Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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I'd love for you to try and explain how her end goal of the betterment of everyone under her rule with no exceptions is wrong and horrible.

Positive egalitarianism isn't a bad thing.
...You dont see why going "imma fucking go MAX ORDER on humanity" will be a bad thing?

I mean if you cant see why going too extreme is a bad thing... I dunno what to say
 
Cai: "I hope to improve the lot of those I rule over. I aim to ensure their lives are stable and fulfilling.

Also, I'm closing tax loopholes."

Thread: TYRANT!1!!!!!1!11!!
 
I just feel her stance is kinda vague? I maybe am wrong, but did the girls ever talk about any kind of plan beyond the sect?
Unless I've missed something we haven't even got a plan for what we're doing in the sect. Like, Oppression Mom set some goals, but I can't remember a single point in time where we got the group together and set out some expectations of where we need to be and if/how we can help each other get there.
It's a bit worrying to be honest, since I'd expect better management skills from Cai at least.

...You dont see why going "imma fucking go MAX ORDER on humanity" will be a bad thing?
Where are you getting "max order" from? That's her mom's things, which she explicitly tempers with a desire for a life of fulfilment for her citizens. She's not fucking Jyggalag, hell even Oppression Mom isn't Jyggalag.
 
Oi. No need to start another wave of this. Everybody can leave well enough alone, whether you like Cai or not.
 
Where are you getting "max order" from? That's her mom's things, which she explicitly tempers with a desire for a life of fulfilment for her citizens. She's not fucking Jyggalag, hell even Oppression Mom isn't Jyggalag.
Im saying I dont think I'm confident she's going to stick with that.
CRX isn't MAX ORDER though—that's Cai Shenhua's thing. Cai Renxiang is Justice.
And I'm saying I think her Justice will be something she won't reign in enough.
Oi. No need to start another wave of this. Everybody can leave well enough alone, whether you like Cai or not.
Sure
 
Im saying I dont think I'm confident she's going to stick with that.
Why?
Like, I can understand being worried because this is a story and examining Cai's motivations in depth, watching her shift, adjust and even need to be reigned in by us the kind of drama that seems almost required for this kind of story--though the existence of Oppression Mom makes some of that redundant as she already embodies the idea to a large degree.
But I'm not sure why else you might be particularly worried about CRX in particular.
 
Why?
Like, I can understand being worried because this is a story and examining Cai's motivations in depth, watching her shift, adjust and even need to be reigned in by us the kind of drama that seems almost required for this kind of story--though the existence of Oppression Mom makes some of that redundant as she already embodies the idea to a large degree.
But I'm not sure why else you might be particularly worried about CRX in particular.

Dude, it's been dropped. I can bet that there's plenty of people who still have doubts about Cai, but are willing to keep silent unless something comes up. I know that I'm one of them. No need to go kicking up a storm just yet, it's not like we're in some kinda Cai-xit vote.
 
Anyway, here's an alternative skill plan that aims to give is the possibility of as many level ups this turn as possible - as well as giving us Speech for that cool social bard style.

Fortitude is put down to 1 because we don't have any arts on it this turn and we only need 1 point to level it (also it's less in theme for this turn anyway). Speech at 3 to make getting D safer, and because we're unlikely to get a speech art any time soon. War at 3 because that gives us good odds of F War even without EANP. Resilience at 3 because if we train SES we want to take advantage of it (and it sets us up to level it next month potentially).

Finally, with the last points we could just bump Composure up to 3 on the off chance (1 in 27!) that it could level up and we could then ignore it :p That being said, 2 dice in fade would allow us to level it next turn, so that's probably a better investment.

[X] Skill plan: Sweetly Social Songs
-[X] Manipulation* 3, Presence* 3, Composure* 2 (16 points)
-[X] War 3, Perceptiveness** 3, Fortitude 1, Resilience* 3, Fade 2, Empathy* 3, Speech 3 (18 points)
-[X] Woodwind* 3 (6 points)

This plan works fine with both month plans - EANP just gets more War do, while SES gets more Resilience. Both however should be able to meet level up targets in good order.

