Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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[><] Lu Feng

C'mon people we can't trust Han or Gan, and Wen Ai is just a socialite poser who couldn't beat up a half-crippled half-broken through Yellow. We can snap up Lu Feng and he can handle all the spywork and sneaky stuff of our new faction letting us be the muscle.
 
Question that I think needs to be brought up, are you rating a single action point as 24 hours? If you are, why?
An action is 1AP, the unit which we use to allocate cultivation in. I don't see where you get 24 hours. We know the 1AP -> 1-4 CP conversion ratio is available to us because that is the going rate for []Perform Sect Duties.

Additionally, I don't see how "increases our odds of victory by 20%" is actually useful information. There is an argument to be made that, for example, revealing 20% of their build could work, but that is unlikely to because what is revealed could be not actionable or otherwise useless and devalue it. Or it could be incredibly useful!

The point is that it that phrase is only useful in my mind when applied to an objective thing, and the value of intel is not objective because two different people can rate the same piece of intel completely differently.
I'm not sure what you are talking about.

Information is presumably valuable because it helps us achieve our goals. If our goal is to win a battle against a challenger, a natural metric by which we can value things is how much more likely it makes our victory. We may not know that number a-priori, but that doesn't mean we can't talk about it or estimate it; it just means we have to do our best to come up with a value and be appropriately cognizant of our confidence level.

"20%" as in "revealing 20% of our opponent's build" is a much less useful number, and not the one I'm referring to. Like you said, it could be useless, or it could be incredibly useful; when evaluating the value of this information without knowing which it is, all we can do is estimate how likely it is to fall into each category and how likely knowing it is to change a loss to a win in both cases; based off of that we can get how much in increases our victory odds overall.
 
Right now both sides of this information argument are a little farcical. We don't know what it'll cost in either actions or money to get information about others, and we don't have any really concrete plans of hiding information about ourselves. I imagine one serious cost hiding information about ourselves would have is a lower rank for some amount of time, integrated over which we will have less access to good sites, so that in itself becomes more or less an AP/monetary kind of cost, even if it's "free".

Ultimately it's easy to advocate for lots of spying and information buying until it's time to fork over the AP and RSS to do so. Personally I regret that we built the Horror (my own decision more than anyone else's, and my own fault) instead of spending those two AP spying on the competition before the tourney. Maybe if we had GG would have been more prepared for Lu Feng's tricks and be in the Inner Sect now.

Then again, maybe those actions would've had a better chance of helping GG as something more conventional, split into more minors to help him train troops, or perhaps a write-in to help him go find a Spirit Beast. Or maybe he was doomed anyway, and nothing we could've done would've saved him from his own poor build choices.

The point is spying and gathering information isn't just a choice we fancifully mark as a descriptor somewhere on our character sheet. It's a mystery box we have to buy with real dollars, and even long after buying or not buying the box we might not know if we made a good purchase or not. But it definitely can't simplify down into either "We need to play the information game whenever we can because that's how things are done in Inner." or "We don't have time to spy and it could never help as much as cultivating." Ultimately it's always going to be a big gamble, risking certain investment elsewhere for uncertain but potentially high reward.
 
So, I don't know if @yrsillar will show us some arts for the art action, but what kind of arts do you want to see if he does?

So here is my proto-Idea thanks to @Katreus:

Probably a bit too good for the first floor of inner sect archive, but I think this would fit well our current desires.

That's pretty cool, yeah, it'll be neat if something like that can be found.

Like, I'd be okay spending a big pile of contribution points and whatnot to get something like that. Because that's just super cool.
 
You need to find an in to give such info to in the first place, because Ling Qi is a bit too airheaded to run that kind of network of contacts as she is right now lol
It's not Ling Qi running a contact network, because I totally agree she's too space cadet focused on other things to do it right now.


Let me see if by outlining this I can convey what is teasing the inside of my skull.

So the Inner Sect has a thriving intel trade, see Bao Qingling and implications by Yanmei and the Fox Spirit Girl we took wind and wood tutoring from. Obvious indication of concealment and active gathering. It is also a business in actuality, with active supply and demand.

The newbies coming in from the end of year tourney are always going to cause a spike in demand for information from those above 800 and those below 900. However, they themselves will not immediately be involved in the trade and networks itself, acting not as players(which adds important considerations to their threat) but as pieces. Additionally because of the spike in specific demand, a spike in overall demand is likely to follow as people use the injection of new factors to move on other people or prepare to move.

