Part MMCCLVII: Of Winter's Fastness
Of Winter's Fastness

First Day of the Fifth Month 293 AC

"An interesting idea," you allow after some thought. "However there are other uses one could put it to which do not risk stirring the Others from their slumber before time. I had thought to sell it to the spirits of air and stone in their war against the efreeti who hold mastery of fire. It seems a fitting weapon for such a task, and besides being paid I shall sleep easier knowing that the heart was taken beyond the boundaries of this world."

"A fair thought," Bloodraven allows. Having grown more used to guessing the thoughts and emotions behind his lined ancient countenance, you read upon them fleeting surprise that you do not wish to take the most audacious thought.

"I wished to ask you of something I learned in Lannisport..."

"Forgive an old schemer's curiosity, Your Grace, but what did Tywin Lannister finally do that drove you to respond by rotting half his docks and a third of the ships at anchor, no less?" Bloodraven interrupts. "Something to do with Essos and trade I heard, but my ears are yet few east of the Narrow Sea."

You gladly indulge the interest, laying out the Lannister plan, such that you could guess it: attacking Tyroshi trade interests then framing you for the deed to cause unrest in the city, perhaps opening it to further infiltration or some other attack.

"Ironic, though not unfitting, that you would react more poorly to a threat to your coffers than an armed invasion," Brynden Rivers says, giving another of his short, painful laughs.

"Why should I have reacted poorly to an attack that handed me ships and the crew to man them ready for the taking, with but a handful of spells and an offer of clemency?" you counter just as lightly, though to be honest you fear a second fleet not so much of the threat it poses as because another triumph of that caliber would likely spawn spontaneous uprisings in your favor, either forcing your hand to move west too soon or letting men flying your banners die.

Shaking off the grim thought you return to the matter at hand, the winter-souled hag who had been awoken from her tomb by the Westerling girl. You would have every cause to hunt such places, not only for the treasures they might hold, but for the threat any denizens may pose, now or when Winter is finally upon the world.

"Such places would be warded against my sight most of all," the ancient sorcerer replies. "However, I can make a fair guess as to where they might be found. Seek out the highest mountains and the deepest caverns, those corners of the world scorned by man and beast alike... Dalla of the Sons of the Mist knows of some from the tales the clansmen speak when the fire burns low on cold winter nights. Perhaps there are other hermits, outcasts, hedge witches who know more."

"Perhaps they even come to know too much," you sigh. "The thought of foolish treasure hunters or madman entering such fastnesses of the Great Other leaves a bitter taste in my mouth."

"I have thrice now found myself set against such pawns, though each time I was able to set a likely hero into their path seeking fame, glory, or riches," Bloodraven agrees.

"You do not think much of heroes," you note, tone carefully neutral.

"The true heroes are not the ones who slay the monster, but the ones who build a better world upon its corpse." His shoulders twitch in what might have been an attempt at a shrug, but beneath his seeming nonchalance you spy for a fleeting instant the shadow of old pain. Daemon Blackfyre was a hero to many, a knight at three-and-ten, comely of face and lordly of bearing, even dying a hero's death where his slayer had to reign as Hand and hear for many years the slings and curses of highborn and low.

"What is the realm of the Others?" you quickly change the subject. "What rules does it follow and what precisely dwells within?"

"Were you to travel by foot north from this cave you would find forests thinning to cold brushland and hardy grasses, to lichen-covered stone, and finally to bare rock and crushing ice. Were you then to press on against every instinct of mind and soul you would find yourself in a realm that is both part of the world and yet heavy with the hateful dreams of the thing the priests of R'hllor call the Great Others. Whether it is one thing or many, or even if such distinctions matter to it I cannot say, but there have been some bold enough to make the journey in the past and fortunate enough to return. Thus I can share with you some advice on how you may survive there."

"I'm not planning a journey anytime soon," you assure him.

Bloodraven nods in acknowledgement but continues in the same even half-whisper he uses to spare his ravaged voice: "Light no fires upon the ice, but scrape first to stone beneath. Drink no water from the icefields that has not been brought to a rolling boil thrice. Do not run over those cursed fields without a weirwood staff to guide your path by striking holes through the ice to see if there is solid ground, raging water, or lightless caverns beneath "

"No lesser staff?" you question. "Was that the reason for this..." you motion towards the token of your pledge to the Old Gods.

"One of the reasons," he replies. "Not the first in my mind, but certainly not the last."

"What might one find in the Farthest North in the dreams of the Other?" you ask rather than questioning what his other motives may be.

"There are said to be cities half buried in the ice where the dead walk, going about the hollow half-understood motions of life, cliffs upon which the wind wails like the screams of the dying, and the damned vaults filled the treasures of the Dawn Age guarded by great wyrms of ice. How far the ice goes or what lies beyond it none know, for no living traveler has reached the end of it."

