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Again, why? Why the hell are people so insistent on throwing a politically charged title at them for no reason at all?
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Crake
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Though even the kids who don't want to sit around knitting and gossiping would be fine with being given the title, displaying clearly that they appreciate the prestige and trust ordinarily implicit in the position. Also there is clearly more variance in the meaning of the position than those three, seeing as how Kyla is Braavosi and DP noted she'd be just as pleased (though that might have more to do with the fact that it is Dany and she has some understanding of Westerosi norms).
Edit: With that said, just encourage them to become PCs eventually and maybe they can become Companions. You never know.
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You're overblowing this, dude. DP has already said that everyone involved would be happy with it.
Crake
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It's less him objecting over the grounds of anyone being drawn into something they would not enjoy, and more a personal objection to lending focus to it in the first place.
He could have made that clearer rather than just disparaging the position heavily, but still.
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This isn't about the kids being happy with it or not.
You want to give them a political title. That has ramifications. And no, their happiness is not the one I care about.
What I care about is setting precedent to littering the Imperial Palace with useless hanger-ons, because once we make this a thing, people will want their kids to get all that sweet prestige too. And as part of their title, they will have easy access to Dany, allowing them to push political agendas.
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I'm not entirely sure where I was "heavily disparaging". All I did was express my doubts about the baggage this move would bring with it.
And since there seems to be literally no reason to do it except the girls being happy about having gotten some kind of title, I'm now in fact strictly against it.
Goldfish
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I'm just as confused by your insistence on this, dude. You're advocating for Dany to participate in a cultural practice that is as alien to her upbringing as seafaring is to the Dothraki. She grew up in Braavos, thinks in Low Valyrian, and even her mother acknowledged within her inner thoughts that Dany is a foreigner in King's Landing.
It's not about whether they would be happy in those circumstances, but would Dany even consider it, and if she did, why she would desire such an arrangement.
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And saying no to the useless petitioners isn't the obvious option? Our court being filled with useless people was always a given. It's honestly sounding like you're making this out to be a huge stumbling block when it really isn't.
Oh, don't worry, I'd given up a few posts back. I just want to see this argument through to its conclusion.
ryuan
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I'm not sure we even need that title in the first place. I mean, do you expect Lya to have ladies in waiting?
We're making our own kingdom, we can make our own court-like proceedings if we want.
Besides any eccentricities can be buried beneath the Targaryenmadness Eccentricity and AI:AD
We're making our own kingdom, we can make our own court-like proceedings if we want.
Besides any eccentricities can be buried beneath the Targaryen
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Look. My core issues:
- This creates precedent for an official court position that is, by definition, devoid of all useful purpose. That's bad. We don't need this.
- You are reinforcing the idea of girls being expected to play servant to someone, in this case the princess of the realm. What we want is Valeana, not Sansa. But this is how you get Sansa.
- I can't see any indication that the current arrangement is in any way bad for all involved, nor that this would improve anything. In effect, they would be happy about the recognition and having something special to tie them to Dany, but that's about it.
And this is, in the sum total, really not worth it. We got servants for the actual servanting, and we certainly don't need Olenna Tyrell sending us Margeary as a lady-in-waiting for Dany so that she can better spy on the court.
I get you intention, but this is a bad way of going about it.
If they actually manage to get past my proposal, I would name them apprentices under Dany. Clear meaning, clear recognition, no baggage, no Sansas.
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Is there anything about Westeros that we don't need to fix?
I think they still use oxygen and carbon properly?
Vague future thoughts, but what if we had Stannis teach a class on Duty In Mortal Realms for Outsiders? He has the type of absolute concept of Duty that might make him more relatable to Aligned Outsiders.
I saw the idea more as helping Dany form her own circle of Companions/B Party for her to improve and shape under her own time and influence.
Yes, it has prior associations and political intentions, but rather than using that to shut down the idea, what if we used that to our own ends? Using Dany to redefine the set up so that it's perceived more as someone's own personal Council rather than a knitting party (which is likely how some are using the set up anyway). [Or we could even just use a new term like Azel suggested right above me.]
Right now this moment, I think we can pass on the idea, but once they go through their training, pass or fail secondmenting them to Dany for oversight. Either Dany whips them into shape or she helps them on the journey from level 5 to level 10.
Since we're on the topic of setting up Dany's own circle of Companions, do we have any plans for creating a mini-Richard to act as Dany's sworn-sword? It would take some effort, but Dany having a dedicated tank/trusted sword would probably be quite a relief for some people IC. OOC, it's a PC shaped by Richard, which is honestly probably argument enough.