Because it is a business, making money is an important pillar. Thus, for greedy brokers there is incentive for them to restrict the supply of specific pieces of information so that they can drive up demand artificially and thus prices on their specific pieces. One way to do that is to get an exclusive "in" with a specific newbie or group of newbies, and clearly lay out that while you know a lot about them and wish to know more because you are going to sell it, you are incentivized to restrict some intel and keep other brokers from getting their fingers in the pie.

Kinda like the Golden Goose scenario then. What I'm thinking about is that we might be approached by brokers looking for information on us, and it would be in their interests if they are extremely greedy to actually help us protect our information, by protecting their exclusivity and only letting out little drips and drabs. Thus, I expect a few brokers to try and make us their golden goose. And we can use that if we think it through.


An action is 1AP, the unit which we use to allocate cultivation in. I don't see where you get 24 hours. We know the 1AP -> 1-4 CP conversion ratio is available to us because that is the going rate for []Perform Sect Duties.


I'm not sure what you are talking about.

Information is presumably valuable because it helps us achieve our goals. If our goal is to win a battle against a challenger, a natural metric by which we can value things is how much more likely it makes our victory. We may not know that number a-priori, but that doesn't mean we can't talk about it or estimate it; it just means we have to do our best to come up with a value and be appropriately cognizant of our confidence level.

"20%" as in "revealing 20% of our opponent's build" is a much less useful number, and not the one I'm referring to. Like you said, it could be useless, or it could be incredibly useful; when evaluating the value of this information without knowing which it is, all we can do is estimate how likely it is to fall into each category and how likely knowing it is to change a loss to a win in both cases; based off of that we can get how much in increases our victory odds overall.

Re: Contribution points. I think it is important to keep in mind roughly how much a single CP is worth. We can get 1-4 CP with a single action, which means that a week of actions is worth ~10CP, maybe a tad more. Hopefully that provides a sense of scale. If someone challenges us for 10CP, this means that a single action spent gathering information on them is only worth it if it increases our odds of victory by 20%, at least if you disregard the consequences of losing in terms of ranking.
You say "week" here as if saying that each AP is also worth a specific amount of time. Trying to back solve from that got me 24 hours, as I did not apply the multiplication by 4 AP that you have, because I was confused by your reference to time here and thought it was the primary reference.

The critique of the 20% thing is me going "Um, why are you saying this?" because I do not see the point in is due to my own assumptions.

And trying to piece together what your base assumptions are, because mine are obviously quite different.

From what I can piece together now, what you are really saying under all this is that we should only spend resources on gathering information if we can all agree that whatever we get will increase our chances of victory by 20%, if we are challenged with 10CP for example.

So, I don't know if @yrsillar will show us some arts for the art action, but what kind of arts do you want to see if he does?

So here is my proto-Idea thanks to @Katreus:

Probably a bit too good for the first floor of inner sect archive, but I think this would fit well our current desires.
I think it has too many keywords, given that it kinda seems to fill in for a lot of the keywords we consider especially important. It doesn't really seem to relate to Ling Qi manipulating things, since the wording implies that she is reading the wind or being guided by it. I.e she's the one being manipulated, and not the other way around.

I also second the music connection already mentioned.

But outside these I really like it.
 
That's pretty cool, yeah, it'll be neat if something like that can be found.

Like, I'd be okay spending a big pile of contribution points and whatnot to get something like that. Because that's just super cool.
Or, you know, if grinning/hidden moon wants to hook us up. I'd totally take that ahead of an FVM successor. We can find lots of music arts. That's easy :p

A perception art that perfect though? Harder.
 
Because it is a business, making money is an important pillar. Thus, for greedy brokers there is incentive for them to restrict the supply of specific pieces of information so that they can drive up demand artificially and thus prices on their specific pieces. One way to do that is to get an exclusive "in" with a specific newbie or group of newbies, and clearly lay out that while you know a lot about them and wish to know more because you are going to sell it, you are incentivized to restrict some intel and keep other brokers from getting their fingers in the pie.
*points at Zhiqiang Omakes*

Someones already way ahead of Ling Qi in that particular game.
 
So, I don't know if @yrsillar will show us some arts for the art action, but what kind of arts do you want to see if he does?
Something with a modicum of my thought put into it.

