I never said that they didn't.
Paths of Civilization II: Paths of Industrialization
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
So instead of Hung who would you suggest we try and prop up in Asia? Nohon, the state with land we want or Sketch, the state that is trying to kill us?
- Location
- Illinois
China has xenophobia, which is similar but not actually a superiority complex. They hate everyone else, cause everyone else fucked them over for a century.
Which is why we makes sure to be nice now. They can hate everyone except us then.
Both of these will come online when the world economy revives and trade comes back online.
Port is only half online, iirc, though it's not on the front page, so it might not even be active. In which case, once the economy starts flowing again, we get +1-2 SoL.
And, again, you aren't actually putting any hard facts on this. We've payed less PW than we have to Khem or BS. We have not over invested, and if you'd like to go ahead and prove me wrong, bring me the numbers.
And you don't see how an allied Hung aids us in countering the Sketch or Nohon? Despite having a tech advatage, the Hung still have pure numbers. Hung is a massive threat even now, crippled as they are. As time passes, Nohon is going to be under more and more pressure, which aids us as well.
Hung was always meant to be a decades long investment that could very likely lose money and resources for us. But an allied Hung is too valuable to pass up, and even a Hung that falls apart but is more predisposed to be friendly to us is worth what we've invested.
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- a
More like getting smashed in the balls than their faces, but your point do stand .....
- Location
- Illinois
So, lot of people have been screaming that we've dumped too much into Hung. So I decided to go back through every chapter and take a look at all our Hung options.
5 PW since 1810 on the Hung directly.
3 of which was from DOs. The first of which was 2 PW, and got us Weihar. The second got us the Mah war, and the subsequent ports.
The other two were from just last turn.
All those other options? Most of them were also opposing the Nohon. Hell, one was literally just us not having anyone else we really needed to Keep Tabs on when we used it on the Khem.
So no.
No, we have not spent a lot on propping up Hung.
We have used a grand total of, drum roll please...
5 PW since 1810 on the Hung directly.
3 of which was from DOs. The first of which was 2 PW, and got us Weihar. The second got us the Mah war, and the subsequent ports.
The other two were from just last turn.
All those other options? Most of them were also opposing the Nohon. Hell, one was literally just us not having anyone else we really needed to Keep Tabs on when we used it on the Khem.
So no.
No, we have not spent a lot on propping up Hung.
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How the hell did people conclude that we've spent tons of PW and money on the Hung, then? We're posed to get like +3-4 SoL from them from ports and payments, and so many other intangible benefits.
This really just is straight up unfair as far as debates go. Because it's not so much a debate as it is people having repeated a statement long enough, and loudly enough and angrily enough, that other people have grown convinced of that statement, despite all evidence to the contrary.
This is kind of... Urgh.
Dammit, if anything, this just underscores that we're not doing enough for the Hung. We're not doing as much for them as we were willing to do for our allies. And the Hung need the help a hell of a lot more.
Seriously. We should do more.
Given how big and important they are, and how big their problems are, and how big the payoff is, and how much more we were willing to do for our other allies? We should be throwing a hell of a lot more stuff their way!
It'd help if we got more options and actions from the Hung. Like, the Kielmyr often have something they want or some deal they offer once or twice a turn. And as a result we pretty much always take them up on it every time.
Can we get some of that coming from the Hung too? It'd also be easier to help out and fix things for them, if they could just give us more options and choices to deal with...
We can start by investing in the Hung (and Maharathan) ports, for example. That will pay off and be of help anyway. Hell, the Maharath and Hung ports make up the majority of our ports in Asia, don't they? Otherwise we only have one port, in the stretch of land by the BS.
So if we don't invest in those ports, then when our steamships come out? They will only have one port in all of Asia that will be able to serve them. So the trade won't be as efficient and effective.
So yeah. Ports. Let's make it happen. If we can find a way to spare the PW (and IC) this turn. Our fancy steamships won't do us much good if they can only dock in one single port that we own.
This really just is straight up unfair as far as debates go. Because it's not so much a debate as it is people having repeated a statement long enough, and loudly enough and angrily enough, that other people have grown convinced of that statement, despite all evidence to the contrary.
This is kind of... Urgh.