Goldfish
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No, not apprentices either. That practice comes with its own baggage and isn't any more fitting than hand maiden.
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I'm open for alternate proposals with the only stipulation being that the title must correlate to some form of useful function being performed for the realm.
I'm pretty much set on having Dany oversee the two in some fashion, though sadly we are not a military, so we can't just tell them that Dany is their new CO.
As for a mini-Richard, I think the term you are looking for is Squire. For once, the baggage of that term is perfectly fine.
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A synonym to Companion might work. Comrade and Complement have alliteration benefits, though Attendant is a sort of gender neutral "lady-in-waiting" thing that can have Squire/Apprentice connotations, and at this point Dany would in fact be educating them on the finer points of Adventuring.
Wait, what if we just straight up called them Adventurers? It's a little less formal, but it's not all that out there for our court in general.
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@DragonParadox has Richard thought about getting a Squire? What sort of qualifications would he be looking for?
Crake
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He doesn't need someone to do menial chores for him I imagine (though this is done, nominally, to teach a Squire discipline), but the minimum qualifications for an ordinary Squire is that they be capable of accompanying their sworn knight into battle.
Which, D&D being what it is, might be a little impractical for any apprentice-like figure worthy of the name. This is a relationship that works fine when the level disparity is between Fighter 2 and Fighter 4-5.
It doesn't work out so well between a Fighter 7 and a Fighter 18.
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It would take one hell of an Squire to clean Ser Richard's armor without getting gored by the Valyrian Steel armor, or being driven insane by Oathkeeper' s bitching 
Crake
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It would take one hell of an Squire to clean Ser Richard's armor without getting gored by the Valyrian Steel armor, or being driven insane by Oathkeeper' s bitching
So basically we need to nab Podrick Payne, The World's Best Squire, at minimum.
Apprenticeships just don't work in adventuring. Magic sure, but not adventuring, because of the rapidly escalating nature of the risks.
Ser Richard's squire would basically have to be Fighter Daenerys, by which I mean a character with a higher level than their age whose growth shows no sign of stopping.
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Ser Cedric Payne might come to the tourney, and might have Podrick amongst his staff. His Westerland origins would likely put him on priority Inquisition watch, but he's not actually a Lannister so he should be let in.
Crake
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On the one hand, A) I suspect Tywin Whammied all of his chief bannermen and put pet mages on them to ensure the enchantments would stick. And B) I think most Westerlanders are terrified of him enough that they wouldn't come anywhere near us without being explicitly ordered to do so by Tywin himself, lest they be suspected of treason.
And technically with all the Knights, some likely from prominent noble families, taking part in this tourney, the Crown is amusingly enough basically forced to ignore the entire affair as if it never happened or risk sparking off a civil war they're not any more prepared to deal with than we are ourselves. It's the more amusing dichotomy of the state of affairs that grabs me than anything else, the Lannisters can't act too overtly, frankly Tywin only got away with probably brainwashing his bannermen due to it happening inside lands he's basically got meticulous control and authority over. Hoster bitchslapped his remarks about not keeping his bannermen in line with an errant slap, and this makes entirely too much sense seeing as how in terms of dynastic alliances and political positions, Hoster has the support of two other Lord Paramounts, whereas the Reach has been outside paths to power for nearly a decade, Stannis is now in control of the Stormlands, and the Crownlands are split between Targ loyalists and lackeys bickering with each other.
Meanwhile, Viserys has the (still nominal but better placed) support of the Iron Isles, a slowly growing faction of Vale lords (probably enough to take them out of any war against us), a few major Riverlands Houses (with the rest probably ambivalent towards Tywin and Robert), somewhat cool but positive relations with the North (and constantly thawing), a debt of honor if not support from the current Lord of the Stormlands, and a heavily divided Reach that neither side is currently poised to take heavy advantage of. And the entirety of Dorne.
That just about makes things even, honestly. Even without significantly major support from more, we have our own military forces (enough to fight a war, though maybe not necessarily come out smelling like roses), and all it would take is a couple of really bad reversals for Tywin to start losing any allies he does manage to gain, seeing as how he trades on fear and gold, and if your allies fear the other side more, and don't think they'll live to spend the gold, they'll ditch you quickly.
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Everything's pocket-sized if you are Huge.
Check out Game Of Thrones S6, parts with Hound (ep 7 I think). They cook something that looks just like potatoes there. And yes I know that quest is based on ASOIAF.
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[X] Azel
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But she wouldn't want kids there.
If she really wants to revive that useless position I wouldn't vote to stop her, but she can find her own ladies.
Not while she's busy infiiltrating our enemies capital though.