- Location
- Australia
True but it's that redlining that got us to Happoiness 2. Any more slippage and we might as well light Wyrmyn on fire.
Paths of Civilization II: Paths of Industrialization
True but it's that redlining that got us to Happoiness 2. Any more slippage and we might as well light Wyrmyn on fire.
We definitely need to let temp SoL come back up. We may need to settle Khiberia once per turn for a few turns to please the nobility every round as a happiness bandage.
Sol will more or less stabalize once we stop savaging it for temp IC.
We also need to continue the war. War with Yharmin can have only one result. If we lose here people will start to consider if we can lose elsewhere.
liberty90
Evil Neoliberal Cat
- Location
- Poland
I can see that people again want to happily "redline" happiness, because obviously no random effect can happen, and happiness barely above revolution is awesome & we will be shocked and apalled if revolution ever happens (nobody could have seen such a possibility, surely...).
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- Location
- Australia
that all sounds good but I've been mainly talking about the Veto and the costs associated with it, if we want to try for those goals we probably going to have to bite the bullet and sell more Crown Corps.
Random Member
Gardener of Human Happiness
- Location
- Behind You
A 19th century without revolts is boring anyway.
Yes. We should accept this. We NEED to trim crown corps to the bone. We likely won't have any but the vital ones if we hit a great recession. It will cost us a lot to keep them and we will lose lots anyway. I would rather have a bigger navy NOW and slow the Hung collapse than have even more crown corps to try to keep afloat in a crash.
Save the vital stuff. Support the rest with uncapped loans later through owning the central bank and burning trust with unbacked loans. Build roads, ship people to Khiberia to farm... We have tons of options to keep people fed and busy during the depression.
Worse, if we abandon the Hung then the king will never get laid again. He is loyal to his wife and she to her home country. Our daughter needs a little brother or sister!
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I like the millitary bill. Ease pollution and get an extra navy. I want to see if we can hit 10/10 navies next turn. We can stalemate the Nohon with 5 temp navies, lets see how theybdeal with double that!
The thing is this is how you LOSE the vital ones. If we own them we can sacrifice the noncritical to save the important ones.
If we sell them now we can only choose which critical one to lose
Cutting a crown corp loose during a depression will give us nothing for doing so. There will be nobody to buy it. It will just collapse because we are pulling support. Better to pull support NOW when we can get something for it and enter the depression with close to 8 temp SoL if we can delay long enough.
But one thing is clear. NO MORE SPENDING SOL OR TEMP SOL UNTIL AFTER THE DEPRESSION.
liberty90
Evil Neoliberal Cat
- Location
- Poland
Support of science is kind of awesome now - germ theory & magical laws of universe...
Sounds better than military bill.
Those will both come on their own soon enough.
I know, they are good, but if we want to continue the war with Nohon, and I really do, we need to stop pussy footing around and buy navies. We can't just wait them out. They are managing to replace their losses. We need to actually commit to win.
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Yay, we're no longer in conflict with them anymore!
That means we're not getting -1 Happiness from them anymore, right?
If so, does that mean we should have 6(3) Happiness? I thought that's what the extra sale of Crown Corps made the difference. Or did we eat a permanent and temporary Happiness hit with the update plan, so the no-longer-in-conflict thing only balanced out the change. Or do we only get the +1 (well, lack-of-minus-one) Happiness when the full turn rolls about rather than the mid-turns?
liberty90
Evil Neoliberal Cat
- Location
- Poland
+1 when pleased. They are not in conflict, so it's possible to please them. They are not pleased, so they are happiness neutral now.
No. It means that it's possible to please them for +1.
No. It means that it's possible to please them for +1.
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That sounds like significant gains. I doubt it. That would trigger a new civ modifier.
Um. I assumed they were Displeased this whole time. Thus keeping Happiness one point lower than it should be the entire time.
Overcoming the "Conservatives Displeased" thing meant that we were no longer eating a -1 to Happiness modifier.
Did I get that wrong?
Was it a "They're riled up right now; if you don't Please them every turn, it counts as Displeasing them. Ergo, Please them every turn or eat a -1 to Happiness." thing instead?
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liberty90
Evil Neoliberal Cat
- Location
- Poland
Yeah, this.
We have been consistantly apeasing them. This is why they are no longer pissed. It also removed the displeased debuff each round.
- Location
- Meycauayan, Bulacan, Philippines
If Nokly becomes altBruce Bannon...
Weihar should be up to the task of reining Nokly the Hulk.
Speaking of Weihar, how old is she and Yenyna now @Academia Nut?
What are they doing now?
Weihar should be up to the task of reining Nokly the Hulk.
Speaking of Weihar, how old is she and Yenyna now @Academia Nut?
What are they doing now?
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If we can get 9-10 navies we can supply the Khiberian forces by boat and actually take all the port cities.
That is a win condition. At that point we are no longer at the ass end of our supply chain and can cripple the Nohon navy. Ours will have safe harbours and logistical support.
- Location
- Austria
Transsiberian Railroad aka wait several decades.
Army is already doing about what it possibly could in Eastern Kyberi given distance of wilderness involved.
Maybe if we had naval dominance we could try shipping some expeditionary troops.
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Unknown, maybe?
The expense is including all the prototype work to a degree, but this project is a noticeable portion of the national budget.
Also, moratorium is over, you may begin voting.
War
[X][War] Continue War - Royalists Pleased
Spending Bill
[X][Bill] 2 PW - Naval Armaments Bill (-1 IC, +1 Temp IC, +1 Navy, +2 Temp SoL, +4 Sell Crown Corp Uses, Royalists Pleased)
Kielmyr Railroad Development
[X][Rails] 1 PW - Yes please (Kielmyr Invest, gain +1 Railroads)
FULL STEAM TO NOHON'S DEFEATE!!!!!
[X][War] Continue War - Royalists Pleased
Spending Bill
[X][Bill] 2 PW - Naval Armaments Bill (-1 IC, +1 Temp IC, +1 Navy, +2 Temp SoL, +4 Sell Crown Corp Uses, Royalists Pleased)
Kielmyr Railroad Development
[X][Rails] 1 PW - Yes please (Kielmyr Invest, gain +1 Railroads)
FULL STEAM TO NOHON'S DEFEATE!!!!!