[X] Goldfish

@Azel what I dislike is that, well, Fire is the enemy. And Water are little shits.

Its way too presumptuous, and might backfire badly.

Goldie shows off the real wonder of the plane of balance in a organic way.

Yours is feeling forced.
 
On the one hand, the embassies seem a little gauche to me and I think Goldfish's approach is more elegant in its simplicity. On the other hand, if Azel thinks we'd need them going foward for whatever financial devilry he has planned, then it's best to get them out of the way

[X] Azel
There's no reason we can't arrange for that later.

Goldfish is arranging for personalized Magnificnet Mansions.

That's how you show power without being gauche: house your guests in 7th level luxury hotels.

Most importantly, first impressions stick.

I'd much rather they land in Paradise, than a pale imitation of their usual places.
 
[X] Goldfish

@Azel what I dislike is that, well, Fire is the enemy. And Water are little shits.

Its way too presumptuous, and might backfire badly.

Goldie shows off the real wonder of the plane of balance in a organic way.

Yours is feeling forced.

Except that Geniekind remember when that wasn't the case - fire being the enemy, at least. The Vizier directly stated that the PoB used to be a place where the Elements could find harmony, that it could be of aid for us to host these negotiations. If we show a willingness not just to create a space for them, but a hope that maybe it can be for all of their kind, then we're giving them a promise that's a lot bigger than weapons or words. Creating a space to welcome those of the planes and make them comfortable is enormously important, and it feeds very deeply into the links we want to forge with them. Throwing them into the dirt could be seen as organic, but I'd prefer something more real. And either way, what we create for them is entirely artificial. At least with @Azel's plan, what we create will last.
 
And either way, what we create for them is entirely artificial. At least with @Azel's plan, what we create will last.

If not already home to bountiful plant life, steps will be taken by our Druid Treants and Leshy, Vee, and Viserys if necessary, to turn the area into a close approximation of a botanical paradise.

designated meeting area will be warded with a Forbiddance spell
Permanent Duration.
Hallow spell like ability to ward the area, tying a Freedom of Movement spell to it as both a precaution and a promise that we would never seek to bind our Genie allies.
Instantaneous.
The meeting site itself will be located out in the open in an area constructed to conform to a mix of observed Djinni and Shaitan aesthetics, and using any insights gained from books and other lore pertaining to Genie construction practices.

Overall Natural and lasting.
 
Overall Natural and lasting.

Nature forced into a form not natural is no longer nature. It's just as artificial as the Manses you're voting against.

Anyway, I gotta sleep.
Adhoc vote count started by Snowfire on Aug 3, 2018 at 9:10 PM, finished with 211754 posts and 18 votes.

