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- Brazil
Considering their there ones, I wouldn't say so. It's all Narrow Sea focused and fairly close to us.
It's essentially Targ Lands.
Yeah, I was thinking "in a hundred years it will be bonkers".
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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It's essentially Targ Lands.
Snowfire
Polyglot of Chimera
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- Wordcats
I don't need to vote for the HT interludes, the one I'm excited for comes soon anyway
Stop teasing them. It's mean.
Also my prerogative.
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- Brazil
Is All Access where he enacts phase 1 of stealing the Internet?Just pick one
Also no, mostly no, and that was Viserys' first meeting with the Council. The interlude is actually teased in the text.
Sister Sword... Dark Sister and a sword of the cross?
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
Freedom of Movement isn't really a concern any longer. Several of our eligible casters now have the Periapt of the Sullen Sea effect added to their gear, which allows them to convert 4th level spell slots into Freedom of Movement spells, and even more of them will receive it next month. We can easily buff any party with Freedom of Movement now, though it certainly won't hurt for Richard to have it in effect constantly due to the ring.
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- Argentina
Thanks you for pointing that fact out. I didn't intend to communicate that. I only intended for him to be aberration-touched, and that being the cause of the perceived discrimination. I'll see what I can correct about the omake so that it makes more sense.
He comes from the Old Deep anyway, but I didn't mean that that particular fact was bad.
Snowfire
Polyglot of Chimera
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- Wordcats
We could just declare our intention. To denser houses. How many are there a few hundred. It woupd a few weeks work. And the cleverer would also see that real power is in trade and money and they could be appeased that way.
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- Germany
1. We will have to explain a lot of stuff to the denser houses already, like why the Imperial Tax Collector and the Legion are not in fact under their jurisdiction and yes, those laws do in fact apply to them. I see little point in adding to that.
2. Being marginalized as a lord means that all this fancy trade isn't soothing anything, as you are not getting any of the benefits.
3. Keeping it all together doesn't fix the fact that the North is too large and would be vastly too powerful in a few decades. It needs splitting and the best moment to do so is right now.
4. Once we are done with the Lannisters, the Tullys and the Arryns, Ned Stark will look at that deal and thank the Old Gods for it.
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- United States
I like the asphetic, the whole thing looks much prettier than the last map. Some suggestions:
Can you describe what exactly you have in mind for the 'Crowlands?'
Dreadlands, Whitelands, and Winterlands all look great. The Dustins are now out from under Stark, which was the last one's biggest snag.
What happened to 'Greater Darry?' The Bay of Crabs is okay, but I really liked that name and it made things rather explicit. Also, you're snagging a bit of the Vale, although that's probably intentional. Once again the geography doesn't make much sense, although the area is fairly wealthy which is probably why the Arryns clung to it.
Maybe rename Dragonstone to Duskendale? They're probably going to be the ones running it as Dukes, with the Narrow Sea islands and houses being directly under the Crown.
... Oceanlands? I'm gonna consider that a placeholder until we figure out who'll be calling the shots, but naming it after the central lake is also an idea.
Probably best to let the Umbers act as an intermediary for them, or with the Bolton's, to let them come to us. Going to them sets the stage in a way we don't necessarily want.
This I'm in support of. Dywen could do some work here, possibly breaking the 'curse of Harrenhal' ... although that's probably a real thing, ain't it?
Willaim's a craven. We're better off speaking to his firstborn son and heir, Reynald.
And considering it was noticeable even before the return of magic, it's probably the sort of thing we should bring at least a small party for.
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- United States
I've never seen a 'Valaryians without dragons wake up and interact with pre-Dance or DofD Targs' before in fanfiction, despite it having so much potential. Honestly considering writing it myself.
Brandon's a slow-burn kind of author. I personally found the plot and characters enticing enough to sit through the long build-up, and he has enough books so that if ones' not for you, another probably will be.
