Won't work. The lead thing.

All material properties produced by a material are only found in naturally formed ones. I imagine DP won't make an exception for lead when the effect it produces is specifically anti-magic in nature.

Though, just to confirm since I know you'll insist, @DragonParadox?
 
I know, I just wanted to emphasize that I definitely want hidden passages, since even that was rejected by some. It's just neat to be able to move through your own palace without being stopped by a gaggle of annoying sycophants in every second hallway.
A Page of Spellknowledge (Dimension Door) would work for that too.
 
Part MMCXXIII: As the Scales Tilt
As the Scales Tilt

Seventeenth Day of the Third Month 293 AC

There are not many you would trust with as much of the truth as you are contemplating sharing here and now, but for all the sharp words you may once have traded when you were new come to power Ferrengo Antarion has ever been a man who weighed the facts before him in careful scales, an unfortunately rare skill in a ruler.

"You touch upon a tale as strange as it would be long in the telling, Serenity. I would not wish it to stray to other ears," you answer, finally winding the dance of words to its end with a thrust to the heart of the matter.

"I have been told by multiple sources the protections on this chamber are quite formidable, Your Grace. However, I would certainly not begrudge you and your companion adding your own thoughts on the matter," the Sealord allows graciously, you suspect keeping back satisfaction at being able to add one more expertise to his arcane protections.

Opening your sight to the currents of sorcery you see the discrete sitting room change as night to day under your gaze: dark wooden panels carved with abstract scrollwork come alive with spells writ in golden fire, meant to warn against attack and mislead far-sight. The curtains rustle with fragile weaving of sorcery, meant as a subtle trap for those who would try to fly past them unseen. The merest touch of any other magic upon them would make them flare blazing white, tearing apart glamour-spun shrouds. No petty workings these, wrought by uncertain hands, but the work of a master's art, a fortune in the making spent.

Turning your eyes to the Sealord and the First Sword at his side, you see a half-dozen coronas of arcane light flash across each of them, just as another mage might do when looking upon you and your friends, but one working stands out, a true spell, not an enchantment, a ward of last resort reaching out from the Lord of Braavos like a barely seen heat ripple on a summer's day twisting the fabric of space around him. You shall have to congratulate Alysande and asks her quite a few questions also...

"Your wards are enviable, Serenity," Lya remarks, drawing you from your thoughts. "However, I would add my own offering to the cause of common secrecy." So saying she begins carefully spinning mist and shadow around the chamber in measured word and gesture, keeping away all wandering eyes save those of gods.

While she works you speak at ease of less secretive matters though of no lesser import, of trade and taxation in the Disputed Lands. It's clear the Sealord has not often thought of the matter deeply, for those unhappy lands are far indeed from the Braavosi hinterlands and their produce is generally funneled with ruthless efficiency by their hegemonic cities, but once you lay down the facts in front of him he leads the discussion to some interesting avenues of development, particularly regarding river trade and the abolishing of petty tariffs in its path.

By the time Lya's work is done you realize the conversation has only strengthened your resolve to be truthful in almost every aspect regarding the conquest of Tyrosh, and even share some the reasons behind some of your other actions in Essos, such as the growing of the Great Tree of Lys.

"The tale of the second dragon begins as many such are wont to do with Valyria, in its dawn-time..." you begin in careful measured tones, with Lya interjecting from time to time to offer another perspective on matters arcane, sacred or profane. From long dead dragons to angels and fiends you speak of with scarce a pause, neither of the men before you interrupting save to question some matter that seemed unclear.

Finally when your words had run their course Ferrengo Antarion offers his thoughts on the matter: "Useful to know that those who endure in death can dwell in peace with the the living, if only for the chance to see their wretched existence ended. The Silver Eye might have some use for the knowledge."

"Amrelath's circumstances are exceptional, Serenity," you emphasize, not wanting to be responsible for any ill-thought alliances.

"Yes, of course, I am not about to ask them to talk to everything that crawls out of a grave, but it is good to know the option to talk exists... so many damn things out there can't be reasoned with at all." He sighs, expression grim, but resolute. "The things that you battled in Tyrosh concern me more than any other peril you revealed today, my friend. If these daemons indeed feast on decay and despair then I fear I might have to do something that had been considered and discounted many times in the last two centuries. Pentos must be brought to heel before their mistreatment of the poor and dispossessed births a canker the world cannot bear. Braavos can no longer wait..."

"Why was it waiting to begin with, Serenity?" Lya asks, failing to keep all the frustration from her voice. "Why let that disgusting farce stand?"

