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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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[X] Azel

Fully hoping for option 3 because if questioned he can pull that stoic northern face and go " the night's watch is neutral in all matters of the Seven Kingdom"
 
[X] Azel

Oh man oh man to be a fly on Tywin Lannister, Ned Stark or Jon Arryn's wall right now....

Can we please get more rumors? Pretty please?
 
Azel said:
-[X] Regardless of what he chooses is the best for his order, re-affirm that we will stand by him in the coming Long Night with all our might.
-[X] It is tiresome to see that self-adsorbed idiots creating these messes because they can't conceive of a world that doesn't revolve around themselves, but we will do what is necessary to see no others but them suffer for it.
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This is the part where of the vote where you expect Greatjon to come out of nowhere and go "THERE STANDS THE ONLY KING I MEAN TO BEND MY KNEE TO!"

Because seriously, while not invincible, we're infallible when it comes to keeping our word thus far. We make no excuses, if it can be done, it is done. If we have the resources, but something begs to divert them, we get more fucking resources. If we get extra while doing so, we send it along as a gesture of good will to make up for any discrepancy. If there was more danger than was told, we get the job done and ask for no more than what was agreed upon, because we know both sides were dealing in good faith. If doing something will cost a lot, more than we can give at that time, we say we'll get what's needed ASAP, and rather than take the easy way and postpone things until the last minute, something that would have at least been acceptable given the scale and stakes usually involved, when we can get it done much earlier, WE DO IT RIGHT THEN AND THERE.

Helping the Watch gets us no banners to our cause. It gives us no swords. No spell slingers, no artifacts. In fact it actively costs us in all those things, at least indirectly.

It guarantees no loyalty, since the Watch can love us greatly all they want, they are obligate to turn their attention north, and only north.

We aren't the King they wanted, we are the King they needed.

And soon the entire North will realize that fact.
 
Goldfish said:
Mormont, dude, I haven't seen you around in a long while. Have you been out to sea again?
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Didn't you read? The Iron Throne is pressuring him :V

Speaking of keeping our words, a minor action @Duesal that we need this turn is ressurecting Sheepstealer. I know we need to trigger Lys, a dragonrider in the sky kinda makes that stick too.. aside from the three talking dragons of course.

[X] Azel
 
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@Azel

Talking about obliteration of your future armsmen who are just following their lord might go over less well than an honest "Well, I say obliterated, just a bit of the land directly in front of the army. Then I and a fair few of my vassals would make them go home. All goes well, I won't have to kill any more than a champion or two and possibly some mages.

This is a man who is (I hope), starting to "get" how strong a mage like Viesry or Lya can be, vs an army.

Even if you dislike my flippant suggestion, I still think promising obliteration of men that we could use instead to fight against the others is very sub optimal, and think that a replacement wording is in order.

I do like the idea of the plant wolves being from the other side of the wall. Won't work perfectly as we have some in the inquisition and... elsewhere, but if you're going for a bearest of bearest excuses, that might do :)
 
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Takesis said:
Didn't you read? The Iron Throne is pressuring him :V

Speaking of keeping our words, a minor action @Duesal that we need this turn is ressurecting Sheepstealer. I know we need to trigger Lys, a dragonrider in the sky kinda makes that stick too.. aside from the three talking dragons of course.

[X] Azel
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I asked DP over PMs about getting it out of the way this turn, and he told me we should probably schedule an entire day for it this upcoming turn because we're going to have to make arrangements to hide Sheepstealer, and also we need to have another chat with Dalla in person.
 
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Crake said:
This is the part where of the vote where you expect Greatjon to come out of nowhere and go "THERE STANDS THE ONLY KING I MEAN TO BEND MY KNEE TO!"

