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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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It's not a fuck you, I'm just isolating her and backing her into a corner. The weaker her position becomes, the more she has to offer us for the crown.
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Well, she made an effort of it, but ultimately our goals are incompatible. The real prize is the loyalty of the Reachmen, and Praxter is no man's fool.
Well, she made an effort of it, but ultimately our goals are incompatible. The real prize is the loyalty of the Reachmen, and Praxter is no man's fool.
I honestly think she, and by extent the Fey at large, are too proud to take this from us or swear themselves to a mortal liege. I can see the reasoning behind extending the offer, though.
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@Goldfish I'm not sure Cats Grace is worth another Swift Haste, Guided Shot or Hunter's Mercy,
In any case, for Asha, we have to decide if we want her to be stronk in personal combat, or in vehicle combat.
I forgot we modded Dirty Strike into an actually a decent ability:
Dirty Strike: Opponent receives a Reflex Save against the Mariner's first modified attack roll each round. On a failure he takes the extra damage on every attack until the next round. (1d4+1d6) [Precision Damage]
What about this: Swap Sidestep Charge and Dodge for Combat Expertise and Riposte, then get Double Hit at 9th and Robillar's at 12th, and maybe finagle something to get Snap Kick (which makes her AoOs three hits).
Deadly & Allied Defense are neat, too. Maybe we ca fit a couple of fighter levels there.
Scarlet Corsair is a very legit class for her.
In any case, for Asha, we have to decide if we want her to be stronk in personal combat, or in vehicle combat.
I forgot we modded Dirty Strike into an actually a decent ability:
Dirty Strike: Opponent receives a Reflex Save against the Mariner's first modified attack roll each round. On a failure he takes the extra damage on every attack until the next round. (1d4+1d6) [Precision Damage]
What about this: Swap Sidestep Charge and Dodge for Combat Expertise and Riposte, then get Double Hit at 9th and Robillar's at 12th, and maybe finagle something to get Snap Kick (which makes her AoOs three hits).
Deadly & Allied Defense are neat, too. Maybe we ca fit a couple of fighter levels there.
Scarlet Corsair is a very legit class for her.
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What if none have been made?
Not that they can't, in the future, but at this time, it's likely they haven't.
We look bad if it isn't the case and we just run with that assumption.
@edit: I know there's not much difference, I'm saying there could be more nuance in our stated reasoning.
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I mean, how is her swearing to Mace really different then her swearing to us, aside from the fact that we are smarter then Mace.
Sure, they'd be in his realm ... but if she swears to him then she'd basically just be one of the lords sworn to him in the same manner Paxter is.
Further, we plan to take over Westeros, so if she swears to us then we are still allowing a Fey Realm to be carved in our realm in the exact same manner that you are saying Mace would be an idiot to do.
I don't entirely follow the logic of how her swearing to Mace is stupid for Mace to do, but her swearing to us is smart for us, except in the matter that Mace is an idiot so everything he does, even when he's right, is stupid because he cannot properly do anything. We also can't IC use the reasoning that Mace is an idiot so it's dumb for him to do what we do, because we sort of want him on our side and can't just blankly call him an idiot. Can only really use that as OOC or, at the very least, private IC reasoning.
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Mace is free to break his oaths, they aren't.
So swearing to Mace while he is sworn to us is only the same as being sworn to us if Mace obeys completely and throughly. And even then, it's a sort of borrowed authority.
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Also Mace is an insult to idiots.
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That's the fun thing. How could she ever hope to prove that none have been made?
She can either say nothing, which would be damning as fuck, or spout a denial. Except she has been evasive for the whole discussion and Paxter wasn't even aware of the reasons for taking this crown to Highgarden, so he has zero reasons to believe her word.
This is intentionally dirty arguing.
I'm stipulating that it would take a clever lord of good character to ensure that her court is not abusing it's power to the detriment of the Reach. Mace being an idiot is therefore a clear argument against him being a valid candidate.
Furthermore, I frankly don't care about getting Mace Tyrell on our side. If we can get the Redwynes, which is looking good right now, we are in a good position to angle for a scenario where House Tyrell needs to be removed from Highgarden "for the good of the realm".
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The point is that if Mace missed the implications here, which he most likely did, then he is an idiot and therefore this particular bargain was stupid. Saying as much IC might be a bit risky, but when compounded with the very real threat of the lords losing their power to fey I think they'll be worried about bigger things than their liege's honor.
The reason it's not stupid if we do it is because they won't be independent. We wouldn't tolerate it.
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Hm, correct.
I was hoping to make it different by going TWF, going far further in the Combat Expertise utility, and by avoiding Swashbuckler.
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All that was really similar was the use of Deadly Defense, at this point.
It's not bad at what it does, yes. I just felt that for a handaxe fighter (see her Flaw), an AoO build wasn't that great. AoOs without tripping, or a way to force the opponent to grant them?
No it isn't. Riposte explicitly only works once per round, against the first attack to miss you.
Robilar's Gambit is a great feat, but it requires BAB +12.
Oh, that's a nice change to Dirty Strike. It really should be on her sheet somewhere...
Decent build. No Deadly Defense though? I really like that feat.
She won't be able to get Robillar's at 12th, because it requires 12 BAB and she took Rogue levels.
Double Hit is decent, but it requires Improved Two-Weapon Fighting (and Combat reflexes).
Right now though, do you disagree with my proposed level-up?
You're mostly shooting off plans for the future, but you've been hinting at wanting to make it an AoO build and not a cautious/tricky fighting build.
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