Forests in Shadowed Wilds

The forest at night is a place of false shadows and thorns, full of terrible things that will kill you, but provides a wonderful battlefield for the clever commander. If one is willing, one can hide, defend, attack and flee in the same motion and remain only a figment in your enemies' minds.

Potency: Green 1
Potency Growth: Green 2 (4), Green 3 (8)
Keywords: Thorns, Wood, Shadows, Darkness, Armor, Ambush, Subordinates, Yin
Current Meridians: Heart x2, Spine x1, Lung x1
Next Meridians: Heart (2), Heart (3), Lung (5), Heart (6)
Max Level: 8
 
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Wow. A cave with beings of impurities.

Would make a nice Song about something which could either increase Qi cost, or lower Qi effectiveness or something.

Maybe even restrict a meridian from hostile or impure Qi flooding it making opponents with critical meridians with no 'spares' unable to use some arts.


And with the way meridians can be improved upon now, this song wont even be too OP since the inportant once are likely to be buffed or something. So only the outlying meridians can be easily affected, and thus disabling only one art or something.
 
Hmm, is that a stealth art that only works in forests? Or a wood based FVM replacement?
It is neither, as it is meant to act as a protective cloak for a group of subordinates or assassins ala a ninja clan group concealment and ablative armor that turns back attacks ala thorns.

I actually forgot a keyword :V
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You say "week" here as if saying that each AP is also worth a specific amount of time.
Ah. I basically divided a month by 4. We have 20 AP this month, which I assume is roughly standard, so that is 5 AP per week, which turns into 5-20CP. That averages to 12.5CP, or "a bit more than 10".
From what I can piece together now, what you are really saying under all this is that we should only spend resources on gathering information if we can all agree that whatever we get will increase our chances of victory by 20%, if we are challenged with 10CP for example.
That is precisely what I am saying, yes.
 
Yeah, though I am curious what you consider to be "certain capabilities".

The things that I expect to be troublesome to conceal, with other goals in mind, include the current Realm of cultivation (or when Ling Qi moves up to Green 2), improved offence Arts, and some improvements to defensive Arts may find being revealed unavoidable in challenge. Hiding Zhengui's cultivation realm may prove rather difficult given how his advancement seems to work.

Other things are more easily kept unknown. The exact degree to which Ling Qi can sneak into nominally secure building/locations may, if even known to be a possibility, be concealed as long as she is not caught. A perception Art could perhaps be concealed or obfuscated as being still her current one. As could be a new spirit bound to her.

More generally, Challenging crafting track individuals is likely to be, disadvantageous at the very least, and similarly Ling Qi is unlikely to receive many challenges from crafting track types. Therefore the Skills and Arts likely to be hardest to keep unknown are likely to be the ones most directly applicable to combat (or perhaps other feats of related prowess), as that is likely to feature more heavily in her challenges, both as an aggressor and a defender.
 
I don't think that running some kind of absolute informational lockdown on LQ's abilities is really the way to proceed into this year.
 
[] would suggest that they have a spar after their talk

Resume the relationship prior to the tournament. Sparring as a means of building strength. Very practical for self improvement. Very time efficient.
However, as we've seen already, sparring is unlikely to actually progress a relationship as a regular activity.
Boosts combat masteries at least.

[] Try to get her liege to show her some needlework basics

Pick up a new skill mastery, get in on the Renxiang-Meizhen sewing hour.
Seems a little forced, considering Ling Qi's done approximately zero sewing since the Sect and has a wardrobe of functionally one, self cleaning dress. Social wise it should work out, sewing is a patient endeavor with a great deal of room for light conversation, if a little too concentration intensive for heavier stuff.
However there is skill improvement, likely some minor Dex improvement.

[] talk tea over a cup of the stuff, Cai Renxiang seemed to think it was important.

Pure social. As I recall, tea is one of Renxiang's true personal passions, where sewing is her Art and fighting is a necessity. She does this for pleasure alone, though Ling Qi is only really interested in the cultivation benefits of any teas.
Probably the best for making a personal connection, and of course, a lot of room for casual discussion. Socialize progress perhaps?

[X] talk tea over a cup of the stuff, Cai Renxiang seemed to think it was important.

"Ling Qi," Bai Meizhen spoke, catching her attention. "What are your plans for this week?"