Dammit, if anything, this just underscores that we're not doing enough for the Hung. We're not doing as much for them as we were willing to do for our allies. And the Hung need the help a hell of a lot more.
Seriously. We should do more.
Given how big and important they are, and how big their problems are, and how big the payoff is, and how much more we were willing to do for our other allies? We should be throwing a hell of a lot more stuff their way!
It'd help if we got more options and actions from the Hung. Like, the Kielmyr often have something they want or some deal they offer once or twice a turn. And as a result we pretty much always take them up on it every time.
Can we get some of that coming from the Hung too? It'd also be easier to help out and fix things for them, if they could just give us more options and choices to deal with...
We can start by investing in the Hung (and Maharathan) ports, for example. That will pay off and be of help anyway. Hell, the Maharath and Hung ports make up the majority of our ports in Asia, don't they? Otherwise we only have one port, in the stretch of land by the BS.
So if we don't invest in those ports, then when our steamships come out? They will only have one port in all of Asia that will be able to serve them. So the trade won't be as efficient and effective.
So yeah. Ports. Let's make it happen. If we can find a way to spare the PW (and IC) this turn. Our fancy steamships won't do us much good if they can only dock in one single port that we own.
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Just some set backs and people are ready to call it quits even though, as per Citino, we've only spent what? 5 PW total on the Hung directly?
It took decades to help the Khemetri reforge themselves from a slave owning, plantation based economy and nation to what they are now (and the process is still ongoing). We've basically just started on helping the Hung after they got a reality check. They are in a much worse position than the Khemetri. So of course we are going to see setbacks and shit. We need to help the Hung more.
People going on about sunk cost fallacy and saying that we've already wasted too much on the Hung have no idea what they are talking about.
It took decades to help the Khemetri reforge themselves from a slave owning, plantation based economy and nation to what they are now (and the process is still ongoing). We've basically just started on helping the Hung after they got a reality check. They are in a much worse position than the Khemetri. So of course we are going to see setbacks and shit. We need to help the Hung more.
People going on about sunk cost fallacy and saying that we've already wasted too much on the Hung have no idea what they are talking about.
1846 Spymaster's Office
- Location
- Somewhere over the rainbow
Spymaster's Office
"Is that all, Gyrasym?"
"At the moment, Alyx, but we are not ready for the present winter." the fresh-faced agent reported to the seated elder, carved of stone.
Oh how true that was. The old spymaster had gotten cocky; his only opposition for the past decade was a bunch of republicans who couldn't tell subtlety if it got into a screaming match with them, nothing like how he had orchestrated the downfall of the Ochruhr.
He should've been paying attention to the unofficial motto of foreign affairs, Yshuyn one:
Mythladyn above, where did it all go wrong? He was sure that the Black Sheep had been handled, that he could trust one of the Dual Monarchy's better allies to not explode at the drop of a hat; and yet, the casualty reports of his agents were piling up on his desk. His agents in the Sketch had apparently been drinking too much tea and not paying enough attention to the Sketch upper class believing the Gylmaryn a greater threat than the Hespranxer. And to top it all off, the governors his Hung agents had swore up and down were the best available had managed to disappear thousands of tons of materiel, outdated as it might have been.
Oh. His hands were shaking again. Was the pipe out?
He tapped out his pipe and filled it with the good blend, half shaking out into the floor. His thumb went down on the mix once, twice, three times before he found the opening. Why was he standing up? Did it really matter? It'd be easier to strike his matches standing up, right? Yes, yes, surely that must be it.
He placed his pipe down on the table, another bit of mix falling out the side when it shook out. His matches, his matches, there. Once, twice, three times with the fire so close he could practically see his fingers catch, and the mix lit.
A huff, and his blackened finger and match went out. He lifted the pipe to his mouth, turning towards the veranda. The fresh air might do him some good.
He stood at the railing, pipe in mouth. He just wished he could've left his daughter something -
Someone was approaching his office. By instinct, he turned around.
Haddyth Nokly.
"Alyxunmun three."
"Does that not reflect more upon me than you, old Alyx?"
"Yshuyn one, sire."
Nokly sighed.
"What is it going to take before you understand that misfortune can strike us too, my friend?"