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[X] Drugged-Fueled Musical Battle Royale
 
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[X] Skill plan: Sweetly Social Songs
 
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Dude, it's been dropped. I can bet that there's plenty of people who still have doubts about Cai, but are willing to keep silent unless something comes up. I know that I'm one of them. No need to go kicking up a storm just yet, it's not like we're in some kinda Cai-xit vote.
Now for me to start going fucking ham on HOW THE TRUE PROTAGONIST WAS ZHENGUI ALL ALONG
 
And I'm saying I think her Justice will be something she won't reign in enough.

What? Justice is not something to be 'reigned in', it is to be upheld and pursued by all decent men and women.

Dude, it's been dropped. I can bet that there's plenty of people who still have doubts about Cai, but are willing to keep silent unless something comes up. I know that I'm one of them. No need to go kicking up a storm just yet, it's not like we're in some kinda Cai-xit vote.

No. No, no, no. Don't act like it was qwolfs that brought this whole thing up. He wasn't the one claiming that we've made a huge mistake and that we should jump ship.
 
quasi legal system fuckery and nepotism style
Interesting. I'm reading this as mostly being Cai swearing off all the stuff like the shenanigans that surrounded the arranging of the tournament last year. However, IIRC Shenhua was totally willing to take advantage of that sort of thing (she didn't mess with anything because she wanted to test CRX rather than any sort of principle regarding nepotism), which may be a sort of cue for some future friction.

[X] Drugged-Fueled Musical Battle Royale
[X] Battle Royale Skills
 
[X] Plan CRX won't bully us with her dispels anymore
[X] Skill plan: Sweetly Social Songs
 
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"That your skills as a musician may be the more important one," Cai Renxiang replied seriously as she stepped past her, heading for the exit. "You require more training… and more than a little discipline, but a more public diplomatic role may suite your skills better. Come, I would like to discuss the thematics I would like you to incorporate for your performance at this months gathering"

Sixiang, silent until now started laughing, and Ling Qi's eyebrow twitched.

...More mingling, just what she wanted. It seemed that the sacrifices were just beginning.

Ah, I see Cai Renxiang has figured out the appropriate stick to get Ling Qi to focus on her Ninja stuff.

That if she keeps doubling down on music, she makes for a far more effective PR girl than a ninja.

Boy, you can just hear Ling Qi's internal screaming.
 
Ah, I see Cai Renxiang has figured out the appropriate stick to get Ling Qi to focus on her Ninja stuff.

That if she keeps doubling down on music, she makes for a far more effective PR girl than a ninja.

Boy, you can just hear Ling Qi's internal screaming.
Well, we can fix this.

The problem is Ling Qi doesn't like socialising with people she doesn't know.

The solution is obvious:

Make sure we know everything about everyone we have to talk to. Then they won't really be strangers and we'll be able to talk to them about things that aren't the weather!
 
Dude, it's been dropped. I can bet that there's plenty of people who still have doubts about Cai, but are willing to keep silent unless something comes up. I know that I'm one of them. No need to go kicking up a storm just yet, it's not like we're in some kinda Cai-xit vote.
@BurningIce53 is of course welcome to choose to not discuss the topic. But I don't see why the discussion should be dropped simply because you don't think there is enough information, particularly since they clearly have enough information to have a formed an opinion they felt was worth sharing publicly.

The solution is obvious:

Make sure we know everything about everyone we have to talk to. Then they won't really be strangers and we'll be able to talk to them about things that aren't the weather!
These kinds of solutions are literally why I read Xianxa. Always wanted a *taps head* moment of my own.
 
I love the aesthetics of Night Parade, and don't really like the immobility of SES, so here we go!

[X] Drugged-Fueled Musical Battle Royale
[X] Battle Royale Skills

Also, pet peeve. It's EANP not ENAP. Night Parade, Night Parade. Evanescent Anthem of the Night Parade not Evanescent Night of the Anthem Parade.
Adhoc vote count started by Kai Merah on Jan 31, 2019 at 1:26 AM, finished with 7893 posts and 32 votes.

