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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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Yeah I see the Glyra assignment as sort of the equivalent of forcing a kid to smoke through an entire pack at once if you catch them smoking. Hopefully not as damaging to the lungs.
Yeah I see the Glyra assignment as sort of the equivalent of forcing a kid to smoke through an entire pack at once if you catch them smoking. Hopefully not as damaging to the lungs.
ryuan
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That sounds more like an incentive to start smoking than a deterrent, I mean, you give a highly addictive substance to someone in the hopes that they don't get addicted to it? What kind of crazy troll logic is that?
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At the end of this month actually and yes, it's kinda the Olympics.
I'm not really sold on that. Why exactly would Dany need the two of them as servants?
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The idea is that going through an entire package at once is so difficult and nasty that they get turned off, nicotine or no. It'd be even tougher to get through for someone who hasn't really smoked before, which this kid would be. I guess another analogy would be the kid who pukes from eating an entire bag of chocolate at once and is turned off of chocolate for years afterwards.
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In my head the festival was going to be built up through the whole month with minor events, teasers, and exhibitions, with the final week culminating in the festival itself. I guess I should have specified that in the plan, eh?
Does that jive with your plans, @DragonParadox?
As for the handmaiden question, I don't really see the point. Dany doesn't need handmaidens, she doesn't appear to want them, and wouldn't know what to do with them is she had any. At the same time, the girls have better stuff to do (anything) than play servant to Dany.
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Crake
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"Fewer."
Crake
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So the way I'm seeing it, we have some obligations to uphold towards Yohn still, so we shouldn't go behind his back on this like we did with Monford. For one thing, Monford needed a bit of a reality check and Valaena was just an extension into that, for another beyond strategically Monford's position being lesser than Yohn's, and the fact that technically her coming under our care did not necessarily exclude taking up official service with us.
We owe Ysilla protection in this situation from all sources, as part of the agreement of her coming south, whether in so many words or not, that was implicit, and rules lawyering that protection into placing her in direct danger to circumvent greater danger in the future doesn't really work out. There is also the fact that I feel Lord Fairwind would feel similarly about it, even if he would not necessarily object to her eventually becoming an adventurer out of hand, right now she's just a child, and not a Wyrmling child like Dany, but an actual child.
I would say take their requests to be taken seriously and not treated as mere children, and make sure they have (rather hard and difficult) training. So far it is possible for our mages to grow to at least level 5 without being put in serious risk of danger.
If they manage to reach this point without actually adventuring, we can revisit this discussion since they are basically as capable magically as a grown adult, and won't grow more capable than that by any other means than by adventuring.
We owe Ysilla protection in this situation from all sources, as part of the agreement of her coming south, whether in so many words or not, that was implicit, and rules lawyering that protection into placing her in direct danger to circumvent greater danger in the future doesn't really work out. There is also the fact that I feel Lord Fairwind would feel similarly about it, even if he would not necessarily object to her eventually becoming an adventurer out of hand, right now she's just a child, and not a Wyrmling child like Dany, but an actual child.
I would say take their requests to be taken seriously and not treated as mere children, and make sure they have (rather hard and difficult) training. So far it is possible for our mages to grow to at least level 5 without being put in serious risk of danger.
If they manage to reach this point without actually adventuring, we can revisit this discussion since they are basically as capable magically as a grown adult, and won't grow more capable than that by any other means than by adventuring.
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Is that enough time to get attention from everywhere that the festivals a thing? Non-magical travel isn't that fast after all. Its the 10th as of the last update, so I doubt a week and a half will get anywhere near the amount of attention you presumably want. Whats the travel time by ship from 1 side of the narrow sea to another? I thought it was at last a week or so?
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Considering the in-thread discussion of the festival, which began weeks ago, and the necessary travel times, DP allowed us to have retroactively sent the invitations out several weeks ago.
Crake
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We announced events in advance per ruling by DP that we sent out word in the middle of last month, so we have a couple of more weeks of advance notice, and someone calculated that someone as far away as the North could have gotten word and sailed to SD in three weeks.