"Results befitting my station, sire," the old man responded.
"And stepping over that balcony will help you earn that?"
"I cannot, but maybe my daughter's son can."
"I contest that, old friend."
"Please, sire, I've already shamed my family enough," the spymaster softly weeped.
"Then," Nokly began, "I am sorry, old friend, but this is an order from your Haddyth of Gylruv and King of Ymar, Supreme Protector of All Ymaryn People: Come with me and serve your duty to the last."
"Sire!" the elder cried, tears streaming through the wrinkles on his face.
"That's an order, Alyx."
"Y-yes, sire."
"And one more thing:" Nokly interrupted, as his hand closed on the doorhandle.
"You forgot your pipe," Nokly said, handing a lit pipe to him.
He grabbed it, shaking. The drag was long and hard, and he had to pull out the pipe and hack up something for a few seconds, but he was functional again. One swipe of his sleeve and he was by and large presentable again, his face once again carved like granite.
"What do you want next, sir?"
"Tell me, how do you feel about taking a more...aggressive approach?"
"Is that all, Gyrasym?"
"At the moment, Alyx, but we are not ready for the present winter." the fresh-faced agent reported to the seated elder, carved of stone.
Oh how true that was. The old spymaster had gotten cocky; his only opposition for the past decade was a bunch of republicans who couldn't tell subtlety if it got into a screaming match with them, nothing like how he had orchestrated the downfall of the Ochruhr.
He should've been paying attention to the unofficial motto of foreign affairs, Yshuyn one:
"Health follows pride - off a high balcony."
Mythladyn above, where did it all go wrong? He was sure that the Black Sheep had been handled, that he could trust one of the Dual Monarchy's better allies to not explode at the drop of a hat; and yet, the casualty reports of his agents were piling up on his desk. His agents in the Sketch had apparently been drinking too much tea and not paying enough attention to the Sketch upper class believing the Gylmaryn a greater threat than the Hespranxer. And to top it all off, the governors his Hung agents had swore up and down were the best available had managed to disappear thousands of tons of materiel, outdated as it might have been.
Oh. His hands were shaking again. Was the pipe out?
He tapped out his pipe and filled it with the good blend, half shaking out into the floor. His thumb went down on the mix once, twice, three times before he found the opening. Why was he standing up? Did it really matter? It'd be easier to strike his matches standing up, right? Yes, yes, surely that must be it.
He placed his pipe down on the table, another bit of mix falling out the side when it shook out. His matches, his matches, there. Once, twice, three times with the fire so close he could practically see his fingers catch, and the mix lit.
A huff, and his blackened finger and match went out. He lifted the pipe to his mouth, turning towards the veranda. The fresh air might do him some good.
He stood at the railing, pipe in mouth. He just wished he could've left his daughter something -
Someone was approaching his office. By instinct, he turned around.
Haddyth Nokly.
"Alyxunmun three."
"Every person is placed where they are by the Divine; it is up to the person and commander to ensure that they perform."
"No-Uchafbwynt, Yshuyn two, sire."
"Fools should make way for the wise and experienced."
Nokly's hand rested on the old man's frame. A warning, that he could stop him from taking that climb and fall.
"Does that not reflect more upon me than you, old Alyx?"
"Yshuyn one, sire."
Nokly sighed.
"What is it going to take before you understand that misfortune can strike us too, my friend?"
"Results befitting my station, sire," the old man responded.
"And stepping over that balcony will help you earn that?"
"I cannot, but maybe my daughter's son can."
"I contest that, old friend."
"Please, sire, I've already shamed my family enough," the spymaster softly weeped.
"Then," Nokly began, "I am sorry, old friend, but this is an order from your Haddyth of Gylruv and King of Ymar, Supreme Protector of All Ymaryn People: Come with me and serve your duty to the last."
"Sire!" the elder cried, tears streaming through the wrinkles on his face.
"That's an order, Alyx."
"Y-yes, sire."
"And one more thing:" Nokly interrupted, as his hand closed on the doorhandle.
"You forgot your pipe," Nokly said, handing a lit pipe to him.
He grabbed it, shaking. The drag was long and hard, and he had to pull out the pipe and hack up something for a few seconds, but he was functional again. One swipe of his sleeve and he was by and large presentable again, his face once again carved like granite.
