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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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TalonofAnathrax said:
Think of it this way: we draw two lines (extending the compass), and see where they intersect. That's where the target is. Technically a single step should be enough to work out where the target is if we can get some very precise measurements and are good at maths, but guessing gets far easier if the distance between the place where we started our line is a respectable fraction of the distance between us and the target.
So a few minutes of walking should be enough to pinpoint a static person within the same city, but for someone on the other side of the world we'd want a far larger distance between both uses of the Wayfinder.
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That actually makes sense to me even thought it's half past midnight.

Thank you.:)
 
Also, because the molten gold thing was mentioned, I can't get the image of Viserys doing a spa day out of my head. But instead of sitting in a bathtub full of hot mud, he sits in a furnace full of molten gold.

But he still has two slices of cucumber on his eyes.
 
Azel said:
Also, because the molten gold thing was mentioned, I can't get the image of Viserys doing a spa day out of my head. But instead of sitting in a bathtub full of hot mud, he sits in a furnace full of molten gold.

But he still has two slices of cucumber on his eyes.
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Remember that interlude ages ago, when we saw Viserys use Fiery Burst to heat himself a positively boiling bath?
Imagine that, but in the Mercury Lake in Dragon form and with Shadow of the Doom.
 
Azel said:
Also, because the molten gold thing was mentioned, I can't get the image of Viserys doing a spa day out of my head. But instead of sitting in a bathtub full of hot mud, he sits in a furnace full of molten gold.

But he still has two slices of cucumber on his eyes.
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I always get a kick out when Viserys' inhuman characteristics get brought up in a mundane fashion. I've seriously been considering writing an omake with Viserys holding court while in his Dragon form for shits and giggles.
 
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Azel said:
Also, because the molten gold thing was mentioned, I can't get the image of Viserys doing a spa day out of my head. But instead of sitting in a bathtub full of hot mud, he sits in a furnace full of molten gold.

But he still has two slices of cucumber on his eyes.
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You turn them over and they've got grill marks...
 
Azel said:
Also, because the molten gold thing was mentioned, I can't get the image of Viserys doing a spa day out of my head. But instead of sitting in a bathtub full of hot mud, he sits in a furnace full of molten gold.

But he still has two slices of cucumber on his eyes.
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Slices of Dawn Fruit would be more appropriate.
 
Azel said:
First of, Myrcella us currently 3, not 8.
Second, that we send Joffrey to Robert means that the whole thing will be noticed, implicating Varys.
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Thank you for the clarification. I've calmed down a bit, and put my thoughts in order.

Sorry for snapping at y'all.

What bothered me is thus.

What the hell is the point of doing ruthless and cruel shit if it doesn't even end up benefitting us?

I know it's unreasonable to get mad at people over that. Nobody can see the future, and I doubt even DP could tell you what well be voting for tommorow.

It's just I'm starting to see a pattern with this shit and I don't like it.

So... I'm just gonna drop this.
 
zxzx24 said:
Thank you for the clarification. I've calmed down a bit, and put my thoughts in order.

Sorry for snapping at y'all.

What bothered me is thus.

What the hell is the point of doing ruthless and cruel shit if it doesn't even end up benefitting us?

I know it's unreasonable to get mad at people over that. Nobody can see the future, and I doubt even DP could tell you what well be voting for tommorow.

It's just I'm starting to see a pattern with this shit and I don't like it.

So... I'm just gonna drop this.
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You just seemed to be a tad late to the party. I already ranted and raved about all of this, and what made it barely acceptable, since I was going a little off the wagon there for a bit, was that I did it before the vote had closed.

You did it way after the fact.

You thus come off a little off-base, rather than just delayed in your expression of outrage.
 
zxzx24 said:
Thank you for the clarification. I've calmed down a bit, and put my thoughts in order.

Sorry for snapping at y'all.

What bothered me is thus.

What the hell is the point of doing ruthless and cruel shit if it doesn't even end up benefitting us?

I know it's unreasonable to get mad at people over that. Nobody can see the future, and I doubt even DP could tell you what well be voting for tommorow.

It's just I'm starting to see a pattern with this shit and I don't like it.

