Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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Most of the elders are indigo or violet. That's more 500 to 600 if I recall correctly?

I don't think we were ever given a life expectancy chart according to the levels of cultivation. But I might be wrong.

Edit : I put the 800 900 years figure because the sect leader fought 400 years ago with the dying elder teaching us against ogodei. For him to be relevant he should have been at elder level already (so at least 250 years old). I guesstimated a bit higher than the minimal range of 650 years of life expectancy because I was thinking of the prism life expectancy and not the violet/indigo one.
 
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Well, it helps solve the issue of how new top 8 entrants can beat the establishment without the established inner sect people being both capable of winning their own tournaments and somehow not progressing at all in a year. It also makes another nice link to the Sect. I could easily imagine a weaker talent commoner, say talent 3, coming into the sect on military scholarship and hitting Early Yellow after 3+ years before going into the military. Exceptional low-talent individuals get rewarded with a return to the sect.

Just imagine it from the perspective of someone who got destroyed in the year-end tournament though (remember that weak participants in the top 16 get fed to the strongest so that strong students don't have to fight each other until later). They get to be stepped on through their early cultivation years in the sect, work their ass off in the military, then get stepped on again in the inner sect, except this time by people even younger than before. Triple the cannon fodder fun.
 
Well, you need Green mooks and bureaucramancers SOMEHOW.
Break spirit that way while making them still much better off materially?
 
You know...I don't think anyone knows we have 20 Contribution Points yet. They're expecting 10. I.e. wagering 10 CP on the challenge is basically "all in" for a new Inner Sect disciple.
Well...
One of her newest possessions came next. A deep green jade badge the size of her palm. It's flat surface held two numbers picked out in silver. First was her rank in the Sect, eight hundred and Thirty and second were her contribution points, in much smaller characters. The numbers changed on their own, thanks to the formations embedded in the jade.

Inner Sect Rank 830
Contribution Points: 20


She only needed to wear it for official functions though, so for now it was tucked into the topmost drawer of her desk.
This and how Ling Qi knows Yu Nuan has 37 CP tells me that people are aware we have 20 CP as long as they want to know.
 
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Turn 2: Arc 2-5
Ling Qi let out a slow breath as she ended her meditation in front of the Argent Vent. Seated cross legged on the smooth stone floor, Ling Qi could feel without looking outside that several hours had passed and night had fallen. Stellar qi tingled at the edges of her senses, even through the width of earth and stone between her and the dim moonlight. Normally, she would be going out to soak in the lunar energies, but tonight, she had other intentions. She had thought long and hard on where she should begin her composition efforts. She had paid a visit to Mother and Biyu, and come close to asking her mother for advice. She had considered going once more to Zeqing, though more briefly. In the end, she had turned away from both choices for the same reason.

For her first challenge against another musician, she wanted a piece that was wholly hers, and there was only one person who could help her in that regard. Sixiang was, for all her flightiness superb at prodding her toward creativity without unduly influencing the result. When she wasn't in a teasing mood anyway. Sixiang had been quiet for weeks now though, barely responding to anything. It concerned her, even if she knew the source. Right now though, she needed the spirits help, and couldn't afford to continue giving her space. "Sixiang," she said aloud, turning her thoughts inward at the same time. "I need your help. Don't you think you've been quiet long enough?"

Ling Qi stared at the mist slowly seeping from the Argent Vent in silence as she waited for a response, eyes tracing the faint geometric shapes that formed and dissolved in the mist. As first seconds and then a minute ticked by, she began to worry, but then she felt a stirring of awareness in her thoughts.

"...Sorry, just busy. Can it wait a bit longer? I'll be done soon," the muses whispery voice whispered distractedly in her thoughts.

"I need to compose a piece within three days," Ling Qi replied dryly. "And… you know, it hurts a little, that you haven't even told me what your doing. We're friends aren't we?"

"...Sorry," Sixiang repeated, sounding dispirited. "I just… It'll be easier to show you. Why don't you go to sleep."

Ling Qi almost shot back an irritated quip, but caught the meaning before the words could leave her lips. "Alright, I suppose I'll see you soon," she replied. Speaking to Sixiang in her dreams was something she had suspected that she could do, but it had never come up.