Because seriously, while not invincible, we're infallible when it comes to keeping our word thus far. We make no excuses, if it can be done, it is done. If we have the resources, but something begs to divert them, we get more fucking resources. If we get extra while doing so, we send it along as a gesture of good will to make up for any discrepancy. If there was more danger than was told, we get the job done and ask for no more than what was agreed upon, because we know both sides were dealing in good faith. If doing something will cost a lot, more than we can give at that time, we say we'll get what's needed ASAP, and rather than take the easy way and postpone things until the last minute, something that would have at least been acceptable given the scale and stakes usually involved, when we can get it done much earlier, WE DO IT RIGHT THEN AND THERE.

Helping the Watch gets us no banners to our cause. It gives us no swords. No spell slingers, no artifacts. In fact it actively costs us in all those things, at least indirectly.

It guarantees no loyalty, since the Watch can love us greatly all they want, they are obligate to turn their attention north, and only north.

We aren't the King they wanted, we are the King they needed.

And soon the entire North will realize that fact.
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We can also still lie and scoundrel like a rake if we need to
 
Oh, I can't believe I forgot.

@Azel don't forget to tell him.

If he send people to the citadel for training don't expect them to come back.

At least without being tortured and branded like cattle.

In the case of that one mage, branded again.
 
zxzx24 said:
We can also still lie and scoundrel like a rake if we need to
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Yes, well, those parts get left out of the histories, if only because they sound a fair sight sillier than the tales of the Dragon King inexorably bound to his word like shackles, unable to break one freely given not for the power it would hold over him, but principle and contempt of breaking one's own spoken vow.

Scoundrel stories, are for the scoundrels.

Why act as Corlys Waters time and again and not Viserys Targareyn? Or even Tiserys Vargaryen?

Because one is a King and must be seen to act as a King, or the very word loses what little meaning it still has. The other can be thought a jape, or more accurately a declaration that no masks are needed, just a pretext, a polite fiction, and we will be there beside them like their shadow, easing into their every thought and leaving them with nothing and less than nothing, unable to do a thing about it.

And the last is for when we need a scoundrel. And scoundrel stories only get retold when scoundrels tell them. Alas that Corlys Waters does not often boast of his deeds, is it not?
 
DragonParadox said:
However, even Maelor's still inexperienced eye is quite enough to see the true weakness of the Watch, not in lore, nor even in bravery, but simply warm bodies, not only to fight the horror in the north, but to organize, to mend the Wall, to feed the growing number of Black Brothers. Lord Stark had been sending them supplies when he could, mostly to Eastwatch-by-the-Sea by way of Manderly vessels. "We gotta get them that harvest luck spell..." Maelor offers.

"No," you cut him off. "That ritual would spread wildly in Westeros and without some sort of plan I feel that the Seven Kingdoms will be no better than than they are now, perhaps worse, for all folk high and low would look to magic with even more suspicion."

After a moment's thought he agrees though obviously ill at ease with the answer. "We will have to be shipping food in. It's one thing to convince a man to pick up a sword for a cause, but I can't think of many who would take up a plow for it."
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We could always have some shipments of steel farming tools sent to them, unlike the ritual those wont spread, but better farming tools matter just as much as better land to farm, because if your plow is sharper and more resilient, plowing the land go quicker, so you can plow more land each day, same with sickles for harvesting, shovels for digging and so on, so the farmers they do have, could be made significantly more effective.

Just read up on how bad current tools should be, and apparently most medieval farmers had wooden plows that barely scratched the ground, a steel plow should be at least twice as effective, considering this is the north where the ground is half frozen and hard, and so quality of plow matter more, it's probably more like 3 times as effective.

Better scythes wont matter quite as much, but they will still matter a lot, as if you can cut the grain more easily, you can harvest fields quicker, it just wont matter quite as much, as they probably do have poor quality iron scythes, so the upgrade is smaller, and unlike with the plow, it will only make the work faster not better.

But better tools will matter a lot, modern day farming harvest about 15 times as much from an acre of farmland as they did in the middle ages, and while some of that is better farming methods and better fertilizer, some of it is also that we have better tools such as plows, so we get deeper when loosening the earth.
 
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