The First Sword bristles slightly, but his liege seems untroubled as he explains, "Keeping the balance of power in peace and war is no easy thing. If we had driven the war to its ultimate bloody conclusion, Braavos would have found itself fighting far more than the Pentoshi, and so we waited for the magisters' own fear and folly to drive them to their doom. Few spears have they to quell unruly bondsmen."

"That's..." Lya hesitates. "I can't say that is right, but I can accept it."

"An important distinction to make for certain," the Sealord replies seemingly in full sincerity before turning to you. "Now the world is changed. The Three Daughters no longer stand as one behind petty bickering, soon perhaps they will not stand at all. Are you willing to stand by Braavos as it enforces its ancient treaties in full, Your Grace?"

What do you reply?

[] Agree in principle

[] Try to hammer out a treaty
-[] Write in

[] Politely refuse
-[] Write in


OOC: Sorry this took so long. I had to go out unexpectedly.
 
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I really doubt Jon out of everyone would want to inherit the mess that Westeros is, or the fixed up version with "slight" scorch marks we will make :V

Also, the shock collars are working I see :V
 
I really don't see where you are getting those time estimates from. With the Mega-Project Tools, there would be no need for construction at all. We could literally grow the palace and underlying fortress into being in the exact shape we desire. If we can build a kilometer of bridge over open ocean in a day, there is no reason at all we can't build the entire palace and fortress complex in just a few days. Sure, there would need to be a ton of finish work, such as adding doors and putting in windows, furniture and artwork, etc, but that's all incidental.

We also don't need to worry about sourcing a huge amount of lead. We can simply use the Transfiguring Touch spell to produce as much lead as we need on site. It will cost the same amount in material components, but that still removes another couple layers of complication.
There's a difference between making a narrow bridge and 2km² of fortress. The tools are capped by volume affected and I want very thick walls (or more like need very thick walls to keep it stable). We would need to grow nothing but wall after wall and floor after floor for two months straight.
 
Won't work. The lead thing.

All material properties produced by a material are only found in naturally formed ones. I imagine DP won't make an exception for lead when the effect it produces is specifically anti-magic in nature.

Though, just to confirm since I know you'll insist, @DragonParadox?

We already confirmed with DP that the products of Transfiguring Touch are mystically the same as natural materials, since you have to pay for them regardless.
 
Wouldn't it be cheaper to buy in Earth?

@Goldfish, the tools are on the front page, under assets. Look again.

30 lbs of miscellaneous petty Valyrian Steel objects (razors, needles, ornaments etc...)
1 Extraordinary Diamonds (sufficient quality to serve as a material competent to Raise Dead)
1 Fine Sea-Green Emerald

Strategic Assets:
1x Lyre of Building
2x Muleback Cords
10x Single-Use Sending Stones
Stone-Bloom Rod (Wall of Stone on command)
Gloves of Earth Mastery (Greater Stone Shape on command)
Alchimist's Lens (Greater Stone Metamorphosis on command)
Giant's Spade (Move Earth on command)

Steel Reserve:
2000 Tons
 
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If I get this right, Braavos wants Pentos?

Why don't we conquer it and give it to them? Imperial Commonwealth is also a thing.
 
Jon, as Rhaegar's son, would be even before Viserys.

Therefor we'll never legitimize him, or make a special exeption to take Rhaegar and all his prodgeny out of the line of succession.
Nah legitimized bastards are always below the trueborns, so Jon as Rhaegars son would be before Dany as he's male, but below Viserys as he's a bastard, and that wouldn't change if Viserys was killed and revived, trueborn children born after a bastard is legitimized, are still above the bastard in the line of succession.

If Rhaegar had been king it might be different, but Rhaegar never got further than crowned prince, which mean that while his trueborn son would be before us, the line of succession never truly passed though him, so we are still the kings second son instead of the kings brother, which mean Jon's claim is below ours.
 
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Nah legitimized bastards are always below the trueborns, so Jon as Rhaegars son would be before Dany as he's male, but below Viserys as he's a bastard, and that wouldn't change if Viserys was killed and revived, trueborn children born after a bastard is legitimized, are still above the bastard in the line of succession.

Jon also has the issue of not being born and thus his gender not being known when Aerys died. The crown can't sit around in limbo waiting for a king to be born. By the laws of succession (barring intervention by a Great Council) Viserys became king when Aerys died. Of course practically that does not matter since the majority of lords 'voted' with their weapons for Robert.
 
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From my perspective, it doesn't actually suit either of our interests for Braavos to annex Pentos. For one thing, it would be an extreme economic drain for either of us to uplift most of the destitute of the city proper. Braavos' only recourse would be to settle most of the poor and downtrodden in the Pentoshi hinterlands and Andalos, which will lower the economic activity in Pentos itself rather than maintain or increase it.

All it would do is remove it as a rival for trade against Braavos for Westerosi trade. It would transform the region into a slightly better managed but not as prosperous outer province.