"What do you want next, sir?"
"Tell me, how do you feel about taking a more...aggressive approach?"
1846 News Report
- Pronouns
- He/Him
News of the World
General News
The economic downturn that shattered Western Syffryn and brought revolution and chaos continues to linger. Despite the restoration of political order recovery is sluggish, even accounting for the damage brought about by war and religiously motivated mismanagement. Despite dire predictions that the Dual Monarchy's extensive borrowing would bring disaster, the long term loans and bonds used to maintain their economy seems to have done little to worsen their situation, although many prominent businessmen and academics have bemoaned this action. There are many who proclaim that the actions of the government are allowing deadwood to remain within the economy instead of being flushed out, dragging economic activity down. Many of countered that not even the Sketch have finished bouncing back, but these claims are countered that the Sketch government too interferes with the natural order of business and economics.
Global Economy Remains Depressed, SoL from International Trade remains reduced or entirely suppressed. This is badly affecting the Hung as they gained considerable wealth from the sale of their luxuries to the international market.
Elsewhere, the marvels of Ancient Khemetri being brought forth from the joint expedition by the Dual Monarchy and the Khemetri Crown are turning heads around the world. The artefacts being pulled from the sands of that land are of amazing quality, beautiful works of an ancient and proud culture. Of particular interest was the painting by the noted artist Torbo vyn Marrin Workers in the Shade of the Great Temple, a stunning work that combined accurate and detailed reproduction of the temple architecture with amazingly lifelike renderings of workers digging out the sand of two thousand years while scholars survey the site. While many other nations have expressed interest in sending in their own academics, the Khemetri have adamantly refused any who do not meet the exacting standards of respect for their ancestors that they demand. Already there have been a few enrollments in the Dual Monarchy's universities by prominent scholars from the Hespranxer, Kielmyr, Behryvar, and Ochro-Etalian Empire, who express interest in this scientific recovery and display of artefacts for use in their own territories.
Other Significant Happenings
Sketch - Much to the shock of observers who anticipated aggressive action against the suddenly weakened Black Sheep, the Sketch instead expressed ambivalence towards the situation. It has however come out that they are entering into a partnership with the Maharatha to build rails and canals in their territory. From their activities, they seem interested in developing a lesser port into a more significant one to bypass one of the Treaty Ports claimed by the Dual Monarchy in prior years, with speculation that while some degree of instability in the region was desired as a distraction, the current problems threaten the overall deal. Furthermore, while some might view the disintegration of the Black Sheep as an advantage for certain Sketch merchants, it has been pointed out that the price of certain high demand luxuries for the Sketch have gone out of control. While the Sketch have made their desire to dominate the Kus subcontinent clear, in an immediate sense the disintegration of the Black Sheep is unlikely to help their depressed economy at home.
Nohon - The Nohon have continued their sale of Hung ports, selling to the Hespranxer in exchange for a considerable shipment of specie and old mining equipment. From their activities, it sounds like they have found significant deposits of coal in their Chesun holdings, enough for fueling their own internal industries.
Hespranxer - While focused on digesting their Halvyni gains, the Hespranxer have shown up the world and their former colony with a dazzling technical advancement that is all the talk of the salons: an effective combination of the camera obscura and certain light sensitive chemicals that allow for the capture of startling life like images. Given their interest in archaeology, these "harotopes" have already been used to share some of their own famous landmarks more widely with the world. Combined with a renewed patronage of the arts to remind the world of the strength of their people even in the face of disaster, and the Hespranxer have certainly made themselves a top spot in less violent discussions. Of course, they have also made their smouldering resentment against the Khemetri clear, such that their admiration for their ancient culture is tinted through a lens of "We'll be taking those goods one day, just you wait and see" at times.
Kielmyr - In association with the Sketch, the Kielmyr have begun construction of a naval facility specifically intended for the outfitting of ships with steam engines and motive drives. With an uninterrupted supply of coal and iron ore from the Dual Monarchy, the Kielmyr have come out of the economic disaster as a key winner. While the average worker eats less spice and drinks less tea, the Kielmyr overall remain prosperous and busy. Their pride is being a bit ruffled by other nations establishing Hung trade ports that allow them to guarantee the flow of certain key luxuries, and they are extending feelers about the acquisition of a port of their own in Hung territory, aware of the problems their biggest trading partner has with the Gatekeepers of the Hung.