So... I'm just gonna drop this.
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But we didn't do any pointlessly ruthless or cruel shit? We thought about it, but decided not to. And in this case, we're doing anything that would mentally traumatize the shitbiscuit.
 
Crake said:
You just seemed to be a tad late to the party. I already ranted and raved about all of this, and what made it barely acceptable, since I was going a little off the wagon there for a bit, was that I did it before the vote had closed.

You did it way after the fact.

You thus come off a little off-base, rather than just delayed in your expression of outrage.
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It's not about what we would have done to her.

It's the fact that what we might have done to her would have just become irrelevant.
 
Is it bad that I want us to make the lesson seem interesting and then make Joffrey leave? Like mentioning a battle or something.
 
zxzx24 said:
It's not about what we would have done to her. Partially.

It's the fact that what we might have done to her would have just become irrelevant.
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People aren't going to appreciate angry ranting unless the vote is actually at risk in swinging in an unwarranted or ill-advised direction. Trust me, I have experience there.
 
I would still argue that the original plan would not have even slightly traumatised her, what with DP's confirmation and all...
Nor was it pointless, Azel had a neat plan behind it, utilizing which was stopped by everyone's morals, which was reflected in the update.
So, case closed :/

zxzx24 said:
It's the fact that what we might have done to her would have just become irrelevant.
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Mate, if we start counting all the "might's" of this quest, we won't ever stop.
 
I am no longer going to dredge up the past as if they are confirmation of the present, seeing as how each situation in principle is unique in context, and also the fact that you can choose to do something else, this is supposed to be a game and not only that but what if a bunch of other voters come in and they feel like their agency is deprived if they can't reconsider a course of action simply because you were part of a few votes months or weeks ago where similar action happened?

It is the responsibility of the writer to justify the course of action voted upon in narrative and in prose, and of the voter to attempt to vote for something that they feel would be a course of action that makes sense.

Liberating Slaver's Bay and then pawning it off on the Archon's a year and a half ago without any plans or intentions of helping them keep it from blowing up would have been an incorrect course of action, seeing as even back then Viserys had already realized the implications of outlawing slavery in a slavery driven economy, which is why our conquest took so long in the first place. We had already infiltrated a ruler's palace by subterfuge, grabbing the reigns of power isn't an issue here, it is actually coupling the reigns of power with the mechanisms of rule that is a problem, and to do that you have to have the support (or at least compliance) of the people you rule over. That takes more things than magic or a strong sword arm.

Thus doing the above is not in character.

But Viserys was bitter about Tywin and Robert prospering upon the corpses of his dead family, including children, and has long struggled with the association of callous cruelty his father committed, whatever the justification, with the responsibilities of rule. How do you define what is justifiable violence, punishment, or even out and out, without legal course, murder? How do you manage to divorce madness and instinct from those actions when you do have to take them?

If we keep bringing up old issues near constantly to justify pushing boundaries for nebulous purposes, I dare say the times we have done "nice things" for people would be used as justification to do thoughtless "feel good" actions that actually have nebulous benefit to the people you are being nice to, and may in fact harm them in the long term.

This ship sinks with everyone on it, for Christ's sake.
 
zxzx24 said:
I know it's unreasonable to get mad at people over that. Nobody can see the future, and I doubt even DP could tell you what well be voting for tommorow.
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egoo said:
Mate, if we start counting all the "might's" of this quest, we won't ever
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(This is just an example, I'm not trying to call you out or anything egoo)

This is another reason for my recent fugue. The threads pace is getting to be almost punishingly fast.

People are dropping, skipping, and zipping like there's no tommorow, and it's not doing good things to my peace of mind.

Im starting to think we should be suggesting things with PMs rather than in the thread.
 
zxzx24 said:
(This is just an example, I'm not trying to call you out or anything egoo)

This is another reason for my recent fugue. The threads pace is getting to be almost punishingly fast.

People are dropping, skipping, and zipping like there's no tommorow, and it's not doing good things to my peace of mind.

Im starting to think we should be suggesting things with PMs rather than in the thread.
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I try not to use PMs for anything but questions, and to provide information/clarification.