Ling Qi blew on the drying ink one last time and looked up? "I'm… not sure? I will be cultivating at night and in the evenings, but I don't really have my days planned out yet. I was going to be discussing that with Lady Cai later, I think."

"I see," Meizhen replied, pursing her lips as she stood, her white gown shimmering like water under the pale light in the grotto. "Will you be visiting the town in the foothills at all?"

Ling Qi nodded, beginning to pack up her utensils and notes. "I'll want to visit my mother sometime, sure."

"Inform me when you intend to do so, and make plans for a further stay before or after then," Meizhen said crisply. "There is someone I should be introducing you to."

Ling Qi blinked, pausing in her clean up. Looking up at her friend, she felt a thread of concern. "...This isn't a marriage thing, right?"

She saw a flicker of horrified surprise in Bai Meizhen's eyes though it didn't touch of the rest of her expression. "No, of course not. It is only one of my lesser branch cousins. Certain things need to be made clear," she replied hurriedly.

Ling Qi let out a breath of relief. She had thought maybe something had been arranged for Meizhen, not what the other girl had thought of, but that was fine. She also knew Meizhen wouldn't get any more specific than that in public about a personal meeting. "I'll let you know tomorrow then," she said lightly.
So...whats this about?
Last I knew, Meizhen didn't think anyone in her family was safe to introduce Ling Qi to, aside from Suzhen, and I'd think a Prism in the town would have been noticed.
Her father perhaps?
We sort of made a connection during the festivities, though I'm not sure he'd be introduced through her, given their poor relationship.

Or perhaps the rest of the clan took an interest in Meihen's little friend and now she has the choice of meeting on her terms, or it being forced outside her terms?
For moment Li Suyin looked puzzled, pausing in front of the door to the workshop, but then understanding dawned. "...Father was distraught and angry at my injury," she replied with a sad smile. "Mother and I talked him down from attempting to file a legal suite against the girls involved… it would not help given our relative positions."

Ling Qi grimaced, she wasn't a legal expert at all, but that was obvious to her. Even if Imperial Law technically gave mortals the right to do that kind of thing, it was useless for even a wealthy mortal family to go against a noble clan without equally ranked backer. "They weren't too mad at you though?"

Li Suyin shook her head, turning back to open the workshop door. "Mother was put out with me deceiving them, but… she understood I think. We spoke of it."

Legal Suit is intended here I think.
Legal Suite is quite a different thing.

I'm not sure how the Law extends here, given the environment of the Thunderdome, where injury is expected...and I imagine Suyin doesn't want official attention given her own revenge had been taken already.

Ling Qi looked up at the sounding of chitin scraping against chitin. In the far left corner of the room, the webbing grew into a bulbous nest as large as a full grown man. From it, emerged her friends spirit. The last time they had met the spider had been small enough to fit in her palm. Now the arachnid was the size of a small cat, and pale pink chitin and the thick fuzz that grew from it shimmered with a rainbow of hues. Li Suyin's spirit beast was at the peak of the first realm now, as far as she could tell.
Still pink. Sounds adorifying.
"Zhenli greets Sister Suyin," the spiders voice whispered in the back of Ling Qi's skull. Her jaws worked and her frontmost limbs wriggled warily as her attention turned to Ling Qi. "Zhenli greets the Ling Qi and the moonchild too."

"Don't pay me any mind,"
Sixiang said, seemingly awakened from the bored quasi-sleep they had sunk into during the lecture. "Grandmother doesn't stand on ceremony and neither do I. Just tell your kin to keep the good stuff coming for the next party!"

"Zhenli will pass message,"
the spider let out a high pitched physical chitter, turning her attention to a bemused looking Li Suyin, who was looking curiously at Ling Qi. "Does Sister need Zhenli for anything?"
Well, the Wood Spiders definitely do drugs, and the Dreaming Moon is always up for drugs.
Her friend hesitated for a moment, before opening a drawer and removing a small, glass covered case. Turning back to face her, Li Suyin brought it over to the table she was seated at. Inside the case were six tar black spheres each perhaps two centimeters across. "Su Ling and I discovered a cave several months back. The sinkhole in the forest seemed to have opened it up," she explained.

"Did it now?" Ling Qi asked with concern. "Wasn't that closed off by the Elders?"

"We did not go in until after it was opened again," Li Suyin reassured her. "In any case, the cave was more of a shaft leading straight down for some distance, but at the bottom, we discovered a cave inhabited by all sorts of strange creatures. We harvested a large number, but we did not explore far, the beasts grew stronger very quickly as went further down."