  • [X] Battle Royale Skills
    [X] Plan CRX won't bully us with her dispels anymore
    -[X] Invest 8 GSS, also use 8 free YSS
    -[X] Medium Pills (free)
    -[X] Buy and use Unwavering Discipline Pill (30 SP) and Melodic Elixir (60 SP) (Total 90 SP)
    -[X] EPC bonus XP into Physical
    -[X] Physical Cultivation x2
    -[X] EPC x4
    -[X] FSS x4
    -[X] FVM x2
    -[X] HDW x3
    -[X] SES x4
    -[X] Challenge Research x1
    -[X] New default Art loadout: de-equip AE, AM, AC, AS, FZ, FSA; equip HDW, SES
    [X] Drugged-Fueled Musical Battle Royale
    [X] Battle Royale Skills
    -[X] Manipulation* 3, Presence* 3, Composure* 2 (16 points)
    -[X] War* 3, Perceptiveness** 3, Fortitude 3, Resilience 3, Fade 3, Empathy* 3 (18 points)
    -[X] Woodwind* 3 (6 points)
    [X] Plan Music Month
    -[X] Invest 8 GSS, also use 8 free YSS
    -[X] Medium Pills (free)
    -[X] Buy and use Unwavering Discipline Pill (30 SP) and Melodic Elixir (60 SP) (Total 90 SP)
    -[X] EPC bonus XP into Physical
    -[X] Physical Cultivation x2
    -[X] EPC x4
    -[X] FSS x4
    -[X] FVM x3
    -[X] HDW x3
    -[X] SES x3
    -[X] Challenge Research x1
    -[X] New default Art loadout: de-equip AE, AM, AC, AS, FZ, FSA; equip HDW, SES
    [X] Skill plan: Sweetly Social Songs
    [X] Drugged-Fueled Musical Battle Royale
    -[X] Invest 8 GSS, also use 8 free YSS
    -[X] Medium Pills (free)
    -[X] Buy and use Unwavering Discipline Pill (30 SP) and Melodic Elixir (60 SP) (Total 90 SP)
    -[X] EPC bonus XP into Spiritual
    -[X] Physical Cultivation x2
    -[X] EPC x4
    -[X] FSS x4
    -[X] FVM x3
    -[X] HDW x3
    -[X] EANP x4
    -[X] New default Art loadout: de-equip AE, AM, AC, FZ; equip HDW, EANP
    [X] Grind stealth until Cai re-revaluates you.
    [X]Plan Harmonic Convergence
    -[X] Invest 8 GSS, also use 8 free YSS
    -[X] Medium Pills (free)
    -[X] Buy and use Unwavering Discipline Pill (30 SP) and Melodic Elixir (60 SP) (Total 90 SP)
    -[X] EPC bonus XP into Physical
    -[X] Physical Cultivation x2
    -[X] EPC x4
    -[X] FSS x4
    -[X] FVM x3
    -[X] HDW x3
    -[X] EANP x3
    -[X]Challenge research 1
    -[X] New default Art loadout: de-equip AE, AM, FZ(and AC if necessary for meridians); equip HDW, EANP
    [X] SES plan Skills
    -[X] Manipulation* 3, Presence* 3, Composure* 2, Resolve* 2 (20 points)
    -[X] War 1, Perceptiveness** 3, Fortitude 2, Resilience* 3, Fade 2, Empathy* 3 (14 points)
    -[X] Woodwind* 3 (6 points)
    [X] SES plan Skills
    [X] Skill plan: Sweetly Social Songs
    -[X] Manipulation* 3, Presence* 3, Composure* 2 (16 points)
    -[X] War 3, Perceptiveness** 3, Fortitude 1, Resilience* 3, Fade 2, Empathy* 3, Speech 3 (18 points)
    -[X] Woodwind* 3 (6 points)
 
Add me to the people that would have been confused at the original version of Cai's words.

[X] Plan CRX won't bully us with her dispels anymore
Adhoc vote count started by VNodosaurus on Jan 31, 2019 at 1:30 AM, finished with 7894 posts and 32 votes.