Funnily enough, I trust that DP would suggest they take it to the thread if they tried to exclude people from what could be a major decision with IC consequences, seeing as how he has repeatedly said things like "that seems like something that should be voted for" when prompted to do something as a matter of course.

About the only thing murkier there is things concerning allocation of funds towards items, effects, etc. simply because it is infeasible to vote on.

And yet people rarely suggest new things to buy because, I dare say, they have only read a portion of the SRD, if even that.
 
Crake said:
I am no longer going to dredge up the past as if they are confirmation of the present, seeing as how each situation in principle is unique in context, and also the fact that you can choose to do something else, this is supposed to be a game and not only that but what if a bunch of other voters come in and they feel like their agency is deprived if they can't reconsider a course of action simply because you were part of a few votes months or weeks ago where similar action happened?

It is the responsibility of the writer to justify the course of action voted upon in narrative and in prose, and of the voter to attempt to vote for something that they feel would be a course of action that makes sense.

Liberating Slaver's Bay and then pawning it off on the Archon's a year and a half ago without any plans or intentions of helping them keep it from blowing up would have been an incorrect course of action, seeing as even back then Viserys had already realized the implications of outlawing slavery in a slavery driven economy, which is why our conquest took so long in the first place. We had already infiltrated a ruler's palace by subterfuge, grabbing the reigns of power isn't an issue here, it is actually coupling the reigns of power with the mechanisms of rule that is a problem, and to do that you have to have the support (or at least compliance) of the people you rule over. That takes more things than magic or a strong sword arm.

Thus doing the above is not in character.

But Viserys was bitter about Tywin and Robert prospering upon the corpses of his dead family, including children, and has long struggled with the association of callous cruelty his father committed, whatever the justification, with the responsibilities of rule. How do you define what is justifiable violence, punishment, or even out and out, without legal course, murder? How do you manage to divorce madness and instinct from those actions when you do have to take them?

If we keep bringing up old issues near constantly to justify pushing boundaries for nebulous purposes, I dare say the times we have done "nice things" for people would be used as justification to do thoughtless "feel good" actions that actually have nebulous benefit to the people you are being nice to, and may in fact harm them in the long term.

This ship sinks with everyone on it, for Christ's sake.
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I read this three times and understood 0% of it, please help?

Crake said:
And yet people rarely suggest new things to buy because, I dare say, they have only read a portion of the SRD, if even that.
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We still have that entire list of magical plants. Including magic horse grass.

Damn that magic horse grass is amazing.
 
Crake said:
About the only thing murkier there is things concerning allocation of funds towards items, effects, etc. simply because it is infeasible to vote on.

And yet people rarely suggest new things to buy because, I dare say, they have only read a portion of the SRD, if even that.
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I try to help anyone who has questions about item creation and welcome suggestions for crafting that are feasible for our budget and the abilities of our crafters.

It's like you say, though; one needs some degree of familiarity with the system to participate at that level.
 
zxzx24 said:
We still have that entire list of magical plants. Including magic horse grass.

Damn that magic horse grass is amazing.
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And this is the point where I'd like to officially remind everyone, that I'm keeping track of Minor Actions for the following months already, and would appreciate any suggestions.

Like, for one, this nebulous horse weed of which I can't remember pretty much anything.

@zxzx24, would you mind drawing up a list of said herbs to buy next turn, so l'll mark it down?
 
To play a D&D Artificer, you need a PhD in D20 bullshit and expertise in DM-wrangling.

To play a proper Batman wizard, all that's needed is a set of 10 Excel sheets, proper macros and a Masters in Vancian optimization.

To play a fighter, all that you need is the ability to generate new characters quickly when you die like a bitch twice per session.

:p
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
To play a D&D Artificer, you need a PhD in D20 bullshit and expertise in DM-wrangling.

To play a proper Batman wizard, all that's needed is a set of 10 Excel sheets, proper macros and a Masters in Vancian optimization.

To play a fighter, all that you need is the ability to generate new characters quickly when you die like a bitch twice per session.

:p
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I can only give one rating, so have a :lol:rofl::lol:rofl: to go along with your lightbulb.
 
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