  • [X] Plan Planar Conference With Actual Conference Center
    -[X] Host the conference in a purpose built facility on the island of SD, somewhat away from the actual city.
    --[X] Do not bring the two new sets of Megaproject tools into use for the Tyrosh - SD Highway, instead use them to build a meeting facility and two manses to host your guests from Amun Kelisk and the Opaline Vault
    --[X] Use your books (see last line of the vote) and ask Embra and House Adjar for input on the designs.
    --[X] The main meeting room should incorporate all elements in its construction. Pilars of finely worked, yet natural looking stone, a few tasteful artificial waterfalls, the roof resting on pillars, leaving room for huge windows, decorations in finely carved wood and large braziers illuminating it all. The message here is the unity and balance between the elements.
    --[X] The two manses should be opposite each other on a circular road enclosing the meeting facility. Leave enough room that it is obvious that you left space for a Fire and Water manse, to signify your commitment to hopefully host gatherings between all kinds of genies in a brighter future when there is peace between them again. Aim for quality here, but to not try to be too gaudy or ostentatious.
    -[X] Invite a few people on your side:
    --[X] The Creek-Caliph for Braavos.
    --[X] Lady Uraka for the Iron Bank, specifically request her, just in case the higher ups think this above her pay-grade.
    --[X] Inform House Adjar ahead of time, so that they might have a chance to attend on the Shaitan side. Being friends with us has a tendency to pay for you.
    --[X] Doran Martell as a Lord directly sworn to Viserys. If he aids us here to get everything in order, the planar markets are wide open for him.
    --[X] Velen as one of our oldest friends and allies, as well as a benevolent representative of the Plane of Fire.
    --[X] Breath-Taker as the representative of the nearby Tritons, the Merling King, and the Plane of Water.
    --[X] Relath as a Lord directly sworn to Viserys. The same as Doran. Play ball, gain a slice of the cake.
    --[X] Meet with Yrael to talk about the future. Depending on the outcome of this discussion, maybe invite him to the conference.
    --[X] Soft Strider as a representative of her people, and an ally against the coming darkness of the Others.
    --[X] Bronze Yon as Lord sworn to Viserys and future LP of the Vale. If nothing else, he could spend some time with his daughter.
    ---[X] If he comes, brief Ysilla to not mention Azema. At all.
    --[X] If Zherys has the time to attend and the Divinations to check on his truthfulness after the coup come up green, invite him too. He would be a junior partner in all of this, though Volantis can profit greatly from the deals we strike here.
    --[X] Salladhor Saan as a Lord directly sworn to Viserys. Remind him that these are the big leagues, so he should try to tone down his roguish charm.
    ---[X] Appraise him of the future of his raiding fleet. It is untenable to keep raiding in the Narrow Sea, for pickings are getting slimmer and political developments in the near future may or may not dry up completely. We have two options for him:
    ----[X] 1. He heads a military campaign to claim the Basilisk Isles for us. He renounces his claim on Port Sorrow or passes it on to another Saan and instead gets the whole Basilisk Isles. The islands are currently poor in anything but slaves and pirates, but we have grand plans for the area and Sothoryos. Furthermore, it puts his ship in reach of Ghiscary shipping lines.
    ----[X] 2. He strikes a side-deal with the genies and hire himself and his crews to them. They have sky-ships, not sea-ships, but we trust him to none the less have a very productive privateer career against the Efreeti.
    --[X] Lords Brune and Velarion, due to being directly sworn to Viserys. While there are not many thinks they could gain from interacting with the genies, they shouldn't be left out and it is a good chance to rub elbows with the other people around.
    -[X] Further attendants:
    --[X] Malarys as legal aide to Viserys
    --[X] Richard as Viserys bodyguard.
    --[X] Maelor as Viserys gofer, so that he can learn something.
    --[X] The rest of the companions will not be part of the actual meeting, but can freely chat with everyone attending as they please.
    --[X] Put Rhealla and Lya in charge of accommodating the guests. Rhealla because she has experience in these things, Lya because she has the planar lore necessary to understand this particular batch.
    -[X] Security
    --[X] In addition to previously mentioned warding, run regular and spontaneous divination's to make sure there are no interruptions for this meeting. None. Incoming Divinations should clearly show that any attempts to interrupt, let alone attack this meeting will result in a fate worse then the torments of the pit for any who dared it. This includes our old friends the Lannisters. If they try to interrupt this, Casterly Rock will be nothing but a glass stain on a pile of rubble that was once a mountain.
    -[X] Next Action:
    --[X] Fetch Xor before returning to Oddo's. He might like to meet another apparently benevolent being who originated in the Far Realm.
    --[X] Buy books as planned. Add a few volumes on Genie culture and architecture, primers on Genie laws and legal practices, and any tomes related to Dungeoneering, Nature, or War.
    --[X] Attempt to purchase Call the Void, Ruin Delver's Fortune, Spell Enhancer, Scribe's Binding, and Wall of Eyes spell scrolls.
    --[X] Buy a few common and inexpensive books.
    --[X] Buy a book on cryptography.
    [X] Plan Planar Conference Mk II
    -[X] The conference will be hosted in a location on the island of Sorcerer's Deep selected for its natural beauty, preferably with Narrow Sea in view. If not already home to bountiful plant life, steps will be taken by our Druid Treants and Leshy, Vee, and Viserys if necessary, to turn the area into a close approximation of a botanical paradise.