"Those are cores then?" Ling Qi asked, peering down at the black tar balls. Somehow they didn't seem like it.

"That's just it, they didn't react like cores at all," Li Suyin gushed. "They poisoned and ruined every mixture we tried to use them in."

"So what are they then?" Ling Qi said. "And how did you find a use for them?"

"Well, I had noticed that their… aroma resembled that of the impurities flushed out during a cultivation breakthrough," Li Suyin continued cheerfully. "As it turned out, that was the key, these cores are saturated with impurity, but it is possible to strain it out with certain processes. The remaining material acts like a magnet or a sponge afterward, drinking in impurities it comes into contact with."
...pure impurity?!
As others said, its basically a grief seed.
Also the only things we know that gather impurity over their lifetime are basically mortal souls right? And that the shaman was gathering ghosts?
Are those ghost-cores?

Not that this is definitive, given our general ignorance.
Also I wonder that Su Ling 'discovered' it. She knew where it was. Could probably literally smell it.
Li Suyin glanced to the side, rubbing her arm uncomfortably. "They control the forces inside the core. Without regulating formations and Zhenli's web acting to strain the impurities going in, contact with an empty core will rupture and poison flesh at and near the point of contact. It is very… messy."

Ling Qi grimaced, she got the picture. "Well that explains that. Have you told anyone else?"

"I had a conversation with Elder Su regarding my project," Li Suyin replied. "She said that the creation was incompatible with her way, but that it seemed safe to proceed. I have been given dispensation to keep the source and materials secret for a ten year period while I develop my work, after which the Sect will begin letting other disciples experiment. Of course, if they discover it on their own…"
Sounds like she tested on herself first.
Also, given what we know of how humans work, it seems the whole human body is basically made out of impurity, so naturally unfiltered contact with an empty core will try to rip out your humanness?
I can think of several other uses for something like that already:
-The strained out impurity is itself likely a potent poison to cultivators and spirits alike, if you can get it into their system, or get them to absorb it.
-The emptied cores, if of sufficient quantity and size, could probably be used to construct something like a very low level White Room, a chamber which generates a purified space where being surrounded by impurity strainers makes it a better environment to expel impurity.
-The cores MIGHT be usable as power sources for formations. If it can attract something then you can put a barrier to drive something with that attractive force.

Also interesting that its incompatible with Elder Su's Way. Anyone recall whats Elder Su's specialty?

A ten year patent period is pretty huge too...but I suspect the Sect's motives aren't that pure. Suyin is basically the test subject. Promising and skilled enough to likely survive whatever pitfalls may happen...and expendable enough that if she winds up on a deviant path or unleashes forces not meant to be, she could probably be cleaned up without too much fuss.
"Good for you Li Suyin," it sounded like she was going to have a good foundation built before anyone else in the area could try horning in on her discovery. "Do you think you could get better materials further in?"

Li Suyin blinked. "I suppose, but…" she trailed off, and understanding lit in her eyes. "Would you?"

"I'm not sure when I'll have some time, but it sounds like an adventure," Ling Qi laughed. "Don't you think Sixiang?" Besides, she still felt a little uneasy about an open cave under that sinkhole.
It sounds like an ideal environment for us to fight in at least. I'm in.

Yeah, which is what makes this tricky. If we knew that Hanyi wouldn't be joining us until we actually leave the Sect, then I'd say go for it. But otherwise...

That being said, such things aren't set. Her not joining us until we leave would make a lot of sense, and if we did get another spirit and didn't really have the qi for a fourth earlier then I could see that making it even more likely.

Overall, I'd say that we could probably get another spirit this year without it causing problems.
Naw, I expect Hanyi to join us pretty soon(keeping in mind the monthly turn scale), because Zeqin already is dealing with the urge to devour her. She probably won't keep for many months more.

And the project well...remember people already had plans to try to bind Hanyi for a very, very long time. She's probably one of the longest running investments we've made, outside of Meizhen and the Moon.
 
I do think you have a point, given that we aim to progress quickly, the fame will make surprises harder. Perhaps we should have a chat with Cai Renxiang or Bai Meizhen about this, and counterstrategy - perhaps taking some control over the rumor mill through Gu Clan and generally trading favours, to spread some misinformation... there are other ways to play the intelligence game, after all.

