The latter part of this sentence is hysterical to me.

"Stop. Being. So. Fucking. Stupid!"

"Why are you hitting me?!"

"Because otherwise you'll never learn!"
I don't think Viserys would have that good chance at winning, Tyrande just did a ritual to become the Avatar of Elune's rage, that's basically being empowered by an aspect of a greater goddess, while already being a near epic cleric.
 
Yeah, feel like if Viserys has any chance to prevents lots of the fuck ups in Warcraft he would want to show up before the Third War and WOW in general.
Waaaay too strong for Witcher.
Witcher has powerful beings and characters in it, and it is familiar with multiverse traveling in general which holds lots of beings.
 
I came home on Thursday to find I'd be alone most of the weekend, and promptly declared that the most depressing thing since sliced bread.

Oh, and got really drunk, and woke up in the bathtub.

This just happens sometimes, get used to it.
 
I don't think Viserys would have that good chance at winning, Tyrande just did a ritual to become the Avatar of Elune's rage, that's basically being empowered by an aspect of a greater goddess, while already being a near epic cleric.
Is Dragon. Argument Invalid.

All your alliance fangirling aside, Viserys is versatile as all hell, he would have stood reasonable chances at surviving even massed Legion assault, let alone having very much grounded and immobile (relatively) enemies like Alliance or Horde forces/leaders.

Anduin can sword (a bit, Waymar-level at best) and Light at people.
Tyrande can be held off by a strong undead and a single horde's hero. Gameplay/lore discussion aside, that did happen at the darkshore, and she had Malfurion there to break the stalemate.
Genn is a very good boy.

The only opponents to him would be Kirin'Tor and Khadgar, and maybe Jaina.
First due to having a shitton of mages, second due to bein plot-fueled OP.

And then we enter having divination, and being protected from such shit by Mindblank.

Viserys could very much wreck anyone and anything at Warcraft as it is at the current state.

Too bad N'zoth is rising, and Alliance vs Horde being total shitfest is probably the only possibility for Azeroth's survival, like always before.
 
Is Dragon. Argument Invalid.

All your alliance fangirling aside, Viserys is versatile as all hell, he would have stood reasonable chances at surviving even massed Legion assault, let alone having very much grounded and immobile (relatively) enemies like Alliance or Horde forces/leaders.

Anduin can sword (a bit, Waymar-level at best) and Light at people.
Tyrande can be held off by a strong undead and a single horde's hero. Gameplay/lore discussion aside, that did happen at the darkshore, and she had Malfurion there to break the stalemate.
Genn is a very good boy.

The only opponents to him would be Kirin'Tor and Khadgar, and maybe Jaina.
First due to having a shitton of mages, second due to bein plot-fueled OP.

And then we enter having divination, and being protected from such shit by Mindblank.

Viserys could very much wreck anyone and anything at Warcraft as it is at the current state.

Too bad N'zoth is rising, and Alliance vs Horde being total shitfest is probably the only possibility for Azeroth's survival, like always before.
Champions in Wow are all high level in D&D, they are designed different from D&D sure, but they are still strong as hell, Anduin can cast mass resurrection, that's not just a minor power.

And what held off Tyrande post Elune's empowerment, was not Nathanos alone, it was Nathanos, and 2 of Sylvanas Valkyries, who are basically minor demigods in their own right.

Wow magic just tend more towards hitting harder instead of versatility, they don't get as many high level spells as D&D characters, but they get insane CL.
 
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D&D is pretty high-tier, it works conceptually. Some magic is pure world physics manipulation, which wouldn't grant the same protection.

D&D, especially high level spells, are just flat "No" and "Yes" buttons.
Hmm. That's not how I have seen it treated in the dnd novels I have read. And, I think I have read easily over 100+.

But I suppose dnd magic mechanics are very cheesable if you want them to be, similar to exalted stuff. Depends on the interpretation.
 
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Champions in Wow are all high level in D&D, they are designed different from D&D sure, but they are still strong as hell, Anduin can cast mass resurrection, that's not just a minor power.
You misunderstand me. I'm not saying they are weak.
I'm saying they don't have a good counter to Viserys.
Light? Viserys casts Greater Angelic Aspect. Or simply Mircales an immunity onto himself. Boom, Light is shrugged off.
Any mundane weapon user? Genn, Saurfang, Nathanos, Lor'themar, Bane, etc?
Not getting through these scales, and most magical weapons are engulfed in cloak and/or are flown away from.
All but most powerful mages? Not getting through his SR, Celerity, Cloak and a lot of buffs.

I very much see Viserys being careful with every single spell of Warcraft universe, and doing his best to not being hit by unknown magics.
Which directly translates to, you know, being good at that.