Hung - See main update.
Ochro-Etalian Empire - The Ochruhr completed diplomatic moves to solidify their gains in Etal into a full unification of that old and divided nation. While the next Emperor will be entirely Etalian ethnically, the overall dynasty is expected to remain largely Ochruhr in nature for the long term. Given the current political climate, they are expected to begin investing in their navy, so as to have some hope of controlling the seas around their penninsula.
Black Sheep Empire - See main update.
I could probably keep going, but that covers the GPs at least. Voting is also now open for the next 24 hours at minimum.
General News
The economic downturn that shattered Western Syffryn and brought revolution and chaos continues to linger. Despite the restoration of political order recovery is sluggish, even accounting for the damage brought about by war and religiously motivated mismanagement. Despite dire predictions that the Dual Monarchy's extensive borrowing would bring disaster, the long term loans and bonds used to maintain their economy seems to have done little to worsen their situation, although many prominent businessmen and academics have bemoaned this action. There are many who proclaim that the actions of the government are allowing deadwood to remain within the economy instead of being flushed out, dragging economic activity down. Many of countered that not even the Sketch have finished bouncing back, but these claims are countered that the Sketch government too interferes with the natural order of business and economics.
Global Economy Remains Depressed, SoL from International Trade remains reduced or entirely suppressed. This is badly affecting the Hung as they gained considerable wealth from the sale of their luxuries to the international market.
Elsewhere, the marvels of Ancient Khemetri being brought forth from the joint expedition by the Dual Monarchy and the Khemetri Crown are turning heads around the world. The artefacts being pulled from the sands of that land are of amazing quality, beautiful works of an ancient and proud culture. Of particular interest was the painting by the noted artist Torbo vyn Marrin Workers in the Shade of the Great Temple, a stunning work that combined accurate and detailed reproduction of the temple architecture with amazingly lifelike renderings of workers digging out the sand of two thousand years while scholars survey the site. While many other nations have expressed interest in sending in their own academics, the Khemetri have adamantly refused any who do not meet the exacting standards of respect for their ancestors that they demand. Already there have been a few enrollments in the Dual Monarchy's universities by prominent scholars from the Hespranxer, Kielmyr, Behryvar, and Ochro-Etalian Empire, who express interest in this scientific recovery and display of artefacts for use in their own territories.
Other Significant Happenings
Sketch - Much to the shock of observers who anticipated aggressive action against the suddenly weakened Black Sheep, the Sketch instead expressed ambivalence towards the situation. It has however come out that they are entering into a partnership with the Maharatha to build rails and canals in their territory. From their activities, they seem interested in developing a lesser port into a more significant one to bypass one of the Treaty Ports claimed by the Dual Monarchy in prior years, with speculation that while some degree of instability in the region was desired as a distraction, the current problems threaten the overall deal. Furthermore, while some might view the disintegration of the Black Sheep as an advantage for certain Sketch merchants, it has been pointed out that the price of certain high demand luxuries for the Sketch have gone out of control. While the Sketch have made their desire to dominate the Kus subcontinent clear, in an immediate sense the disintegration of the Black Sheep is unlikely to help their depressed economy at home.
Nohon - The Nohon have continued their sale of Hung ports, selling to the Hespranxer in exchange for a considerable shipment of specie and old mining equipment. From their activities, it sounds like they have found significant deposits of coal in their Chesun holdings, enough for fueling their own internal industries.
Hespranxer - While focused on digesting their Halvyni gains, the Hespranxer have shown up the world and their former colony with a dazzling technical advancement that is all the talk of the salons: an effective combination of the camera obscura and certain light sensitive chemicals that allow for the capture of startling life like images. Given their interest in archaeology, these "harotopes" have already been used to share some of their own famous landmarks more widely with the world. Combined with a renewed patronage of the arts to remind the world of the strength of their people even in the face of disaster, and the Hespranxer have certainly made themselves a top spot in less violent discussions. Of course, they have also made their smouldering resentment against the Khemetri clear, such that their admiration for their ancient culture is tinted through a lens of "We'll be taking those goods one day, just you wait and see" at times.