We have some connection to the not!Kabuto, right? So we go to him and trade. We give him a skilled infiltrator to point at a couple of targets, he spend misinformation about us through his webs.
 
I don't think that running some kind of absolute informational lockdown on LQ's abilities is really the way to proceed into this year.
Which is why no one is really saying as much, because we understand it is impractical.

The things that I expect to be troublesome to conceal, with other goals in mind, include the current Realm of cultivation (or when Ling Qi moves up to Green 2), improved offence Arts, and some improvements to defensive Arts may find being revealed unavoidable in challenge. Hiding Zhengui's cultivation realm may prove rather difficult given how his advancement seems to work.

Other things are more easily kept unknown. The exact degree to which Ling Qi can sneak into nominally secure building/locations may, if even known to be a possibility, be concealed as long as she is not caught. A perception Art could perhaps be concealed or obfuscated as being still her current one. As could be a new spirit bound to her.

More generally, Challenging crafting track individuals is likely to be, disadvantageous at the very least, and similarly Ling Qi is unlikely to receive many challenges from crafting track types. Therefore the Skills and Arts likely to be hardest to keep unknown are likely to be the ones most directly applicable to combat (or perhaps other feats of related prowess), as that is likely to feature more heavily in her challenges, both as an aggressor and a defender.
*nods* Yeah those are all sensible, though I will poke a hole in your implication that all of these things are of similar difficulty by pointing some things out.

Zhengui is probably going to be one of the hardest, because as you pointed out his particular cultivation physiology makes it kinda patently obvious when he is advancing a realm. And because he is a separate character who does not share our arts, it could be quite difficult for him to have an art which conceals his cultivation realm because he has to develop it on his own, the best one being a variation of his current Stone in The Soil technique. Otherwise we need to spend a talisman on him that can conceal it, which sounds tricky just to source nevermind cost(which is kinda a lesser concern before a certain point, though that point is nebulous).

The Realm/Level of Cultivation is possible to hide and with current thread interests I expect us to end up with an art that can hide that for Ling Qi if we stay the current course. So, I'd rate it as one of the easier ones to fix, and which will be patched inside a few months. (An aside which can help with this is concealing how many resources we are actually consuming, which isn't the hardest thing in the world, in large part because it happens somewhat automatically what with how meditation rooms are secured)

All the other stuff I would rate at about the same level, like you seem to here.

Her father perhaps?
We sort of made a connection during the festivities, though I'm not sure he'd be introduced through her, given their poor relationship.

Or perhaps the rest of the clan took an interest in Meihen's little friend and now she has the choice of meeting on her terms, or it being forced outside her terms?
It says her cousin. It sounds from context like her Xiao maid.

Sounds like she tested on herself first.
Also, given what we know of how humans work, it seems the whole human body is basically made out of impurity, so naturally unfiltered contact with an empty core will try to rip out your humanness?
I can think of several other uses for something like that already:
-The strained out impurity is itself likely a potent poison to cultivators and spirits alike, if you can get it into their system, or get them to absorb it.
-The emptied cores, if of sufficient quantity and size, could probably be used to construct something like a very low level White Room, a chamber which generates a purified space where being surrounded by impurity strainers makes it a better environment to expel impurity.
-The cores MIGHT be usable as power sources for formations. If it can attract something then you can put a barrier to drive something with that attractive force.

Also interesting that its incompatible with Elder Su's Way. Anyone recall whats Elder Su's specialty?
We don't actually, just that she's the head of the medicinal department. And from Discord that Hua Heng is her dad(yrs talked about that today).

Katreus Today at 1:03 PM
@Yrsillar is hua su and hua heng related? same clan?
hua clan must be hrmmm... viscounts somewhere; where are they based?


Erebeal Today at 1:07 PM
Wow, I'm surprised sparring isn't getting more love


Vanguard_D Today at 1:07 PM
but tea


Erebeal Today at 1:07 PM
but training


masc Today at 1:07 PM
didnt we need to get a permit for sparring first?


Tarroyn Today at 1:07 PM
The training nuts got their efficiency fill from the cultivation planner


Yrsillar Today at 1:07 PM
He's her dad, so yes.

Another option is sling ammunition or traps, meant to embed it into people, which is just horrible. Other options could be stuff like figuring them out and using them to extract other things via tuning or other kinds of filters.
 
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