"If it is a dream then perhaps it has no end," you offer.

"Half a dream, and the world we stand on is a bounded sphere as the sages of old discovered long ago," Bloodraven replies gravely. "For all the dreadful power of the Enemy it would not do to forget that this is now the world of men and what mortal wisdom tells us of it."

What do you do next?

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-[] Write in

[] Speak to Leaf about Ifequevron

[] Write in


OOC: Sorry this took so long. Exposition is tricky to present.
 
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Eating it ourselves is not tempting at all. At least not to me.

Viserys is a Red Dragon now, a being of Fire, with a distinct vulnerability to Cold-based damage and magic. Swallowing a Cold-based Artifact is just asking for trouble.
By this point, I'm ready to have Viserys eat just about anything, only to get that "Has stolen power and knowledge from a god" tag Dany has :/
There was so much hopes in eating Ymeri's tree.
And dice has failed us.

*weeps*
 
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Would you want a nuclear reactor which is running on pure plutonium and where every single fuel rod is sentient and hates you with undying passion?
We dont know how much influence Will the others have, or how much we can sever them from It, which is the whole point of researching.
This is pure fearmongering, you are saying we should not research It because you cannot imagine any outcome of that research that is positive to us.
 
[X] Elder Gods
-[X] Given that a major tenant of his faith is the war against the Great Other, what can you tell us about R'hllor? Was he perhaps the "fire to the east" the First Men fled from?
--[X] What do you know of the flaming sword Lightbringer and Azor Ahai, the man the Red Priests claim drove back the Long Night? What do you know of the Last Hero? Were Azor Ahai and the Last Hero the same person?
-[X] Ask about Father Storm, what the Old Gods know of him, how that will be in relation to Ysilla Royce who is bound to him and Mya Stone who is born of that divine lineage and who is now in our service.
-[X] Update Bloodraven on Ymeri activity in the Far North, and ask what other powerful spirits and gods he's noticed meddling in the Farthest North.
-[X] Update Bloodraven on the discoveries in Sothoryos and about Lolth and the Underdark. Ask about the passages he's aware of, excluding the one in Old Town.
 
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[X] Ask more questions
-[X] Ask if It would be possible to harness the power of the heart by wards and rituals, that its power may serve our own workings without risking interference from the enemy.
-[X] Given that a major tenant of his faith is the war against the Great Other, what can you tell us about R'hllor? Was he perhaps the "fire to the east" the First Men fled from?
--[X] What do you know of the flaming sword Lightbringer and Azor Ahai, the man the Red Priests claim drove back the Long Night? What do you know of the Last Hero? Were Azor Ahai and the Last Hero the same person?
-[X] Ask about Father Storm, what the Old Gods know of him, how that will be in relation to Ysilla Royce who is bound to him and Mya Stone who is born of that divine lineage and who is now in our service.
-[X] Update Bloodraven on Ymeri activity in the Far North, and ask what other powerful spirits and gods he's noticed meddling in the Farthest North.
-[X] Update Bloodraven on the discoveries in Sothoryos and about Lolth and the Underdark. Ask about the passages he's aware of, excluding the one in Old Town.

Edit: added duesal's questions, because of course he has a list of 100 questions ready.
 
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We dont know how much influence Will the others have, or how much we can sever them from It, which is the whole point of researching.
This is pure fearmongering, you are saying we should not research It because you cannot imagine any outcome of that research that is positive to us.
You are straw-manning me. I'm against building any permanent fixtures out of the heart, since by it's very nature, that fixture would be powered by the Others and thus open to their influence. Shutting them out completely would require to turn off the very thing that runs the heart.

I'm not against researching it in general to see if we can get some other use out of it for our PC's.
 
"Forgive an old schemer's curiosity, Your Grace, but what did Tywin Lannister finally do that drove you to respond by rotting half his docks and a third of the ships at anchor, no less?" Bloodraven interrupts. "Something to do with Essos and trade I heard, but my ears are yet few east of the Narrow Sea."
The sweet taste of victory... tastes a bit like moldy wood this time.
"Ironic, though not unfitting that you would react more poorly to a threat to your coffers than an armed invasion," Brynden Rivers says, giving another of his short, painful laughs.
Frankly, there is little distinction in this case. He tried to assault our coffers and incite plotting and revolt among our newest subjects.

