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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Look, people, you know I've fought against the very idea of a proposal for irl months, whenever it came up. The fact that I am changing my mind should probably tell you something.
And no it's not that @Azel worked out the right bribe. How could you ever think that?
 
[X] Azel

I vote we have the ceremony over the melting hulk of the iron throne, then instead of rings we can have matching crowns
 
Knack said:
[X] Azel

I vote we have the ceremony over the melting hulk of the iron throne, then instead of rings we can have matching crowns
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We already have a crown. And I have some glorious plans for the one we'll eventually give Lya. It'll just, um, really need that 'Craft Artefact' Mythic Feat...
 
Snowfire said:
No. That misses the entire point. She's not the type of girl to be swept off her feet like that - and honestly, trying to do so just feels wrong. A proposal to her should be intimate, and this lets us call back to when we first met her, and also celebrate what we've built together. In so many different ways.
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The point here isn't to wow her. We know that she likes these weird and interesting places a lot. Hence why I wanted to propose to her in that kind of place.
Kinda like how IRL people tend to try to propose in nice places ? Well, IRL a lot of people propose for the attention and unforgettable memory, but you get my drift. Somewhere nice, memorable and private all at once: crazy extraplanar cliffside !
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
The point here isn't to wow her. We know that she likes these weird and interesting places a lot. Hence why I wanted to propose to her in that kind of place.
Kinda like how IRL people tend to try to propose in nice places ? Well, IRL a lot of people propose for the attention and unforgettable memory, but you get my drift. Somewhere nice, memorable and private all at once: crazy extraplanar cliffside !
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No thanks.
 
sayeftyfirst said:
It does, but like all transportation tech in the real world, this is likely to cause further concentration of population as they don't need to be near an iron mine to work iron. That would indicate to me that current cities will only get larger and more important which would mean a growth in the industry and population of the South and make the North's role the same as real world Russia or Canada or even Brazil, which is largely exporting large quantities of raw materials. Not that they won't get their own major cities, but there is much more inertia to overcome there and it will take huge amounts of time. They will eventually overcome it, but its going to take hundreds and hundreds of years unless we start paying people to move North much like happened in the days of colonization.

Honestly some of why we disagree may just be that I don't think its likely to be worthwhile to transplant huge parts of our citizenry North or dedicate large chunks of our treasury to building cities or manufacturing there when I think it is unnecessary.
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You are missing the point. The driving factor behind human settlements has always been the transportation of goods from the producer to the consumer. Even in the modern age, urbanization is governed by mass transit systems, such as highways, harbor and railways. With the Planar Termini though, this is a solved problem. It does not matter if your lumber mill is in Last Hearth or Braavos for the distribution step, so it becomes more attractive to build it in Last Heart as you are now closer to the forests, thus lowering the time and cost of transportation for the raw materials while your finished goods can travel instantly to the major markets.

All we need to do to make the North a viable industry location is to built Termini. That's it.

That's also why I'm currently not interested in building more of them on Planetos, since I want to guzzle up that sweet growth stimulus to SD for a while longer before it becomes diluted.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
The point here isn't to wow her. We know that she likes these weird and interesting places a lot. Hence why I wanted to propose to her in that kind of place.
Kinda like how IRL people tend to try to propose in nice places ? Well, IRL a lot of people propose for the attention and unforgettable memory, but you get my drift. Somewhere nice, memorable and private all at once: crazy extraplanar cliffside !
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Look, you are going for the "propose to her while sky-diving"-thing. Being flashy for the sake of flashyness.

But look at your average month for Lya and Viserys. Breaking the laws of nature, blowing up mountains, waging wars in the bowels of the Plane of Fire... that's Monday.

The truly memorably and precious moments are those quiet moments were Viserys and Lya can be Viserys and Lya, not The Dragon-God-Emperor of Mankind and Sage of Souls.
 
Azel said:
Look, you are going for the "propose to her while sky-diving"-thing. Being flashy for the sake of flashyness.

But look at your average month for Lya and Viserys. Breaking the laws of nature, blowing up mountains, waging wars in the bowels of the Plane of Fire... that's Monday.

The truly memorably and precious moments are those quiet moments were Viserys and Lya can be Viserys and Lya, not The Dragon-God-Emperor of Mankind and Sage of Souls.
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This post is rated 3000% positive on SnowfireSupport.com :V

Seriously though, this is entirely right. Intimacy in a proposal makes it special. That's the point.
 
Azel said:
Look, you are going for the "propose to her while sky-diving"-thing. Being flashy for the sake of flashyness.

But look at your average month for Lya and Viserys. Breaking the laws of nature, blowing up mountains, waging wars in the bowels of the Plane of Fire... that's Monday.

The truly memorably and precious moments are those quiet moments were Viserys and Lya can be Viserys and Lya, not The Dragon-God-Emperor of Mankind and Sage of Souls.
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Yeah, and where do they go on dates when they can? To the wild jungles of Sororythos or something, where Lya can weave flowers into Viserys' hair and they can get away from it all.
"Interesting, beautiful place" and "nice date" are absolutely compatible, and that's how I intended for the proposal to go.
 
@DragonParadox, will you continue with the tourney interludes? How about a retroactive tourney gossip from Ferno the Fat(he survived the fire right?), or that pig farmer who thinks the septons read the wrong books, talking about the notable archery contestants (Serpenfolk, or Old Sureye???), Or that Xorn who joined the joust with his steed?
 
Azel said:
You are missing the point. The driving factor behind human settlements has always been the transportation of goods from the producer to the consumer. Even in the modern age, urbanization is governed by mass transit systems, such as highways, harbor and railways. With the Planar Termini though, this is a solved problem. It does not matter if your lumber mill is in Last Hearth or Braavos for the distribution step, so it becomes more attractive to build it in Last Heart as you are now closer to the forests, thus lowering the time and cost of transportation for the raw materials while your finished goods can travel instantly to the major markets.

All we need to do to make the North a viable industry location is to built Termini. That's it.

That's also why I'm currently not interested in building more of them on Planetos, since I want to guzzle up that sweet growth stimulus to SD for a while longer before it becomes diluted.
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I disagree that that's all that is needed to make it more attractive than the south. Yes, that will likely make it easier to have the first step of the refinement in the North. But the problem is that factories get built where there are laborers while refining industries often get built where the resource is. This still ends up with the South having the bulk of our industry simply because it is easier to build up manufacturing capability there. This still runs into the problem of the North just exporting materials and importing the items manufactured with those materials. They don't have the population to do anything else.

I think you have forgotten the labor factor when looking at the problem. There simply isn't a high enough population in the North to compete with starting manufacturing in the South. And once that begins it is fairly likely that the North will spend centuries consigned to exporting lumber and metal, and maybe even oil or natural gas if they get that far. Honestly that problem remains to this day in the American "North" vs. "South" just in reverse where the North is wealthy and populated while the South is resigned to providing materials and crops while living in relative (yes I know its very much relative) poverty.
 
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DragonParadox said:
"Such enthusiasm should be rewarded don't you think my lord?" you ask, seemingly idly though the question is anything but that. "Perhaps he would be well suited to staying here that he might learn to slay such beasts, perhaps even gather his own collection to show his sons and grandsons." That image should thoroughly appeal to an avid hunter like Randyll Tarly.
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A man after my own heart. I will always love people who appreciate the trophies. :D
 
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