But from my perspective, we can better develop the entire region with magic, more so than Braavos can, more quickly, and we can also defend it better than they can. Braavos is protected due in part to geography (the swamp and hills obstructing egress from advancing armies and the Lagoon protecting the city) but they could not hold Pentos against a determined attack, so he would basically be relying on us to shield him from Norvos and Volantis to protect his acquisition.

Seeing as how we won't economically benefit from the direction he'll basically have to take Pentos, we won't have much incentive to do so.

Politically though, forcing Pentos to abolish slavery-in-practice is a good idea.


Jon also has the issue of not being born and thus his gender not being known when Aerys died. The crown can't sit around in limbo waiting for a king to be born. By the laws of succession (barring intervention by a Great Council) Viserys became king when Aerys died. Of course practically that does not matter since the majority of lords 'voted' with their weapons for Robert.

Viserys must truly appreciate trying to speak about matters of legalism when he speaks from experience in knowing the position of the Law comes from a source of implicit violence waiting to be unleashed.

It's a shame too, since the illusion that a world that isn't governed by violence can only exist after a long period of time of people believing they can't just change the seating arrangements at the end of a sword or rifle. That's pretty much the goal, though.
 
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Jon also has the issue of not being born and thus his gender not being known when Aerys died. The crown can't sit around in limbo waiting for a king to be born. By the laws of succession (barring intervention by a great council) Viserys became king hen Aerys died. Of course practically that does not matter since the majority of lords 'voted' with their weapons for Robert.
Yeah I was just pointing out that even if we go with an inheritance law that don't permit lords to rule forever though reincarnation, Jon will always be below us in the succession regardless of how many times we are revived, after all even the youngest trueborn son, is above the oldest legitimized bastard in the lines of succession.
 
There's a difference between making a narrow bridge and 2km² of fortress. The tools are capped by volume affected and I want very thick walls (or more like need very thick walls to keep it stable). We would need to grow nothing but wall after wall and floor after floor for two months straight.

Not quite, though my hasty estimates were also incorrect.

Using our Greater Stone Shape item, it would take 25.7167 days of round the clock casting, once every six seconds, to produce a 2 kilometer stone cube drawn from local surroundings (bedrock or a convenient mountain).

Of course, the palace isn't actually going to be a solid 2 kilometer cube. There will be a huge volume of empty space within the structure, at least 75% (and that's being incredibly conservative, allowing for ridiculously thick walls, floors, and ceilings). So that would reduce the time required down to 6.4291 days of round the clock casting to produce the requisite material and shape it into unfinished rooms and passages. Meanwhile, the Violin and Lyre of Building, alongside teams of Pech workers, could be used to polish everything and make it ready for finish work.

Even if we doubled that time to approximately 13 days, due to the need to be careful and follow predetermined plans, that's still quite a bit faster than the two months you propose.
 
Not quite, though my hasty estimates were also incorrect.

Using our Greater Stone Shape item, it would take 25.7167 days of round the clock casting, once every six seconds, to produce a 2 kilometer stone cube drawn from local surroundings (bedrock or a convenient mountain).

Of course, the palace isn't actually going to be a solid 2 kilometer cube. There will be a huge volume of empty space within the structure, at least 75% (and that's being incredibly conservative, allowing for ridiculously thick walls, floors, and ceilings). So that would reduce the time required down to 6.4291 days of round the clock casting to produce the requisite material and shape it into unfinished rooms and passages. Meanwhile, the Violin and Lyre of Building, alongside teams of Pech workers, could be used to polish everything and make it ready for finish work.

Even if we doubled that time to approximately 13 days, due to the need to be careful and follow predetermined plans, that's still quite a bit faster than the two months you propose.
...Just have Naria draw plans, what with her +60-ish bonus to Knowledge (Architecture), mmmkay?
 
From my perspective, it doesn't actually suit either of our interests for Braavos to annex Pentos. For one thing, it would be an extreme economic drain for either of us to uplift most of the destitute of the city proper. Braavos' only recourse would be to settle most of the poor and downtrodden in the Pentoshi hinterlands and Andalos, which will lower the economic activity in Pentos itself rather than maintain or increase it.

All it would do is remove it as a rival for trade against Braavos for Westerosi trade. It would transform the region into a slightly better managed but not as prosperous outer province.

But from my perspective, we can better develop the entire region with magic, more so than Braavos can, more quickly, and we can also defend it better than they can. Braavos is protected due in part to geography (the swamp and hills obstructing egress from advancing armies and the Lagoon protecting the city) but they could not hold Pentos against a determined attack, so he would basically be relying on us to shield him from Norvos and Volantis to protect his acquisition.