    --[X] The designated meeting area will be warded with a Forbiddance spell cast by Dany while affected by Lya's Harmonic Chorus and Moment of Greatness spells in order to boost her caster level to 17th level. A password will be added to the effect in order to allow the genie and other attendants safe passage into the Forbiddance area without harm. Dany will also use her Half-Celestial form's Hallow spell like ability to ward the area, tying a Freedom of Movement spell to it as both a precaution and a promise that we would never seek to bind our Genie allies.
    --[X] Lya will place a Mage's Private Sanctum spell over the area, along with layered Refusal spells, also password coded to allow the Genie's unfettered access. Tyene will add her own False Vision spells to the meeting site to further obscure the location from any attempted Scrying.
    ---[X] The meeting site itself will be located out in the open in an area constructed to conform to a mix of observed Djinni and Shaitan aesthetics, and using any insights gained from books and other lore pertaining to Genie construction practices.
    ----[X] The weather will be perfect on the day of the meeting, even if Dany or Malarys need to prepare and cast multiple Control Weather spells.
    ----[X] Each delegation of Genies will be provided with extraplanar accommodations created by Lya's Magnificent Mansion spells, with internal dimensions and layout tailored specifically to their desires. This not only provides the most comfortable possible lodging for the Genies, but adds an additional layer of security which cannot be easily bypassed.
    -[X] Invite a few people on your side:
    --[X] The Creek-Caliph for Braavos.
    --[X] Lady Uraka for the Iron Bank, specifically request her, just in case the higher ups think this above her pay-grade.
    --[X] Inform House Adjar ahead of time, so that they might have a chance to attend on the Shaitan side. Being friends with us has a tendency to pay for you.
    --[X] Doran Martell as a Lord directly sworn to Viserys. If he aids us here to get everything in order, the planar markets are wide open for him.
    --[X] Velen as one of our oldest friends and allies, as well as a benevolent representative of the Plane of Fire.
    --[X] Breath-Taker as the representative of the nearby Tritons, the Merling King, and the Plane of Water.
    --[X] Relath as a Lord directly sworn to Viserys. The same as Doran. Play ball, gain a slice of the cake.
    --[X] Yrael as a representative of the Archons of Mantarys, the first city we freed from Demonic rule.
    --[X] Soft Strider as a representative of her people, and an ally against the coming darkness of the Others.
    --[X] Bronze Yon as Lord sworn to Viserys and future LP of the Vale. If nothing else, he could spend some time with his daughter.
    ---[X] If he comes, brief Ysilla to not mention Azema. At all.
    --[X] If Zherys has the time to attend and the Divinations to check on his truthfulness after the coup come up green, invite him too. He would be a junior partner in all of this, though Volantis can profit greatly from the deals we strike here.
    --[X] Salladhor Saan as a Lord directly sworn to Viserys. Remind him that these are the big leagues, so he should try to tone down his roguish charm.
    ---[X] Appraise him of the future of his raiding fleet. It is untenable to keep raiding in the Narrow Sea, for pickings are getting slimmer and political developments in the near future may or may not dry up completely. We have two options for him:
    ----[X] 1. He heads a military campaign to claim the Basilisk Isles for us. He renounces his claim on Port Sorrow or passes it on to another Saan and instead gets the whole Basilisk Isles. The islands are currently poor in anything but slaves and pirates, but we have grand plans for the area and Sothoryos. Furthermore, it puts his ship in reach of Ghiscary shipping lines.
    ----[X] 2. He strikes a side-deal with the genies and hire himself and his crews to them. They have sky-ships, not sea-ships, but we trust him to none the less have a very productive privateer career against the Efreeti.
    --[X] Lords Brune and Velarion, due to being directly sworn to Viserys. While there are not many thinks they could gain from interacting with the genies, they shouldn't be left out and it is a good chance to rub elbows with the other people around.
    -[X] Further attendants:
    --[X] Malarys as legal aide to Viserys
    --[X] Richard as Viserys bodyguard.
    --[X] Maelor as Viserys gofer, so that he can learn something.
    --[X] The rest of the companions will not be part of the actual meeting, but can freely chat with everyone attending as they please.
    --[X] Put Rhealla and Lya in charge of accommodating the guests. Rhealla because she has experience in these things, Lya because she has the planar lore necessary to understand this particular batch.
    -[X] Security
    --[X] In addition to previously mentioned warding, run regular and spontaneous divination's to make sure there are no interruptions for this meeting. None. Incoming Divinations should clearly show that any attempts to interrupt, let alone attack this meeting will result in a fate worse then the torments of the pit for any who dared it. This includes our old friends the Lannisters. If they try to interrupt this, Casterly Rock will be nothing but a glass stain on a pile of rubble that was once a mountain.
    -[X] Next Action:
    --[X] Fetch Xor before returning to Oddo's. He might like to meet another apparently benevolent being who originated in the Far Realm.
    --[X] Buy books as planned. Add a few volumes on Genie culture and architecture, primers on Genie laws and legal practices, and any tomes related to Dungeoneering, Nature, or War.
    ---[X] Buy common and inexpensive books
    ---[X] Buy a book on cryptography.
    --[X] Attempt to purchase Call the Void, Psychic Asylum, Ruin Delver's Fortune, Spell Enhancer, Scribe's Binding, and Wall of Eyes spell scrolls.
    -[X] 2. He strikes a side-deal with the genies and hire himself and his crews to them. They have sky-ships, not sea-ships, but we trust him to none the less have a very productive privateer career against the Efreeti
 