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- Germany
1. I just dialed down the opacity of the borders. It now looks less... harsh...
2. That depends a lot on how things shake down after the Others are defeated. For now, I want to tear Bear Island and Skagos from the nothern Duchies, citing the need as staging grounds for the Long Night, and placing them directly under Imperial control. After the war, we need to divide up the land there and depending on how the Night Watch will dissolve, we could grant this Duchy to Jeor Mormont or maybe Alisser Thorne. Or we have that part ruled from Skagos. It's a bit hard to say, but this area is mostly "post-Night Watch order and left-over land not going to the Thenns".
3. Actually, the borders there haven't changed, except for Bear Island and Skagos. The Dustins would have been out from under the Starks one way or another.
4. I felt the other name a bit more fitting, though I'm ambivalent about naming it Greater Darry again.
5.1. I'm decently sure that House Rykker is among those who took a Lannister bride and money, so it seems unlikely to me that they will get something except a boot to the head.
5.2. So you want to keep Dragonstone and Driftmark directly under Imperial rule? Fine by me, but then I'm sorely tempted to also snag Tarth to complete our set of islands.
6. That would be "Red Lake" then, which was my other option. The area contains most of the Ocean Road, so it felt decently fitting.
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- Germany
1. I think the Mormonts are as primed to our cause as they can be and Roose Bolton will be on board with whatever we propose as long as it gets him out under the Starks thumbs. I get your concern, but those two people are unlikely to cause much issue if we come to them themselves. Especially as the Mormonts are a marginalized border house and the Boltons have that whole feud.
2. That's the reason I want to go there. Shella Went couldn't stop 20,000 Lannister levies in canon, so the odds of her even attempting to hold Harrenhall against 25,000 Legionaries with 1,000 Darkenbeasts and multiple dragons are... let's say low. However, I'm worried that the curse is very much real and would be troublesome for us. Also, if we flip her, we can hide enough supplies for two armies in that castle. Once the Invasion actually starts, we port over a small contingent with Titan Tools to patch up the castle and suddenly we hold one of the greatest strongholds on the continent.
3. Fair enough, though speaking with The Dragon in the flesh might be all the more convincing to a craven man.
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- washington
Ah the conquest is going to be quite fun.
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- United States
So basically a broad strokes kind of thing, and we'll figure out the details once the Long Night's over.
Huh, must've gotten things mixed up.
Probably, I just like Greater Darry as a name.
Duskendale may have fallen far, but it's still one of the most powerful houses by the Crownland's standards, so they'd be in less of a position where you either sucked up to the Lannisters or died like a lot of others are. The Gaunts being a prime example of when the latter sticks to their principles. Not to mention the Rykkers were raised by the Targs, and westerosi remember that kind of thing. Plus, they very well what happens when you piss them off. Ultimately up to DP's judgment but I had them as one of the houses Monford was able to sway in my omake and on the Chart.
Sounds like a solid plan, although the Curse is probably a more 'face of entropy' kind of thing rather than an army stopper.
Yeah, intimidating him would be trivial, but there's nothing stopping the next terrifying figure from making him squeal. It's ultimatly not that big a deal, but seeing as Reynald's participating in the joust it'd probably be a lot simpler to just talk with him.
Anyone else think Lord Tarly's defense to Mace was not that good? Storms End falling wouldn't have done much in my opinion. Robert would have no choice but to wait to get it back and he would need the Tully, Stark and Arynn armies to face the Reach army if the Reach army picked to fight them(don't believed Mace would have). Don't believe Robert would face the Reach army alone and the Stormlords would of stayed with Robert even if Storms End fell. Didn't have much choice.
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- Germany
Alright, then I'm fine with giving that area to the Rikkers. There will be plenty of traitor houses to make sure old Brune get his just rewards.
Eh... I'm kinda expecting undead Ironborn when we bring a dragon there. Or some left-over squid-fuckery in the cellars.
Well, if Reynald is here, might as well do it now.