Kielmyr - In association with the Sketch, the Kielmyr have begun construction of a naval facility specifically intended for the outfitting of ships with steam engines and motive drives. With an uninterrupted supply of coal and iron ore from the Dual Monarchy, the Kielmyr have come out of the economic disaster as a key winner. While the average worker eats less spice and drinks less tea, the Kielmyr overall remain prosperous and busy. Their pride is being a bit ruffled by other nations establishing Hung trade ports that allow them to guarantee the flow of certain key luxuries, and they are extending feelers about the acquisition of a port of their own in Hung territory, aware of the problems their biggest trading partner has with the Gatekeepers of the Hung.
Hung - See main update.
Ochro-Etalian Empire - The Ochruhr completed diplomatic moves to solidify their gains in Etal into a full unification of that old and divided nation. While the next Emperor will be entirely Etalian ethnically, the overall dynasty is expected to remain largely Ochruhr in nature for the long term. Given the current political climate, they are expected to begin investing in their navy, so as to have some hope of controlling the seas around their penninsula.
Black Sheep Empire - See main update.
I could probably keep going, but that covers the GPs at least. Voting is also now open for the next 24 hours at minimum.
- Location
- Hell
[X] Just Ploughing Along
-[X] 5 to Royalists
-[X] 4 to Farmers
-[X] 3 to Liberals
This one has a smaller penalty, a loss of only one Political Will.
But it is also a step of removing the malus on at least one Lower House Party.
[X] So a King, Priest, and a Foreman all walk into a bar...
-[X] 6 to Royalists
-[X] 2 to Conservatives
-[X] 4 to Urban Workers
Because I still need to shill myself.
-[X] 5 to Royalists
-[X] 4 to Farmers
-[X] 3 to Liberals
This one has a smaller penalty, a loss of only one Political Will.
But it is also a step of removing the malus on at least one Lower House Party.
[X] So a King, Priest, and a Foreman all walk into a bar...
-[X] 6 to Royalists
-[X] 2 to Conservatives
-[X] 4 to Urban Workers
Because I still need to shill myself.
Warning: DON'T
- Location
- National Capital Region, USA
don't
You know what gets people in trouble? Troll-rating serious posts with mocking 'Funny' and trying to start shit. So don't. This is your freebie. Next time you get Qeshyk mercy.
no
Starting a fight like this does nothing by anger the gods and draw their attention. So don't. If you think someone else is, report them and leave it to us.
take a break
Then I very strongly suggest you get some rest or step back from the thread for a day or somthing, since this:
I'm going to bed now. If this thread is a salt mine and war zone when I get up, there will be Thunderbolts and Lightning.
By which I mean I will have waves of P-47s and P-38s strafe the offenders to pieces.
Thread reopened. Everyone behave.
is asking for points. I looked at the same post you're citing as proof of lying, and see 'we're your friends, but a war would kill us, so we really can't do it', not lying. And throwing around accusations that someone's a liar is usually a fast way to get infracted. In this case, we're going to call it you being tired and irritable after a shitty day, and let it go. Provided you chill and take a break.
I'm going to bed now. If this thread is a salt mine and war zone when I get up, there will be Thunderbolts and Lightning.
By which I mean I will have waves of P-47s and P-38s strafe the offenders to pieces.
Thread reopened. Everyone behave.