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That's not really what I meant, @Azel. Rather than a maidservant, a handmaiden would be more of a highborn companion/confidante for the princess or queen. I guess lady-in-waiting would have been better to describe it? For example, Rhaella used to have Joanna Lannister as one of her ladies-in-waiting.
I am not proposing making them Dany's servants, I am proposing basically making them part of Dany's retinue, in line with DP's confirmation that the girls in question would be pleased with the arrangements. As time goes on, noble girls from other parts of the Imperium can join them if Dany likes them enough.
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I am amused by the concept of getting her own pack of hellions to mould in her image. 
Though she could sincerely do that without official positions like handmaiden swirling about her, likely bickering and dithering over honors in some cases, or coming in under mistaken apprehensions of what it would be like (the parents, that is, there is virtually no chance Dany wouldn't befriend most of them if she had a mind to, and they would at least initially be open to the befriending given the difference in social capital, but that would inevitably result in every girl wanting to be like Dany, which is to say a badass little lady who takes no guff and tries to help people with all their might and will).
I feel like dealing with Yohn on this matter is a serious element we were inevitably going to come up against and could benefit from running up into. It's one thing to introduce this obvious change in gender roles into traditionalists, and I think eventually it will go over well enough since besides being traditional, we've also been directly recruiting the reasonable authority figures first (like trying to entice Paxter Redwyne over Mace Tyrell? LIke holy shit, under ordinary circumstances vis a vis politics that could be interpreted as the ultimate snub to a high lord). It's adding on "introducing children to dangerous situations" on top of it.
With that said, if they can cast like a fully trained Scholarum initiate, they would literally be no less capable of dealing with a problem than some full grown adults going to war or exploring through death world environments on a regular basis.
Probably more capable, given the likelihood they will turn into PCs in no time at all. Valaena grew seriously fast... I would be shocked if she didn't gain another level or two by the time she returns from the East.
Though she could sincerely do that without official positions like handmaiden swirling about her, likely bickering and dithering over honors in some cases, or coming in under mistaken apprehensions of what it would be like (the parents, that is, there is virtually no chance Dany wouldn't befriend most of them if she had a mind to, and they would at least initially be open to the befriending given the difference in social capital, but that would inevitably result in every girl wanting to be like Dany, which is to say a badass little lady who takes no guff and tries to help people with all their might and will).
I feel like dealing with Yohn on this matter is a serious element we were inevitably going to come up against and could benefit from running up into. It's one thing to introduce this obvious change in gender roles into traditionalists, and I think eventually it will go over well enough since besides being traditional, we've also been directly recruiting the reasonable authority figures first (like trying to entice Paxter Redwyne over Mace Tyrell? LIke holy shit, under ordinary circumstances vis a vis politics that could be interpreted as the ultimate snub to a high lord). It's adding on "introducing children to dangerous situations" on top of it.
With that said, if they can cast like a fully trained Scholarum initiate, they would literally be no less capable of dealing with a problem than some full grown adults going to war or exploring through death world environments on a regular basis.
Probably more capable, given the likelihood they will turn into PCs in no time at all. Valaena grew seriously fast... I would be shocked if she didn't gain another level or two by the time she returns from the East.
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To be fair, Valaena got power leveled at a rate second only to Maelor. She's been sent on multiple missions that involved combat against a variety of dangerous creatures, with just enough support to reasonably insure her safety while still introducing an element of genuine danger. It's not an easy balance to achieve and we couldn't have done it without having the proper party composition to send with her.
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This wasn't with the intention of handing out the position left and right, this is just Kyla and Ysilla who are already Dany's friends while giving Dany total control of who else she'd like to add to her retinue. I think the problems here are being overblown. It would only devolve into the bickering over honors if Dany allowed it to by choosing the wrong types of people, and she's a pretty good judge of character.I am amused by the concept of getting her own pack ofhellionsto mould in her image.
Though she could sincerely do that without official positions like handmaiden swirling about her, likely bickering and dithering over honors in some cases, or coming in under mistaken apprehensions of what it would be like (the parents, that is, there is virtually no chance Dany wouldn't befriend most of them if she had a mind to, and they would at least initially be open to the befriending given the difference in social capital, but that would inevitably result in every girl wanting to be like Dany, which is to say a badass little lady who takes no guff and tries to help people with all their might and will).