Heading to her bedroom, Ling Qi was struck by the odd thought that it would be the first time she had slept in the bed provided. The handful of hours of sleep she had taken in the last two months had been snatched in the meditation room. It felt odd to lie down in an actual bed after so long. The pillow was soft, and the bedding perfect in balance between firmness and give. Yet, ultimately, Ling Qi barely noticed as she laid down after changing into nightclothes that she had not worn in months. For her there was no lying awake trying to fall asleep. It was merely an effort of will, cutting off the flow of qi that maintained her more mortal functions, and she felt her consciousness fade. She only hoped that Sixiang could guide her dreams.

A moment of blackness passed, and then Ling Qi opened her eyes to be assaulted by a riot of color. She sat up immediately, looking around in confusion at the thick sea of pillows, blankets and mats that she rested atop. Her hands sank deep into the soft fabric, and for a moment she floundered, almost sinking into the mountain of fluff and fabric. Her limbs felt heavy and clumsy, but she still managed to regain her balance after a moment.

"It's still kind of a mess isn't it?" Sixiang asked wryly, drawing her attention away from her resting place. Looking up, she had to squint to see through the glittering rainbow mist that seemed to shroud everything, but she could make out a few things. A meter or two in front of her the mass of pillows and cushions ended, and a sea of opaque blue-green 'water' began. It was a bit disturbing to look at, though it lapped and rippled realistically, the color was wrong, more like an illustration than reality. Sixiang sat on the shore, with their androgynous back to Ling Qi, their legs were bare and dangled lazily into the 'water'.

"What is this?" Ling Qi asked, managing to stand up after a few moments and begin picking her way across the treacherously soft 'ground'.

"Um, I guess you could say this kinda like my Domain?" Sixiang replied, not looking back at her. "Not bad for a first try, huh? I haven't gotten all the physical bits finished though. I wanted to wait a bit before I invited you in."

Ling Qi rolled those words around in her head, but put off the obvious question for now as she reached the 'shore' The footing was surer here, and she was able to find a cushion to sit on that didn't immediately sink or shift uncomfortably. "Sorry for pushing you. I need my muse though," Ling Qi replied lightly.

"Do you really?" Sixiang replied, finally looking her way. "I'm kinda thoughtless aren't I? All the good stuff comes from you."

Ling Qi remained quiet for a moment, observing Sixiang as they turned their face back to the mist shrouded sea. "...I don't blame you for that Dream. It's not like you could stand up to the whole Bloody Moon or...whatever that was."

"Maybe not, but I could have warned you that it was gonna be trouble. I guess I still didn't really get it."

"Get what exactly?" Ling Qi asked, giving the 'water' another dubious look. It looked vaguely like paint.

"Do you remember when we talked about death?" Sixiang asked absently.

Ling Qi nodded slowly. "That was a weird conversation."

"I didn't really understand how it was scary," Sixiang replied. "I guess its because of how I am, fairies, muses die and are born all the time, the way you humans figure things."

Ling Qi did not reply at first, trailing a finger through the water, it felt normal at least. "How old are you Sixiang?"

"How long ago was you're debut party?" Sixiang asked lightly, answering her question obliquely. "Or...it's hard to put it in way you'll get. I have memories way older than that, but 'Sixiang' isn't even a year old. I didn't understand how losing yourself would be scary, after all, all the bits that were you would end up part of something else, and that's fine."

"...You're right. I don't get it," Ling Qi replied slowly. "Why did that change though? ...Did the Bloody Moon threaten you or something?"

Sixiang grimaced. "No, I could… feel you hurting though, and that made me hurt. And if something happened to you, this dream would end, and I wouldn't get to tease you anymore, or listen to your songs or watch everyone fumble around trying to express themselves and…" Sixiang reached up, toying with a strand of their drifting misty hair as they babbled. "...I didn't want that. I'm not ready to wake up and rejoin grandmother yet," frustration and confusion bled into Sixiang's voice.