Seeing as how we won't economically benefit from the direction he'll basically have to take Pentos, we won't have much incentive to do so.

Politically though, forcing Pentos to abolish slavery-in-practice is a good idea.

Viserys must truly appreciate trying to speak about matters of legalism when he speaks from experience in knowing the position of the Law comes from a source of implicit violence waiting to be unleashed.

It's a shame too, since the illusion that a world that isn't governed by violence can only exist after a long period of time of people believing they can't just change the seating arrangements at the end of a sword or rifle. That's pretty much the goal, though.

At most, I would be willing to invite Braavos to participate in our own conquest of Pentos. They would earn themselves favorable status when using Pentos' port, and maybe share in administering the city for a time in order to gain a small percentage of its trading profits, but otherwise, the city will be added to our Empire.

No kill stealing, Braavos!
 
"It's not that I have anything against Braavos... it's practically like home to me. It's just... I'm pretty sure I would do a better job."

"I--"

"Let's calm down a moment... I conquered Tyrosh inside of a month, then created homes for fifty thousand people the next month, moved half that number into the rest of my lands with jobs waiting for them to get them productive immediately, raising my own incomes in the process, despite dumping mountains of gold on the city already. Could you have done that--"

"I--!"

"--in the expected time frame?"

"No."

"There you go! Now let's talk percentiles."
 
Not quite, though my hasty estimates were also incorrect.

Using our Greater Stone Shape item, it would take 25.7167 days of round the clock casting, once every six seconds, to produce a 2 kilometer stone cube drawn from local surroundings (bedrock or a convenient mountain).

Of course, the palace isn't actually going to be a solid 2 kilometer cube. There will be a huge volume of empty space within the structure, at least 75% (and that's being incredibly conservative, allowing for ridiculously thick walls, floors, and ceilings). So that would reduce the time required down to 6.4291 days of round the clock casting to produce the requisite material and shape it into unfinished rooms and passages. Meanwhile, the Violin and Lyre of Building, alongside teams of Pech workers, could be used to polish everything and make it ready for finish work.

Even if we doubled that time to approximately 13 days, due to the need to be careful and follow predetermined plans, that's still quite a bit faster than the two months you propose.
How high is your cube and how much m³ of material are affected per casting again?

That number looks way to small, though I admittedly did not do the math yet.
 
How high is your cube and how much m³ of material are affected per casting again?

That number looks way to small, though I admittedly did not do the math yet.

The Greater Stone Shape item functions at 9th caster level, which means it can affect ten 10 foot cubes of material with each casting. That's 10,000 cubic feet per casting, 100,000 per minute, 6,000,000 per hour, and 144,000,000 per day.
 
[X] Plan Testing the Waters
-[X] "A laudable goal, maybe even a necessary one, though that raises the question of how far you want to pursue it."
-[X] "Do you just wish to end 'bondsmanship' in Pentos or take the city wholesale?"
-[X] "I have been there a few times in the past months and what I found is worrisome for different reasons. One of the magisters, Illyrio Morpatis, had begun to amass magical lore for unknown purposes and allied himself to the servants of a dark goddess in the process. Furthermore, I slew a mage that had worked for other magisters, creating monstrosities out of the innocent and imprisoning fell beasts to draw upon their powers. A limited war will likely cause the magisters to deploy whatever nightmares they managed to amass by such deeds or drive them to ever further into depravity to take revenge."
-[X] "We reap the terrible harvest of our past in these days. Every pit that had been allowed to fester in peace is turning into a threat far beyond what we could have ever imagined in the years past."
-[X] "Would Braavos have the troops, money and conviction to see the deed done? My aid can only go so far and my Legion still marches on their stomachs and the coins that keep them filled."
-[X] "Please do not take this as an attempt of extortion, but these things need to be considered. The calculus is easier when I know that the treasuries and granaries of the place I take will be mine to command afterwards. To expend strength in this fashion might cost us too much to face the other threats looming ever closer."
-[X] "But perhaps these are the wrong questions to ask, when we clearly need to speak about other things to fully appreciate the impact of the matter. Your words show that you have little illusions of the fate of the remaining two daughters in the months to come, but that raises the questions where my realm and Braavos stand with each other afterwards."
-[X] "What are your goals for the future?"
 
So, generally speaking we prefer to keep Pentos for ourselves? Won't that make our relationship with Braavos antagonistic since we would be getting too much power too quick?

I mean, in the game of nations you can't concede land like that for free, not without gaining enmity in the process at least. Even if we don't directly threaten him he will feel threatened due to our quickly raising hegemony and his inability to act. It's one thing not to be able to keep up, it's another to believe he's powerless.
 
Hell the fuck yes
Braavos and viserys bros for life
 
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