And what held off Tyrande post Elune's empowerment, was not Nathanos alone, it was Nathanos, and 2 of Sylvanas Valkyries, who are basically minor demigods in their own right.
Kinda wrong. She alone was held off by Nathanos and the Horde Hero.
When Malfurion entered the fray, one of the Val'kyres fought too, and only because it was "taking too long" otherwise.

She's powerful, yes. But she's not all-mighty. So far as we can see now, she's good at direct attacks now, and very good at long-cast "fuck you" attacks, which while will level any army... aren't all that great against Viserys.
Druidic capabilities of her and Malfurion... well, they are quite damn good.
But on their own, without great deal of prep time, and a location like Hyjal, they aren't getting to use it against Viserys.

Again, Divination/Mindblank combo is OP as fuck for Warcraft. Especially with Elune being far less easygoing with telling her priestess of an impending danger that DnD gods.
 
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Champions in Wow are all high level in D&D, they are designed different from D&D sure, but they are still strong as hell, Anduin can cast mass resurrection, that's not just a minor power
And twelve year old HP Wizards can cast Polymorph Any Object at will.

Doesn't make them godlike entities.

Each system has its inadequacies. D&D just happens to be built very versatile.

If your guy has his special shtick of Mass Ressurection, does it mean he is an epic cleric, or is he a relatively normal guy with a special ability?

Being a super-high level cleric, or any full caster, in D&D has implications in what you can or can't do.
 
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Kinda wrong. She alone was held off by Nathanos and the Horde Hero.
When Malfurion entered the fray, one of the Val'kyres fought too, and only because it was "taking too long" otherwise.
That's how it went in the Horde version, I played the Alliance version, where the Valkyrie stepped in from the start, and even with it's help Nathanos got killed, forcing 1 of them to sacrifice themselves to revive him.
And twelve year old HP Wizards can cast Polymorph Any Object at will.

Doesn't make them godlike entities.

Each system has its inadequacies. D&D just happens to be built very versatile.

If your guy has his special shtick of Mass Ressurection, does it mean he is an epic cleric, or is he a relatively normal guy with a special ability?

Being a super-high level cleric, or any full caster, in D&D has implications in what you can or can't do.
He has done quite a few other things, none as grand as that, but all in all he's proven to be quite powerful, if not as much as the greatest in the setting.
 
Also I have to ask, why would Viserys decide to force the Night elves to give up their vengeance? It's not like he's against punishing the guilty, and the Horde has a lot of guilty people.

If the Night elves were demanding the death of civilian it would be different, but while they will want a lot of heads, it will all be soldiers, who has committed crimes against the Night elves.
 
Also I have to ask, why would Viserys decide to force the Night elves to give up their vengeance? It's not like he's against punishing the guilty, and the Horde has a lot of guilty people.

If the Night elves were demanding the death of civilian it would be different, but while they will want a lot of heads, it will all be soldiers, who has committed crimes against the Night elves.
Because if NE culture is anything, it isn't reasonable.

There will be those pushing for a repeat of post-Warcraft 2 concentration camps, only for everyone in the Horde, and not for orcs only.
And Tyrande will very likely be among those very some people.

But, well, at least they aren't as fucked up as Lightforged and their Army of the Light (just look at alt. Draenor for their inevitable future) or the Void Elves (duh).

Oh wait. They entered the Alliance, didn't they?
Oh well, here goes all the reason :V
 
Part MMDI: Of Tumbled Crowns
Of Tumbled Crowns

Eleventh Day of the Seventh Month 293 AC

Keeping your tone carefully light you answer: "You seem rather impatient, my lady. Not even a name I have to call you by, yet you interject so harshly." The fey woman does not react to your rebuke, though the Westerosi sailors certainly look ill at ease to hear it, not so much from chivalry as simple worry you would judge. Thus you continue: "Two questions are raised by your words. One, what dominions you are speaking of, and two, what Lord Tyrell's stake in the matter is? Blunt though the words may be, so far I see little reason why I should let you claim the crown, for an independent kingdom in the Reach is hardly something I look forward to, be it headed by men or the deathless fey."

"Such haste..." the woman crocks her head to the side, cat-stilted eyes glowing like jewels in the lantern light. "Did not the Lost Ones tell you of the misfortunes of haste?"

The answer to her cryptic words comes to you in a flash—the Singers. If she would play that game then you certainly have an answer to it. "Indeed, they have taught us much, and we them. That which is oldest and most enduring is not always soundest with the changing of the world." Or in words less cunningly-shaped to be pleasing to the ear: you won't have all your own way if you try to change the world to your whims. Likely as not this one can read the thoughts on your face if not in your mind.