Was Sixiang's existence tied that closely to hers? Ling Qi was faintly disturbed by the thought. "I mean, that just makes sense, doesn't it?" Hesitating a moment, Ling Qi reached over and placed her hand on Sixiang's shoulder.

"Maybe to you. A dream is only supposed to exist in the moment. The past and the future are for other phases, you know?" Sixiang laughed.

"You're selling yourself short, what good is a muse that doesn't stick around?" Ling Qi jibed, hoping to lighten the mood.

"A muse is just a nudge. It's up to the artist to actually create something," Sixiang shot back, a grin finding its way back onto their features. "So I guess I should get nudging huh? What is it you want to compose?"

Ling Qi glanced away, considering, unsteadiness that still lurked in Sixiang's tone and voice. "We can still wait a bit, if you'd like. I can ask…"

"No, no, no, not gonna fail at the thing that's actually my job you know? Sixiang chided. "...There's some stuff I want to share, but I gotta stress test it first. Don't want to do damage by mistake, you know," she added more quietly.

Ling Qi gave the spirit a sidelong look, but shrugged, recognizing that it was the most she was going to get. "Alright then. Right now I need to compose a piece for my Sect challenge. We're going to compete over which composition has the stronger message, and I want something that will resonate well with my opponent and myself…"

Sixiang held up a hand to forestall her. "Hang on a sec, let me catch up, I haven't been paying attention," Ling Qi blinked as the spirit reached out and brushed her fingers across the opaque water. She saw the surface ripple, and glimpsed flashing images; the mountain path, her conversation with Cai renxiang, Yu Nuan's face and others as well.

"You can just do that?" Ling Qi asked, bewildered.

"Once I'm done you'll be able to as well, one more sec," Sixiang muttered distractedly. "Alright, I think I got a handle on her. Where are you stuck?"

"I'm just… not sure how much I buy my own words," Ling Qi replied, shaking off the questions for now. "I won't lie, a big part of it is because of that dream. I'm just… not sure of myself anymore. If I'm willing to step back on the first thing I decided I wouldn't do, can I really say I have any convictions at all?"

Sixiang idly kicked their bare legs, sending up splashes of paint-like water. "Is it really so bad to be uncertain? You're not a construct or an elemental you know. It's okay to have some give to your beliefs."

"That feels like an excuse," Ling Qi sighed.

"Hm, hm, I see where I imprinted those issues from," Sixiang said, her voice a little brittle. "But… you're gonna fail, and your gonna disappoint yourself. Nobody walks a path without stumbling."

"You sound like a book of koans," Ling Qi grumbled.

"I remember parts of writing plenty of those," Sixiang replied with a laugh. "But, the point is your human, and not far enough along to really have any pure convictions. Each experience is a brick laid in the foundation of who you are."

"Now you're doing it on purpose," Ling Qi rolled her eyes, but… she could see the spirits point. She wasn't sure she would ever see that dream as anything but a failure...but she couldn't wallow in that. She couldn't afford too...and as much as she felt a sliver of self loathing for it, she didn't want to. She had buckled to fear in the face of overwhelming power but… hadn't she stood with Meizhen when she was alone and ambushed? There had been other moments as well, one false step did not invalidate a path.

"I need a composition that focuses on what I want to do in the future don't I, what I think I can accomplish," Ling Qi finally said.

"Ha, see, I told you a muse was just a nudge," Sixiang replied lightly. "So, what do you want?"

And wasn't that a question, Ling Qi thought grumpily.

[] Compose a piece about the shadows of disorder and uncertainty, and how those ills might be vanquished
[] Compose a piece about loneliness and cold, and how they came to fade away
[] Compose a piece about fear and disquiet, and how they might be defeated
 
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Let's talk about debuffs. (ignores a choir of "nooo" groans and sighs)