HanEmpire
Delicious
[X] [Parl] Parliamentary Budget 1846 (Infrastructure and Security Bill)
-[X] [Parl] Royalists +5PW
-[X] [Parl] Conservatives +4PW
-[X] [Parl] Liberals +3PW
[X][Research1] Organic Chemistry (10/40-50?) AND Inorganic Chemistry (17/40-50?) [Science][Chemistry][Open]
-[X][Research1] Organic First
[X] [Kiel] Yes, please (-1 SoL while Five Crowns active (Kale-Yllthon line under construction or have not natively developed Steel Railroad), founds Rail Company)
[X][Research2] Breechloading Cannon (0/???) [Military][Weaponry][Open]
[X] [BS] Containment (Gives time for attempts at diplomacy and mobilization, increases risk to lowlands, gives time for the rebels to organize)
-[X] [Parl] Royalists +5PW
-[X] [Parl] Conservatives +4PW
-[X] [Parl] Liberals +3PW
[X][Research1] Organic Chemistry (10/40-50?) AND Inorganic Chemistry (17/40-50?) [Science][Chemistry][Open]
-[X][Research1] Organic First
[X] [Kiel] Yes, please (-1 SoL while Five Crowns active (Kale-Yllthon line under construction or have not natively developed Steel Railroad), founds Rail Company)
[X][Research2] Breechloading Cannon (0/???) [Military][Weaponry][Open]
[X] [BS] Containment (Gives time for attempts at diplomacy and mobilization, increases risk to lowlands, gives time for the rebels to organize)
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- Location
- Illinois
[X] [Parl] Parliamentary Budget 1846 (Infrastructure and Security Bill)
-[X] [Parl] Royalists +5PW
-[X] [Parl] Conservatives +4PW
-[X] [Parl] Liberals +3PW
[X] [BS] Containment (Gives time for attempts at diplomacy and mobilization, increases risk to lowlands, gives time for the rebels to organize)
[X][Research1] Organic Chemistry (10/40-50?) AND Inorganic Chemistry (17/40-50?) [Science][Chemistry][Open]
-[X][Research1] Organic First
[X] [Kiel] Take them up on that marriage thing too! (As Yes, Please, and marriage decision is made in favour of the Kielmyr immediately rather than waiting another turn, ???)
[X][Research2] Breechloading Cannon (0/???) [Military][Weaponry][Open]
-[X] [Parl] Royalists +5PW
-[X] [Parl] Conservatives +4PW
-[X] [Parl] Liberals +3PW
[X] [BS] Containment (Gives time for attempts at diplomacy and mobilization, increases risk to lowlands, gives time for the rebels to organize)
[X][Research1] Organic Chemistry (10/40-50?) AND Inorganic Chemistry (17/40-50?) [Science][Chemistry][Open]
-[X][Research1] Organic First
[X] [Kiel] Take them up on that marriage thing too! (As Yes, Please, and marriage decision is made in favour of the Kielmyr immediately rather than waiting another turn, ???)
[X][Research2] Breechloading Cannon (0/???) [Military][Weaponry][Open]
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- Location
- Illinois
Best Ally remains Best Ally, I see.
While on the other hand, Being Hung is Suffering.
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- Location
- Huezil
It get's me angry that the Kielmyr wants to be tomb robbers.
- Location
- Staring into the void
[X][Research1] Organic Chemistry (10/40-50?) AND Inorganic Chemistry (17/40-50?) [Science][Chemistry][Open]
-[X][Research1] Organic First
[X] [Kiel] Yes, please (-1 SoL while Five Crowns active (Kale-Yllthon line under construction or have not natively developed Steel Railroad), founds Rail Company)
[X][Research2] Universal Officer Literacy (23/60-80?) [Military][Initiative][Open]
[X][Research2] Breechloading Cannon (0/???) [Military][Weaponry][Open]
-[X][Research1] Organic First
[X] [Kiel] Yes, please (-1 SoL while Five Crowns active (Kale-Yllthon line under construction or have not natively developed Steel Railroad), founds Rail Company)
[X][Research2] Universal Officer Literacy (23/60-80?) [Military][Initiative][Open]
[X][Research2] Breechloading Cannon (0/???) [Military][Weaponry][Open]
We should offer them tariff free use of Tragon, or at least a good enough deal that they don't buy a port of the Nohon.
[X] So a King, Priest, and a Foreman all walk into a bar...
[X][Research1] Organic Chemistry (10/40-50?) AND Inorganic Chemistry (17/40-50?) [Science][Chemistry][Open]
-[X][Research1] Organic First
[X] [Kiel] Take them up on that marriage thing too! (As Yes, Please, and marriage decision is made in favour of the Kielmyr immediately rather than waiting another turn, ???)
[X][Research2] Breechloading Cannon (0/???) [Military][Weaponry][Open]
[X] [BS] Containment (Gives time for attempts at diplomacy and mobilization, increases risk to lowlands, gives time for the rebels to organize)
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