A sigh escapes her lips, even that gesture imbued with delicate elegance, the sort that would make many a knight lose their wits you'd wager. "You may call me Dusk-Dancer, for I was among those who danced the path from twilight into the realms under the sun. As to your questions two, oh child of flame and air, know that I do not speak of lordships that man could use, but of places where the plow will break rather than cut the earth and the beasts of the fields would wander and be made wild again. Know that I speak not of a crown of men, but a lost crown of Faerie itself."

"How could a fey lord lose his crown?" Theon blurts. "I thought..." he looks ill at ease with all eyes upon him. He turns to Moonsong. "Sorry, captain, didn't you say their crown were as much a part of them as the eyes in their heads and heart in their chests?"

"And it's a boring story this would be if all things stayed in their places to be sure?" the captain of the Hunter's Moon shrugged, her gossamer wings ruffling like petals on the spring wind.

Now the fey lady, Dusk-Dancer, does look towards the threshold sprite with something like faint disdain in her gaze, as a man might look at a particularly tall weed by the side of the road. "Yes, you do so love interesting tales, particularly the ones you make so..." Turning back to you she explains: "Three kings there are in the Feywilds—the Warrior bright and bold, the Lord masterful in all the works of his hands and will, the Sage wise in things that are, things that were, and things yet undreamed. Yet the Warrior is lost unto himself, knowing no purpose beyond the day. The Lord sleeps eternal, for his crown a mortal claimed for his own in a game of wits. Fairly won it was and well the mortal reigned over both kindred, but he has passed to dust and now only the Sage endures." Her next words have the air of somber verse:

Long have we wandered...
Far we have seen...
Long have we pandered...
Lost we have been...

"We ask only for that which is rightfully ours, yet now lies locked beneath the cold sea," the sorceress explains. From the look on Lord Paxter's face this is as much news to him as it is to you.

Still, the Lord of the Arbor schools his features with the skill of long practice and adds his voice to the spirit's plea: "I have been charged by my lord to seek this crown and return it to Highgarden. Of what pacts or arrangements have been made of its disposal then I know not, but I can assure you no one intends to see an independent Reach." He snorts: "We aren't the bloody Ir..." The words trail off.

"Ironborn," Asha finishes. To your surprise she is smiling. "I've sailed and seen enough of the world to know there's truth in those words, though they are a touch lacking in the famed courtesy of the Reach."

Lord Redwyne inclines his head, like duelist acknowledging a touch on the training field. You suspect he would not be calling Asha a girl playing at being a reaver now. It is no small thing to acknowledge the follies of one's kin as well you know.

After offering a nod of your own to the young Greyjoy to show your own appreciation, you turn back to the crimson-haired enchantress: "I have seen a great many powers wake these past few years, kindly, cruel, and those who are neither, and even among the first kind I have seen them turn the lives of mortal men on their heads. Thus I must ask what would happen if your sleeping king is woken?"

"You are untrusting," Dusk-Dancer challenges.

"I am cautious," you answer, not quite the words that would have been first on your lips, but 'I am alive' might have seemed like too fearful a reply before the men of the Reach who had never faced the great evils of the world and know not what lurks in the sea, the sweltering lands of the south, or the deepest north.

"Know that the Lord is mighty but it is not his might we seek, but his counsel," she replies. "If men find us strange and perilous in our needs then that is because we are half dreaming. If a lord reigned over us again beside the Queen then we would be easier to know to the mind of mortals, more rooted and solid in our dealings. Does that seem an ill thing to you, oh king crowned in flame?"

What do you answer?

[] Write in

OOC: Asha and Theon are doing surprisingly good in diplomacy now.
 
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Well now this is interesting, apparently House Gardner somehow won the crown of one of the big three of the Feywyld which they then used to use the Reach quite well for who knows how long before it was lost.

If crown does as it says and she is telling truth lots of people would want it.

However if she telling truth of deal then it might make dealing with fey in general easier.
 
Well now this is interesting, apparently House Gardner somehow won the crown of one of the big three of the Feywyld which they then used to use the Reach quite well for who knows how long before it was lost.

If crown does as it says and she is telling truth lots of people would want it.

However if she telling truth of deal then it might make dealing with fey in general easier.

She is fey so she is probably telling the truth, and equally probably not the whole truth.
 
... Fuck no, fuck no, fuck no.
We are not empowering them.

Reasonablitity my ass, all they will get is more power.
In turn, making them even more problematic to deal with and, if needed, to cull away.

*paranoia intensifies*
 
Aw shit. Fey that understand mortals?
That's either a great boon or a horrible threat. You thought the Illithid were bad?
 
Oh, they'll be easier to deal with, in a way. Because they'll be united under one ruler, and so more predictable. Needless to say the overall difficulty will actually go up, since that ruler will be very powerful and capable.
 
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