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Again, what's the point? The lady-in-waiting is nothing more then a small substitute court presided over by a princess, queen or similar. The logic behind it is that she needs some company while embroidering, praying and doing other womenfolk thingies.
Depending on your reading, even Viserys doesn't have a court. Or you consider the Companions his court, in which case, Dany is a fully integrated part of it already. And so are the girls.
In any case, even though I'm doubting the sense of this, I would rather hold it back for the moment when Ysilla and Kyla return to keep, their spirits crushed by Glyra and the Inquisition.
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No real objections.
She also learned some valuable life lessons!
From Richard and Vee: How to Stick 'Em With the Pointy End and Which Bits Need To Be Stuck
From Bronn: How To Hide Your Pointy End and Make Sure They Never See It Coming
From Argo: How To TAKE THE POINTY END WITH YOUR CHEST
And From Maelor: How To Obviate the Need For the Pointy End
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And useless, they are more than capable of this level of research, they are in fact no strangers to host research even just through what is shown in the MMs with plenty of specialised variants.
Magical Sustenance effects are basic af and they don't face the issues humans do with investing in a multitude of weak citizens unable to afford the effect themselves, they believe in the superiority of their race and lifestyle, plus if I'm not mistaken actually feeding is one of the few pleasures they are capable of experiencing (LoM).
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Or, that whole embroidery thing could be entirely subverted by the fact that Ysilla and Kyla are both mages like Dany herself, and they could go off doing whatever they want. They certainly wouldn't be stuck doing traditional womanly things if they didn't feel like it. It's not like we're making them do it now, I don't see why that would change later.
Anyway, there is no point, no big political reason to do this, etc. I just thought it'd be fun for Dany to collect her own mini-retinue among her playmates. DP already confirmed that the girls would enjoy this when I asked about it a while back, so that's enough for me.
I'm rather confused about the resistance to the idea. This is basically glorified playmates, there really isn't any harm to it.
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This is basically what I'm aiming for. Glyra is their litmus test, both for us to see how they behave when allowed to go out and do stuff (though with heavy supervision) and for them to get a taste of what adventure is like. Then they get additional training. Heavy additional training. On top of their regular Scholarium stuff.
As it is, they feel they are not progressing fast enough, that much is clear, so taking their request seriously and offering more and harsher training make sure that they feel we took their request seriously. On the other hand though, they will fail and the whole matter is buried for now. They won't be able to juggle full Scholarium courses with a hands-on course in espionage, combat and imperial law.
And if they, against all odds, manage it? Then they probably got 2-3 more levels from the experience and I feel comfortable broaching the subject matter with their parents. Ultimately, we can cite Dany as the picture perfect case of willful kids with magic being unwilling to stay put, clearly state that we tried to set them up to fail and that by succeeding, they have actually proven themselves more capable then a good deal of our adult operatives. Which is plenty weird in it's own way, but again, Dany.
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They are incapable of arriving at the series of touch point events necessary to make them ever even consider it. Their mentality is completely alien. And not even "Velen and Yrael are difficult to write because they are Outsiders" alien, I mean literally incomprehensible to the human mind.
It isn't equivalent to making consideration for ethical practices between vat-grown meat being easier to manufacture, enough to replace industrialized animal slaughtering.
Humans are less than cattle to them. They are like grass you feed your cattle. "Something something never take a step if you fear killing ants."
Meaning from their point of view merely existing is impossible if spent any thought at all on the feelings of mortals. You would have to change the way they think so much that they wouldn't even vaguely resemble what they are now. Probably better off exterminating them first, in fact. Tentacle physiology is infectious and icky.
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Glorified playmates is what they currently are. You want to throw a title in there that has a predefined, cultural meaning. Which is "chick to chat with while embroidering" in Westeros, "personal slave servant" in western Essos and "member of the royal harem" in Yi-Ti.
Please don't. This isn't kids playing stuff, this is politics. And I see zero reason to meddle in their relationship just to throw some kind of title in there, which drags everything into politics.