There are, generally speaking 3 ways to spend Qi and Time in a fight:
  • Attack (damage or debuff)
  • Buff effect (attack or defense, self or team, instant or long)
  • Utility effect (perception, mobility, stealth, dispel)
Utility effects aside, buffs and attacks are the "meat" of a fight. Here's their mechanical breakdown in the current and the armor-for-debuffs regime:
  • Pure Damage Attack:
    • Certainty: "works" based on Hit vs Avoid
    • Strength: (damage) based on Pen vs Armor
    • Scaling: Linear effect scaling with multiple uses (sum of total damage)
      • At least until low hp penalties start affecting the fight
    • Duration: Instant (usually), though "dps field" attacks exist (dissonance, ashfield)
    • Mitigation[1]: Effect cannot be removed barring healing, which is hard
  • Debuff Attack (current system):
    • Certainty: "works" based on Hit vs Avoid
    • Strength: constant (low compared to buffs)
      • Additional, usually stronger effects gated by Stat tests
    • scaling:
      • Linear (most effects)
      • Compounding (gets stronger with more uses): Debuffs to Avoid
    • Duration: Long (usually)
    • Mitigation: Dispels to resist or remove (simple enough)
  • Debuff attack (armor version): Same as above except for:
    • Strength:
      • Effect strength based on Pen vs Armor
        • This means effects can be made stronger with Pen > Armor
        • Also see Zhengui
      • Additional to or instead of Armor (unknown), Stat Test gated effects
    • Scaling: cales linearly (most effects)
      • Linear (most effects)
      • Compounding: Debuffs to Avoid or Armor
        • Armor debuff compounding can lead to "death spirals", but is hard to pull off against high-armor targets
  • Buff Effect:
    • Certainty: always works
    • Strength: constant
    • Scaling:
      • Linear (most buffs)
      • Compounding (meta-buffs like JT, though it costs a lot in Qi)
    • Duration: Instant and Long, strong effects either way
    • Mitigation: offensive dispels (difficult; need to hit first, and given +dodge buffs...)
[1] Special dodge techs work on both attacks and debuffs and require specialized "undodgable" attacks to counter and are thus not counted here.

Observations:
  • Most attacks usually have a debuff component.
  • There are physical debuffs:
    • AtW and some other "hostile environment" effects.
    • Some grapples.
    • Some armor rending.
  • Pure debuff attacks usually have utility effects (mist, SEA), but are otherwise underpowered compared to attacks that both damage and debuff.
  • Buffs are generally much easier to set up, harder to counter, and provide stronger effects than debuffs in either regime
  • Armor-for-Debuffs basically does the following:
    • Merge {attack, debuff} into a single category whose effects strength is determined by Armor vs Pen.
    • Effect is a mixture of damage and debuff, with pure damage attacks and pure damage debuffs as the (rare) extremes
  • Having both Stat Tests (even smoothed) and Armor affect debuff strength is double dipping the defensive attributes, should be one or the other for different kinds of effects, not both
  • Debuffs with constant absolute strength have different relative strength based on the target:
    • -10 hit on a A30 stat is less useful than -10 hit on C15
    • This means mitigation-by-armor shouldn't be too strong lest debuffs are reduced to nothing
  • Armor-based mitigation makes narrative sense for some debuffs but not others. Sometimes a Stat test makes more sense, and sometimes just constant absolute effect is logical, especially for "environmental" debuffs.
Before we draw some conclusions, let me talk a bit about Zhengui:
  • Stat-wise:
    • Crazy physical armor (B sta, B fort), high spiritual armor (C resolve, C resilience)
    • Abysmal physical avoid (F dex, F dodge)
    • Low spiritual avoid (D wits, F fade)
    • Poor self-dispel (E int, also causes bad spirit pen)
  • This is the "slow tank" build meant to take all hits and just power through them, and under the current regime it leaves a glaring hole in the form of debuffs.
  • This is a systemic design flaw that prevents this build from being viable without without an outright broken self-dispel ability (Heizui).
    • Weak as they are, one "disable" type debuff that hits or just enough lesser ones and the fight's over.
    • This build should be viable without cheating given GG is mostly running Tank, and not even some "block/parry" version of Avoid.
  • I'm not saying Zhengui can't have weaknesses, but legendary beasts shouldn't have easy hard counters.
    • Not that he'll be debuff-immune under an armor regime; his sp.armor isn't enough for that.
    • Debuffs would still be the easier way to take him down given his high armor and regeneration.

