I still can't totally agree with us producing fiend blood in labs.

I mean, I'd rather use a more fluff apropiate way of aquiring it. Like buying mercenary companies that work at the Blood War.
 
By the way...

Twilight - Eberron Pathfinder


The Twilight enchantment is so, so cheap! o_O And only CL 5?! Couldn't we have gotten Valaena in Mithral Fullplate by now?

Here's some other stuff I found on the subject:

I know for a fact that Thistledown Padding has been talked about before, I just didn't really know what it was. But in any case, this makes me want a Fey Smith at some point. I'm sure we'll be able to find one eventually. We'll be able to do fun things with that.

@Goldfish @TotallyNotEvil a couple questions on the subject if you guys don't mind.
1. What's the arcane spell failure chance for Chainmail, Breastplate, Plate, and Full Plate?
2. Do different metals have different spell failure chances?
3. Is the spell failure different between arcane and divine casters?
4. If we put Twilight on fullplate right now, would that be a good option for Valaena?
5. If we stick Twilight on an Extreme Animated Shield, would that make it worth it for Viserys or is that still a no?

I'm expecting it to be extremely tough given what we'll be getting out of it, but by that point we will have well and truly earned our living blood bags.
Can't recall the ASF chance for armors off the top of my head. Check out the equipment section of the d20srd.com for that info.

Only Mithral has a different ASF that I can recall.

Divine casters don't have to worry about ASF. It's Arcane casters only.

Vaelana is a Dex-based Gishy Magus. She's probably better off in what she has for now.

An Animated shield does not cause any ASF. It's also largely superfluous for any caster able to use the Shield spell, which is generally just better in every way, except that it requires a few seconds to cast.
 
As I understand it, animated effect on shields removes the ASF. Can someone confirm?
If that's true then we should be pouncing on a shield for Viserys. I'm gunning for a Valyrian Steel shield.
And on the matter of smithing, I'm pretty sure we can now resurrect the Mage-Smith we have killed some time ago.

Research action on that had already been done by now, if not mentioned in any capacity.

We have a ritual almost tailor-made for that too.
1. We didn't kill the mage smith, he sacrificed himself. The only reason people think we murdered him is because that maid in Braavos couldn't keep her mouth shut even after we paid her. Freaking maid. :mad:
2. The smith's soul isn't gone, he became Oathkeeper. On occasion Oathkeeper is referred to as "the dead smith". Resurrecting the smith will destroy Ser Richard's sword.
1) Armor.
2) Insofar as Mithral reduces.
3) Divine casters don't have one. Some arcane also not.
4) Do the math - see 1)
5) Not necessary, it's animated therefore spell failure chance == 0.
Wait, Chainmail has an ASF chance of 30%? So even with the Twilight enchantment on that chainmail, that's still an ASF of 20%. Thistledown padding shaves off another 5%, bringing that down to 15% ASF overall. It being mithral reduces another 10%, so that's still an ASF of 5% which is still terrible when you want 0%.

Can someone please tell me I'm wrong? I was hoping that armor could go to Lya.
 
And on the matter of smithing, I'm pretty sure we can now resurrect the Mage-Smith we have killed some time ago.

Research action on that had already been done by now, if not mentioned in any capacity.

We have a ritual almost tailor-made for that too.

I might be remembering this wrong but the Mage-Smith you're talking about is the one that forged Oathkeeper right? In that case wouldn't resurrecting him destroy Oathkeeper? I thought that his soul had gone into creating the weapon and if removed would invalidate it.
 
I might be remembering this wrong but the Mage-Smith you're talking about is the one that forged Oathkeeper right? In that case wouldn't resurrecting him destroy Oathkeeper? I thought that his soul had gone into creating the weapon and if removed would invalidate it.
Yep, resurrecting him destroys our awesome sword for Ser Richard. He'd probably be mad at us too, lol. He really did not like being old, and Resurrection wouldn't fix that. Reincarnation might, but we're far away from more powerful variants.

IIRC True Reincarnate costs XP. That's a solid nope in my book.
 
Erm, no guys, I meant that sentient mage-construct, that we fought when hunting Tiamat clerics and Illyrio.

Sorry for bad phrasing.
 
@Goldfish, @Duesal, @TotallyNotEvil

Can we agree on these research topics next?
1. Fungal Bio-Reactors and -Incubators.
2. Valyrian Steel creation
3. Anti-Grav engine

I would put Vee and Mercy on the first, the Qohor smith on the second, and Lya and Naria on the third.

Edit: Potential helpers:
1. Xor
2. Waymar, Tyene
3. Aradia?
 
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[X] Beside the homes of the Singers, that its guardian may serve as their ally forever more
 
@Goldfish, @Duesal, @TotallyNotEvil

Can we agree on these research topics next?
1. Fungal Bio-Reactors and -Incubators.
2. Valyrian Steel creation
3. Anti-Grav engine

I would put Vee and Mercy on the first, the Qohor smith on the second, and Lya and Naria on the third.
@Azel, we got word from DP that the Dedicated Wrights study action is going to need a bit more time.
@DragonParadox, can you give us the scope of the Dedicated Wrights research action? We were never given any info on the project, so we just ended up randomly assigning around a week of Lya's time towards it. How many days does the project require, and how much will Naria be able to help?
That takes 12-15 days
We'll be getting 7 days out of the way this month. We never got word from DP on whether or not Naria would be able to help, though.