It was a very clever move that could have done a lot of damage, I will freely give him that. But being our enemy and showing yourself competent on top of that is a great way to shorten your life-span.
"Why should I have reacted poorly to an attack that handed me ships and the crew to man them ready for the taking, with but a handful of spells and an offer of clemency?" you counter just as lightly, though to be honest you fear a second fleet not so much of the threat it poses as because another triumph of that caliber would likely spawn spontaneous uprisings in your favor, either forcing your hand to move west too soon or letting men flying your banners die.
Which reminds me...

@Duesal, can you add this at some point?
-[] Ask him about the prophecy he gave so long ago, that we should wait until the Ursuper has died to invade Westeros. Is it still valid and if not, what would be the best way to hurry the conditions along?
 
You are straw-manning me. I'm against building any permanent fixtures out of the heart, since by it's very nature, that fixture would be powered by the Others and thus open to their influence. Shutting them out completely would require to turn off the very thing that runs the heart.

I'm not against researching it in general to see if we can get some other use out of it for our PC's.
Thats the thing, you are already assuming the research will come out "they will always have influence through It", when It well could be "with proper binding, they will be powerless to do anything unless the bindings are tampered with".

That there is a connection to the others does not necessarily mean they can act through It.
It might of course, which is why i want to do the research.
 
It is likely an underreport of the damzge, anyway. The spores would have grown fastest where there was the least saltwater, i.e. stockpiles of seasoned and seasoning wood. And that is definitely nontrivial to replace.
Thing is that we also went for lumbermills and logging camps.

Most likely, every carpenter in Lannisport used infected wood before the fungus went active, thus spreading it over quite a lot of the city.
 
Thats the thing, you are already assuming the research will come out "they will always have influence through It", when It well could be "with proper binding, they will be powerless to do anything unless the bindings are tampered with".

That there is a connection to the others does not necessarily mean they can act through It.
It might of course, which is why i want to do the research.
Look, I'm leery enough of our own Whispering Brazier network ever since it clicked why DP had them fluffed as burning flames instead of mere sand as they were in the original proposal.

My paranoia is quite firmly against any repeats of that particular issue, so I err on the side of caution.
 
Eh, I'm more for research and sacrifice the heart, I would like to research one way to power up the Shadow Tower to make the Icecrown Citadel with AC. :V

But, fuck using it directly or eating it, its not only Ice but also Death
 
Yessss ask if he is asmodeus. That pleases me.

Also. I hate to say it, but we should probably ask him what he has dug up about "our mutual snakey acquaintance". Since there is now way in the nine rings of hell he has not done all the digging he possibly could on the living god we are sharing an island with.

I mean I doubt he found anything bad, but I am curious.
Do you consider Dany an ongoing risk because she draws her Magic from Tiamat?
Drew, and yes. Yes I did.
 
Look, I'm leery enough of our own Whispering Brazier network ever since it clicked why DP had them fluffed as burning flames instead of mere sand as they were in the original proposal.

My paranoia is quite firmly against any repeats of that particular issue, so I err on the side of caution.
Can we make them not be flames? I don't want R'hllor listening in.
 
Look, I'm leery enough of our own Whispering Brazier network ever since it clicked why DP had them fluffed as burning flames instead of mere sand as they were in the original proposal.

My paranoia is quite firmly against any repeats of that particular issue, so I err on the side of caution.
And i agree, i'm paranoid too, but we should not let that stop us.
I'm not advocating to just plug in the heart right now, i want to research first.
But It seems like you dont want to even do the research, you are just assuming the worst case scenario its the one thats going to happen, like you already had the final report from the research on your hands, and using that to justify not doing the research.

Lets just ask, we lose nothing, if the risks are too high we stop and thats it, but we should ask.
 
And i agree, i'm paranoid too, but we should not let that stop us.
I'm not advocating to just plug in the heart right now, i want to research first.
But It seems like you dont want to even do the research, you are just assuming the worst case scenario its the one thats going to happen, like you already had the final report from the research on your hands, and using that to justify not doing the research.

Lets just ask, we lose nothing, if the risks are too high we stop and thats it, but we should ask.
And he isn't saying we shouldn't research it?
 
@Duesal, can you add this at some point?
-[] Ask him about the prophecy he gave so long ago, that we should wait until the Ursuper has died to invade Westeros. Is it still valid and if not, what would be the best way to hurry the conditions along?

We can't kill him because Stannis and Ned would be all "Oh noes! You killed an asshole" or some such. Can we fulfil the prophecy on our terms though? Literally make him fall.

And then tell him that the enemy of all life is acting, so if he wants to be a mighty warrior hero rather than a drunken seat warmer who hates his life, we can drop him off at the wall*?

I imagine that we can throw down a speech about how important the Black Brothers standing together and how killing someone mighty that we very purposefully did not kill would not earn our gratitude, so much as furious disappointment.

*this necessitates that he has been training and is at least level 8-12
 
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