With all that considered, here's some proposals:
  • Buff strength is somewhat mitigated by high costs for the best ones and (low) setup time, but they still seem strong, and their relative effect strength should be considered.
    • The idea is that after the first few buffs are up the relative advantage of another buff falls below the other ways to spend resources.
  • Debuff effect strength needs to be adjusted:
    • Some form of effect resistance should happen for most effects:
      • Method of resistance is one of: {Armor, Stat, None}, depending on the debuff on case-by-case basis (whatever makes most sense)
      • Hard CC like sleep, paralysis, grapple, meridian disables and so on should have armor or stat-based resistance.
      • A single debuff can have multiple components which are resisted by different means.
    • Debuffs should be considered as Attacks for purpose of balancing:
      • Damaging debuffs, Pure damage attacks, and pure debuff attacks need to have similar overall utility at equal potency-rank.
        • Relative utility depends on circumstances; for us setting up a Darkness/Stealth enabling long-lasting Mist is worth a lot more than a single HC most of the time.
      • Damage can trade off with extra duration, AoE, buff or utility components, or nastier and harder-hitting negative effects.
    • Effect strength should scale based on resistance:
      • At Pen = Armor (or other mitigation) should be approximately what it currently is plus whatever buffing is necessary to bring it in-line with other Attacks.
      • Scaling as Pen > Armor and Pen < Armor should considered very carefully, and depend on mitigation gap.
      • Ideally "completely ignore debuffs" shouldn't happen without a ridiculous advantage like 3+ letter ranks of Armor over Pen.
For your consideration @yrsillar.

Also yay update :d
 
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[x] Compose a piece about the shadows of disorder and uncertainty, and how those ills might be vanquished


this feels right
 
[X] Compose a piece about the shadows of disorder and uncertainty, and how those ills might be vanquished
 
I think loneliness wouldn't be a bad option, but I think Ling Qi's own initial priorities were about her fears and weakness, that led to her regrets in life, and how she started cultivating in order to escape and face those weaknesses.

[X] Compose a piece about fear and disquiet, and how they might be defeated
 
[x] Compose a piece about the shadows of disorder and uncertainty, and how those ills might be vanquished
 
[x] Compose a piece about the shadows of disorder and uncertainty, and how those ills might be vanquished
 
[X] Compose a piece about fear and disquiet, and how they might be defeated
Seems most relevant to Ling Qi in the context of the Bloody Moon dream, and also works with the context of her street rat origins that, hopefully, should resonate with Yu Nuan as well.
 
[X] Compose a piece about fear and disquiet, and how they might be defeated


Couple reasons for picking this one, but the main one I think is that we haven't actually beaten the others yet in a significant way.

We just got done being uncertain and disordered, and we've pretty much accepted it's going to happen again. Which is fine, no state lasts forever and it's more about continuing to win each battle with uncertainty than it is to try and hold on to the idea of one lasting peace. I just don't think we can hit those notes genuinely yet in a way that will appeal to our opponent or the judges.

As for lonliness and cold, yea sure we aren't as lonely as we were when we got here but uhh, we've been drinking pretty deeply of that darkness and ice well. It seems a bit hypocritical to talk about that when we're still gonna be using those songs in our cultivation from here on. Still, the contrast is a useful tool and it would be the path I'd support the most among the others I haven't picked.

As for fear and disquiet? That one is pretty much sorted for us outside of situation where we're seriously outclassed as in the recent dragon class threat. We are still going to hit this one as we advance but I believe that with the support structure we have now, it's less likely to take root or have a more significant effect than uncertainty.
We have a lot of people who will help us combat fear, but other than our muse we tend to be left to our own devices when we don't know how to advance.
Probably because cultivation is personal and blah blah blah.

Also also, we spent all of last year in the presence of fear aura and we've literally got that under wraps where most 'peers' can barely stand it. Good Pick.
 
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[X] Compose a piece about the shadows of disorder and uncertainty, and how those ills might be vanquished
 
[X] Compose a piece about fear and disquiet, and how they might be defeated
Personally I'd prefer the cold and lone one, but this is a community decision and I'd rather have fear and disquiet than the shadows being banished, because that's not what she needs. She lives in the shadows.​
 
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