- Tarth taken from the Stormlands since it's a juicy island linking up our other islands
- incidentally, in this plan, we have absolute control over the Narrow Sea and the major shipping routes, even more so then before
- renamed some stuff:
-- Bay of Crabs -> Greater Darry
-- Oceanlands -> Red Lake
-- Dragonstone -> Northern Crownlands
-- Crownlands -> Southern Crownlands
Goldfish
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
It's not really a big deal, but the Northern provinces still seem too large to me. The Whitelands, Winterlands, and Dreadlands could each be halved with the resulting provinces still being among the largest in Westeros.Alright, then I'm fine with giving that area to the Rikkers. There will be plenty of traitor houses to make sure old Brune get his just rewards.
Eh... I'm kinda expecting undead Ironborn when we bring a dragon there. Or some left-over squid-fuckery in the cellars.
Well, if Reynald is here, might as well do it now.
- Dragonstone and Driftmark stay under direct Imperial rule
- Tarth taken from the Stormlands since it's a juicy island linking up our other islands
- incidentally, in this plan, we have absolute control over the Narrow Sea and the major shipping routes, even more so then before
- renamed some stuff:
-- Bay of Crabs -> Greater Darry
-- Oceanlands -> Red Lake
-- Dragonstone -> Northern Crownlands
-- Crownlands -> Southern Crownlands
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
- Location
- USA
Alright, then I'm fine with giving that area to the Rikkers. There will be plenty of traitor houses to make sure old Brune get his just rewards.
Eh... I'm kinda expecting undead Ironborn when we bring a dragon there. Or some left-over squid-fuckery in the cellars.
Well, if Reynald is here, might as well do it now.
- Dragonstone and Driftmark stay under direct Imperial rule
- Tarth taken from the Stormlands since it's a juicy island linking up our other islands
- incidentally, in this plan, we have absolute control over the Narrow Sea and the major shipping routes, even more so then before
- renamed some stuff:
-- Bay of Crabs -> Greater Darry
-- Oceanlands -> Red Lake
-- Dragonstone -> Northern Crownlands
-- Crownlands -> Southern Crownlands
You know that extensive plan to give us ample farmland for our city so we wouldn't have to import from afar? (That and terrace farming, anyway).
We should do the same for Dragonstone and Driftmark. That way 1) Dragonstone can use its natural volcanic soil which we can just scoop into place as we produce arbitrarily large amounts of farmland for islanders and settlers and be the food provider for the Narrow Sea houses at royally privileged cheap prices. And 2) Driftmark can use its new ample soil to grow trees. Lots of trees. To make lots of ships. Valaena could be in charge of our Merchant Marine at some point when she comes of age, and take those skills and turn her House into a powerhouse again as in the days of the Dance, only this time they aren't relying on having Dragonriders to retain those rewards, and those gains won't evaporate in later years.
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- Germany
Maybe like this?
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
- Location
- USA
Maybe like this?
That would be Umbers to the north-east, The Neck under Reed in the south and probably the Tallharts in the west.
That's what I'm talkin' about. The North is as big as the rest of Westeros put together, and three Ducal tier titles would have more power and influence (and population if managed well) than any two or three equivalents put together in the South.
With that delineation, they would be about equal. Maybe better in some cases, Winterfell still has fuck-tonnes of timber and those mountains that the clansmen rule from probably have some decent ores and minerals.
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- Germany
Eh. Maritime trade as a whole will decline somewhat and iron ships will soon replace wooden ships, as the price of steel is plummeting.
Also, DP brought forth the idea to pacify The Marches by installing an outsider lord who can keep the whole mess in line. Namely Valaena. I'm not married to the idea, but it's neat and the marcher lords will definitely grow a lot quieter when they have a dragon flying overhead.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
- Location
- USA
I like the idea, though I would have thought she'd want to rule from a Port...
Meh, we can always ask her what she thinks.
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- Germany
@LonelyWolf999, your opinion on this?Maybe like this?
That would be Umbers to the north-east, The Neck under Reed in the south and probably the Tallharts in the west.
Mind you that the easy PoE access we've established means that mineral wealth will be less valuable in the future. I think overall that the Umberlands will, despite being the largest governorship of Westeros, be among the poorer, as they lack population and good farmland. We can obviously magic something up there, but they will always play catch-up with the south. So nominally large and powerful, but actually mostly wilderness. Much of central Essos will be in the same boat.