I'd say finish this up, then have Lya go through that list with Naria and Vee. For a start for the Fungus Forge maybe just have Vee spend a week or two doing general improvements.

EDIT: Faceless'd, our priorities are pretty much the same on that front.
 
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When talking about the Dedicated Wrights you guys are talking about these right?

Dedicated Wright

I was slightly confused by some people calling them Wrights and some Wights, which as far as I knew were two different beings
 
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@Azel, we got word from DP that the Dedicated Wrights study action is going to need a bit more time.

We'll be getting 7 days out of the way this month. We never got word from DP on whether or not Naria would be able to help, though.

I'd say finish this up, then have Lya go through that list with Naria and Vee. For a start for the Fungus Forge maybe just have Vee spend a week or two doing general improvements.
The thing is, with the build time of the first and third, we should do them in parallel. The second requires the first for good results.

Lastly, Fungus Pods is something far more up Vees biology department then Lyas.
 
@Goldfish, @Duesal, @TotallyNotEvil

Can we agree on these research topics next?
1. Fungal Bio-Reactors and -Incubators.
2. Valyrian Steel creation
3. Anti-Grav engine

I would put Vee and Mercy on the first, the Qohor smith on the second, and Lya and Naria on the third.

Edit: Potential helpers:
1. Xor
2. Waymar, Tyene
3. Aradia?
We need to remember that all of these research actions can be further supplemented by assistants using the Philosopher's Tree and the Aid Another action. Wasn't it you, @egoo, who figured up how much of an overall bonus we could gain to relevant research in this manner?
 
When talking about the Dedicated Wrights you guys are talking about these right?

Dedicated Wright
Yep. Those. Lya's had two of them for a while, and she's been able to craft at the same time as them, so it's clear that they don't operate by the standard rules for years now IRL. The approved study action is with the following goals:

1. See what the "hard limit" is for the amount of Dedicated Wrights that can be given to Lya.
2. See if we can make Dedicated Wrights for other crafters, starting with Valeria since she's literally created from part of Lya's soul.

But mainly point 1, since Lya's the strongest and most versatile of our crafters, and wrights assigned to her will accomplish the most.
The thing is, with the build time of the first and third, we should do them in parallel. The second requires the first for good results.

Lastly, Fungus Pods is something far more up Vees biology department then Lyas.
Alright, that's fair. And with the Valyrian Steel, honestly, Naria only needs a few days to present our new Qohorik Smith with everything we've already figured out on the subject. If he's good enough to fully figure out mithral in a few weeks, he's good enough to head this project on his own. The only problem is we've never met the guy and can't gauge how trustworthy he'll be and if he might decide to hide anything. Qohorik smiths are notoriously insular and secretive.
 
We need to remember that all of these research actions can be further supplemented by assistants using the Philosopher's Tree and the Aid Another action. Wasn't it you, @egoo, who figured up how much of an overall bonus we could gain to relevant research in this manner?
The only time I said anything like that, was when talking about Scholarum Sorcerers.
They can give up to +10 to rolls with Aid Another.
But only on Knowledge (Arcana) and Spellcraft skills.

Philosopher's Tree is +20 on any kNowledGe though, yes.
 
@Azel @Goldfish before those, a quick rezzing of the powerful construct mage @egoo reminded us about? Another level 6? Caster we can diplomance into accepting us as patron and get use out off... Sooner is better.
 
@Azel @Goldfish before those, a quick rezzing of the powerful construct mage @egoo reminded us about? Another level 6? Caster we can diplomance into accepting us as patron and get use out off... Sooner is better.
Wait, Illyrio's warforged? That's less a "quick rezzing" and more a dedicated study action. We can get around to it, sure, but IC nobody thought it would be easy. Even the wizard himself thought we'd fail when we used speak with dead.
 
Wait, Illyrio's warforged? That's less a "quick rezzing" and more a dedicated study action. We can get around to it, sure, but IC nobody thought it would be easy. Even the wizard himself thought we'd fail when we used speak with dead.
we had 6 days allocated to him through these 2 months, or so?
I think we should get at least something, at least approximation of action's length now.
 
[X] The Queen Rhaella, awakening the ship to life

So my view on the matter: I was never a fan of the whole "cast fly to make the ship float" because I also agreed with @Azel that it wasn't the aesthetic I was looking for.

But he never gave up on techno-magical engineering projects either, despite agreeing not to openly oppose this personal project anymore.

So that was my stake on the whole matter. I'm not heartless enough to shoot down someone's baby on principle. Not when it wouldn't even effect anything I care about.

What I do worry about, is that the person behind this one, @TotallyNotEvil, has said some things to the effect of not liking magical engineering. Mostly because you kind of have to fudge with math that may or may not be accurate, but mostly just looks accurate to justify the point of implementation.

What are we supposed to do, go into our back yards or sheds and invent a mundane way to do the same thing without the same budget Viserys has access to? The method of implementation is there for the aesthetics.

I digress. This seems fine. If I hate it later on, I can always vote away from ever interacting with it and make a case that other people shouldn't either.

Adhoc vote count started by Crake on Aug 10, 2018 at 1:22 PM, finished with 149 posts and 36 votes.
 
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