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@DragonParadox if we manage to capture the papalooza token, could we summon It ourselves?
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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If you can't feel empathy for the plight of the thousands that your decrees will ruin if not outright kill, you are unfit to rule them.
Even if there were dozens of innocent people in the guildhall we basically did the equivalent of bombing a munitions factory. It's a shame that there might be dead innocents but that's a risk you take when your job is to help produce weapons.
[X] "Your King!"
-[X] Begin arrangements at once to rescue Thoros' friend enthralled in the Vale
An overdramatic (and somewhat moronic but still epic) reveal that does nothing but harm viserys. The Overlord tradition, as it should be
-[X] Begin arrangements at once to rescue Thoros' friend enthralled in the Vale
An overdramatic (and somewhat moronic but still epic) reveal that does nothing but harm viserys. The Overlord tradition, as it should be
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That Explains a lot of why humans have never been competent leaders.
We are simply not wired for that. It may actually be biologically impossible to do so, without resorting to mental tricks and projections.
Edit: Also, arent you disproving your argument? If we cant care about the people we kill ourselves, how can we care about the people we kill indirectly.
By your own definition, not feeling guilt here would make us unfit to rule
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By the way this back and forth ethics discussion has been very interesting and will end up in Viserys' musings eventually.
We aren't Good either. I cant believe this is coming from most of the people who were lambasting the Good alignment. Indifferent operation efficiency isn't restricted to the Wvil alignment. Hell I'd argue that's the only one that doesnt have it. Even the Archon got practicality. Lawful Neutrals whole shtick is ruthless efficiency.
Heck I'm one of the guys who kept arguing for Good Viserys way after people got annoyed by it. And even I get this shit is why we picked Neutral. Azel is right we have lead to the deaths of of far more decent human beings through our wars than any that were in that building.
Yes I'm including the servants. Let's face it the kind that could survive in a place like that weren't exactly paragons of common men and simple virtues. Even the pyromaners who weren't devil worshippers are probably in hell now. And honestly I'm more disgusted by any of them who arent, just because of the sheer selfdelusion that implies. In the words of Alexander Anderson dont weep for the stupid you'll be crying all day.
Heck I'm one of the guys who kept arguing for Good Viserys way after people got annoyed by it. And even I get this shit is why we picked Neutral. Azel is right we have lead to the deaths of of far more decent human beings through our wars than any that were in that building.
Yes I'm including the servants. Let's face it the kind that could survive in a place like that weren't exactly paragons of common men and simple virtues. Even the pyromaners who weren't devil worshippers are probably in hell now. And honestly I'm more disgusted by any of them who arent, just because of the sheer selfdelusion that implies. In the words of Alexander Anderson dont weep for the stupid you'll be crying all day.
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Like Borry the turtle, at least he lives on somewhere.
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Nope. You cannot mix wine with Sauerkraut and Bratwurst. You'll have a beer with Bratwurst. Seriously being, where's your culture?
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No. I'm repulsed by the idea that any hypothetical peasant in that hole is more worthy of compassion then the thousands who are currently dangling from trees in the Disputed Lands on our orders for some asinine reason like "Wildfire" or "did it ourselves".
Having this kind of reaction to a small, but close loss of life and not having any of it over a huge but distant one is the hallmark of a shitty leader.
Edit: Also, the appeal to human nature is a bad cop-out. It's also human nature to beat each other when we don't like each others faces. The translation of this line has and always will be: "I can't be arsed to care."
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Dude, this isn't about objectivity. Or rather it is, but it's about failing to be objective. People can't be perfectly objective all the time, and one of the few things that make Viserys' falter on this matter are reminders of his father and wildfire in particular.
It was only a moment, and didn't affect any of his decisions, but it happened. Call it a minor personality quirk that needs to have an eye kept on it.
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We understand the concept of total war, but there is a world of difference between "It had to be done" and "these were not people, so no need to feel bad about them".
Sweeping the floors does not requiere an Evil alignment last time i checked, assuming that is the delusion.
Also, i'm done with this argument, you cant Explain empathy.
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That makes zero sense from an emotional point of view, which is what is being discussed.
You are not making an argument relevant to the topic, we all agree It was necessary and that people should matter whether you see it or not.
But that is not hardwired into us, and this is an emotional reaction, not a logical desicion.
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You know the feeling when you want to see the world burn? Yes, I feel it again today
![X] Ham it!
-[X] Have Tyene Major Image the Targaryen Symbol on the night sky.
-[X] "Your rightful king!"
-[X] Begin the Restoration War!
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Wait a minute
! Tyene is with us doing Major Image over the guildhouse as part of the plan. How come she was in the Toad Isle assault also?Oy! I'm not talking about Viserys's reaction or moral conflict! I'm talking about people deciding that the Lyra wannabe and her golden compass knockoff has a right to criticize our decision here. And I can make personal insinuations about your potential sociopathy too.
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An inside job!You know the feeling when you want to see the world burn? Yes, I feel it again today
[X] Ham it!
-[X] Have Tyene Major Image the Targaryen Symbol on the night sky.
-[X] "Your rightful king!"
-[X] Begin the Restoration War!
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Wait a minute
#WildfireCannotMeltRockFoundations
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We definitely need to start a rumor that the destruction of the Alchemist's Guildhall was part of a Lannister conspiracy to eliminate rivals to their power. Even if just a few people believe it, it further muddies the waters, and that can only help us at this point.
I think I may be failing to explain things. It isn't physical proximity that's the issue but the immediacy of the decision. The people who die in the Disputed Lands do not do so solely though Viserys' choices but intervening factors like 'being someone who could be considered an enforcer ' or the 'judgement call of the legion commanders 'whereas here it was: 'I consider this to be a dangerous place therefore I condemn all those who happen to be here at this hour to death sight unseen'.
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This is plainly wrong. Emotions are expressions of your psyche. They are trained responses and can change quite a bit through effort. That's the entire point of both therapy (assuming you don't need psychopharmaca to address physical problems) and desensitization training on the other end of the spectrum.
It is the most fundamental part of self-improvement to not follow your basest instincts, but instead to consciously fight them when you notice their detrimental effects.
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Whether she has a right to critizise our decision has no actual impact inim feeling bad about It.
We went into this knowing we would kill innocents, that was clear from the very beginning, but being reminded about It stings, briefly.
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I'm not a sociopath! My mom had me tested
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Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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You are still talking about schrodinger Viserys, Cares about all his subjects, yet does not feel anything when killing them.
The fact that some people can simply dont feel a thing when they kill innocents does not mean no one should. Viserys Cares, thus he feels. This has been made abundantly clear in the narration, you getting hung Up on this now makes no sense.
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I get what you mean, but I still consider it a reprehensible disconnect from the effects of his own actions.
He also condemned the people in the Disputed Lands sight unseen. Had he not given the order, they would be still alive. We can now argue if this is better or worse then letting the problem fester... but isn't that exactly what we just argued about in regards to the guild?