against the research boost, sounds fine really, but "+1d6 to fungus forge specific research progress" isn't exactly sexy when compared to some of the ideas tossed around. It being tied to a post rework system that the vast majority of the thread hasn't seen doesn't help.
I'm not saying it's a bad idea, just that you should maybe consider how you are gonna sell it against the various obvious shinies on offer.
I'm not saying it's a bad idea, just that you should maybe consider how you are gonna sell it against the various obvious shinies on offer.
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Mostly by pointing the flaws of the shinies.
I'm not going to start a hype-battle here.
Also, the boost works under the current system too.
To be honest though, I'm resigned to see all of this wasted on bullshit.
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Look at it this way, at least the main buffs on the tree will be useful. One of the bonus boons going to the Magpie brigade to stuff in the pile of shinies and caw about isn't a bad ratio.
This isn't even me taking pot shots at the Magpies, Snake and Tree know that without the likes of Duesal's relentless commitment to loot1 and Egoo's obsession with moving the goalposts as far as he could get away with1 that the pile of sacrifices wouldn't be nearly this big.
1: These are compliments in this circumstance, if that wasn't clear.
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Upgrade the Fungus Forge itself? It's still CR-capped, isn't it?
egoo
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DP ruled that OGs can push us through to CR12 instead of, waht, CR9?
However, that's also something we could do the moment we find and loot another fleshforge.
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That would only get us to CR 12, so not really worth it.
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Actually, we just need to do some research to raise that cap.
It's currently CR 10 by the way.
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Uuuh, when I asked DP said that upgrading anything about Lys' fleshforge, be it increasing CR or making it able to mulch more powerful entities, he said it'd take finding another working fleshforge..?
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kinda the reason I have the last line here.
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Except she isn't doing it. That's the issue here. It's part of her story, yes, but not in the same way the Herald was for Lya, or blowing up a mountain was for Viserys.
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And that's why I wanted to have Vee doing it, or at least having a major role in it.
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Except that doesn't make sense either. She's far more deeply connected to Yss in terms of power than she'll ever be to the OGs. Please, stop trying to jackhammer her thematics for cheap cheese. She'll get Mythic in her own way, and her own time. Forcing it like this is just...wrong.
Viserys is, for all intents and purposes, the Champion of the Old Gods. Vee is not.
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@DragonParadox Could we push through the Fungal Forge upgrade to the 12 CR maximum and simultaneously make it easier to upgrade on our own through research?
How do we upgrade it, anyway? Is that a separate research option, or is it more involved?
How do we upgrade it, anyway? Is that a separate research option, or is it more involved?
egoo
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For now, we straight up can't upgrade our only available fleshforge.
OGs, apparently, can bruteforce that a little.
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What about making the Runestaff of the Old Gods into a Legendary Item instead? @DragonParadox? @Everyone?
For the three special abilities, I would choose;
These would be in addition to the staff's standard Legendary Surge ability, which would allow us to use it to gain a +1d6 bonus on Concentration and Caster Level checks by expending its Legendary power (which it would have 4/Day if we select the Powerful ability).
Upgradable would let us add special abilities, along with additional Runestaff spells, without spending crafting time on it. Viserys would just need to do a short ritual and throw some reagents at it (with a really nice discount).
Metamagician is limited in a way, but also extremely flexible. Any Metamagic feat Viserys learns with Ancestral Awakening could be affected by this. For example, he could learn Maximize Spell, which we could then use, along with three Legendary Power from the staff, to cast a Maximized Shadow of the Doom. The limit would be the staff's 4 Legendary Power/Day, though that can potentially be upgraded later.
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Honestly, this is something that I feel should be a trade-off. If we have deific intervention upgrade the Forge, there's going to be a larger gap between our knowledge of how it all works and where we currently are. You don't get to have both.
In general terms re: the bonus sac juice, I like the idea of turning the Staff of the Old Gods into a Legendary Item as part of this, as it's incredibly thematic and in line with our actions in restoring the Dawn Tree. Taking into account the Legendary Item system, the result result should probably be like this, @TotallyNotEvil
- Becomes a Legendary Item with uses of Legendary Surge equal to its wielder's uses of Mythic Power, recharging every sunrise.
- Has the Metamagician, Perfect Surge and Powerful abilities.
- May have any one spell cast into it if it was a Spellstaff, as the spell of the same name.
- Provides Endure Elements to the wielder.
- Runestaff capabilities upgraded with the following at 3/day:
- Find the Path (5th), Earthquake (6th), Rain of Roses (7th), Master Earth (7th), Wandering Weather (8th), Undermaster (9th) (Cast as swift action for 1 use of mythic power, alternatively make it last 5 minutes with 3 uses of mythic power).
- All spells can be cast as their Mythic Variants with the requisite expenditure of Mythic Power.
- Hammer of the Waters 1/?? (?th) - Mythic
Then rezz the forest elemental dragon guardian such that it will defend the entire island, though focusing on the Dawn Tree, upgrade the Lys Fungus Forge, and allow any Weirwood enhancements developed there to be instantly applied to any other Weirwoods in the network.
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Mmm, wouldn't work.
Already asked DP if we could use some/most power from the sacrifice to raise DA!Tree to apply fire-immunity to all other weirwoods-
DP said that a separate ritual and a separate large sacrifice will be needed.
So I assume the same applies to any other weirwood-modification.
- Unfortunately not, just pushing more power into it does not make it any more comprehensible
- You need to find a working flesh forge, or at least one that as broken in a different way that the forge in Lys and study it.
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Endure Elements is a fluffy waste. Viserys doesn't need it, and will be gaining the effect as a side-effect from the gear being crafting for him in the 9th month anyway.
I like the Spellstaff effect being included.
If we include the Upgradable power, we can add additional Runestaff spells to it ourselves.
That's plenty powerful to me, with no need to include upgraded or Mythic Runestaff spells. I'd take Hammer of the Waters, but not if it came at the cost of something else.
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The idea here is that any enhancements we do from this point on will be done taking into account a deeper link with the rest of the network from the Lys Tree, and therefore making any future enhancements far, far easier to apply.