Look closely at Fluid Form, it's not just the same old song because this one let's you still cast spells, you don't lose bonuses, we can still transform into a Dragon etc. Nothing but upsides.
 
Nature forced into a form not natural is no longer nature. It's just as artificial as the Manses you're voting against.

Anyway, I gotta sleep.

Plants grow just about everywhere. Helping them along some isn't the same as building a couple superfluous mansions.
 
See, problem is that even for the ancient genies, that was a stupid long time ago, was it not?

It's extraordinarily presumptuous and just makes us look desperate. Zero subtlety, too.

Overall, Magnificent Mansions and a nice pavilion surrounded by nature sounds ideal. Goldfish goes out of his way to call out to our two allies.

Fire and Water might have been nice a long, long, long time ago. But right now, we are trying to broker a very new, very tentative alliance.

This isn't the end of the war. It's the beginning.

If we fail here, everything is more or less lost.

Our mission is to not only bring them together, but to also have them invested.

This kind of ham-fisted gesture is the opposite of what we want.
 
Y'see, I don't even particularly mind building manses.

My beef is with preemptively and unilaterally including the proposed alliance's enemies, at least in spirit, on the very meeting we want to create said alliance.

A mix of Djinn and Shaitan archtecture somewhere we can show most of the PoB's bounty is ideal. We can always modify it later to signify a new member joining in, be it the second-class genies that are the Marid, or the Efreeti's surrendering.

@Azel @Goldfish What about asking them to build their embassies in their respective planes, at which point we hulk the fuck up and just casually Planeshift the entire thing?
 
Y'see, I don't even particularly mind building manses.

My beef is with preemptively and unilaterally including the proposed alliance's enemies, at least in spirit, on the very meeting we want to create said alliance.

A mix of Djinn and Shaitan archtecture somewhere we can show most of the PoB's bounty is ideal. We can always modify it later to signify a new member joining in, be it the second-class genies that are the Marid, or the Efreeti's surrendering.

@Azel @Goldfish What about asking them to build their embassies in their respective planes, at which point we hulk the fuck up and just casually Planeshift the entire thing?
I don't have an issue with arranging something like that after the first meeting. We can hammer out the details during the conference.
 
Done.

I've got to say, it would be nice if ya'll would have a list of everything you want added instead of coming up with one separate item after another. It's pretty annoying to have to edit a post 15+ times, each time adding a single item.
Sorry, the problem is that the "list" of the spells we want is very, very scattered throughout the thread and we're finding them piecemeal. From now on I'll try to just present a big list instead.

[X] Goldfish
 
Sorry, the problem is that the "list" of the spells we want is very, very scattered throughout the thread and we're finding them piecemeal. From now on I'll try to just present a big list instead.

[X] Goldfish

Sorry if it seemed like I was singling you out, because I wasn't. Your request was just the one that officially pushed me into annoyed territory.

I've always made a habit of freely editing plans based on contributor suggestions, but I think people need to start thinking about what they want changed, going over it in their head, then putting it all down at once, not as a stream of consciousness as ideas pop into their head.
 
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