  • [X] Battle Royale Skills
    [X] Plan CRX won't bully us with her dispels anymore
    -[X] Invest 8 GSS, also use 8 free YSS
    -[X] Medium Pills (free)
    -[X] Buy and use Unwavering Discipline Pill (30 SP) and Melodic Elixir (60 SP) (Total 90 SP)
    -[X] EPC bonus XP into Physical
    -[X] Physical Cultivation x2
    -[X] EPC x4
    -[X] FSS x4
    -[X] FVM x2
    -[X] HDW x3
    -[X] SES x4
    -[X] Challenge Research x1
    -[X] New default Art loadout: de-equip AE, AM, AC, AS, FZ, FSA; equip HDW, SES
    [X] Drugged-Fueled Musical Battle Royale
    [X] Battle Royale Skills
    -[X] Manipulation* 3, Presence* 3, Composure* 2 (16 points)
    -[X] War* 3, Perceptiveness** 3, Fortitude 3, Resilience 3, Fade 3, Empathy* 3 (18 points)
    -[X] Woodwind* 3 (6 points)
    [X] Plan Music Month
    -[X] Invest 8 GSS, also use 8 free YSS
    -[X] Medium Pills (free)
    -[X] Buy and use Unwavering Discipline Pill (30 SP) and Melodic Elixir (60 SP) (Total 90 SP)
    -[X] EPC bonus XP into Physical
    -[X] Physical Cultivation x2
    -[X] EPC x4
    -[X] FSS x4
    -[X] FVM x3
    -[X] HDW x3
    -[X] SES x3
    -[X] Challenge Research x1
    -[X] New default Art loadout: de-equip AE, AM, AC, AS, FZ, FSA; equip HDW, SES
    [X] Skill plan: Sweetly Social Songs
    [X] Drugged-Fueled Musical Battle Royale
    -[X] Invest 8 GSS, also use 8 free YSS
    -[X] Medium Pills (free)
    -[X] Buy and use Unwavering Discipline Pill (30 SP) and Melodic Elixir (60 SP) (Total 90 SP)
    -[X] EPC bonus XP into Spiritual
    -[X] Physical Cultivation x2
    -[X] EPC x4
    -[X] FSS x4
    -[X] FVM x3
    -[X] HDW x3
    -[X] EANP x4
    -[X] New default Art loadout: de-equip AE, AM, AC, FZ; equip HDW, EANP
    [X] Grind stealth until Cai re-revaluates you.
    [X]Plan Harmonic Convergence
    -[X] Invest 8 GSS, also use 8 free YSS
    -[X] Medium Pills (free)
    -[X] Buy and use Unwavering Discipline Pill (30 SP) and Melodic Elixir (60 SP) (Total 90 SP)
    -[X] EPC bonus XP into Physical
    -[X] Physical Cultivation x2
    -[X] EPC x4
    -[X] FSS x4
    -[X] FVM x3
    -[X] HDW x3
    -[X] EANP x3
    -[X]Challenge research 1
    -[X] New default Art loadout: de-equip AE, AM, FZ(and AC if necessary for meridians); equip HDW, EANP
    [X] SES plan Skills
    -[X] Manipulation* 3, Presence* 3, Composure* 2, Resolve* 2 (20 points)
    -[X] War 1, Perceptiveness** 3, Fortitude 2, Resilience* 3, Fade 2, Empathy* 3 (14 points)
    -[X] Woodwind* 3 (6 points)
    [X] SES plan Skills
    [X] Skill plan: Sweetly Social Songs
    -[X] Manipulation* 3, Presence* 3, Composure* 2 (16 points)
    -[X] War 3, Perceptiveness** 3, Fortitude 1, Resilience* 3, Fade 2, Empathy* 3, Speech 3 (18 points)
    -[X] Woodwind* 3 (6 points)
 
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Ugh, once again people are pretending that what's happening was totally their choice. I tought us being friend with CRX and changing her into a better person was something we intended to do but whatever.

[X] Plan CRX won't bully us with her dispels anymore

SES is much, much better for our build than EANP, dispel resist is incredibly usefull to us.
 
Ugh, once again people are pretending that what's happening was totally their choice. I tought us being friend with CRX and changing her into a better person was something we intended to do but whatever.
And what exactly is happening? Nothing has really changed. Cai has just stated her future goals. I don't see anything in those goals that show Cai plans to hurt us. I don't see anything in those goals that shows that Cai is planning to be a monster. So what is happening?
 
And what exactly is happening? Nothing has really changed. Cai has just stated her future goals. I don't see anything in those goals that show Cai plans to hurt us. I don't see anything in those goals that shows that Cai is planning to be a monster. So what is happening?
Authoritarian overtones are things that makes people uneasy, even if they knew they were there. This hasn't changed anything and it's everything we knew would happen, but it makes people who want to get CRX to mellow out a bit scared.

[] Skill plan: Sweetly Social Songs
Nice, going to vote for that one in my previous post (in case this delete the plan post I won't do it in this one).
 
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