Sure there will be sellswords in Essos, mostly on vacation of course, but I expect that a fair amount of PC sellswords, will hire out to various extraplanar empires, and Essos will be a nice place to spend their pay.

Those will either be adventurers or organized members of the Mercenaries Guild. Do you really think we would allow a bunch of minor independent armies to roam around our continent at will? If they exist at all, they will be heavily regulated.
 
Look, we need a few examples to satisfy the slaves need for vengance, we are going to target the worst offenders, or the powerblocks containing the worst slavers. So... Yeah.

And I have a vote policy: minimum cruelty deaths. Torture is literally spsbding time to hurt someone. Unless you have info to get, it's an extra messed up thing (like 2-5 times more) for someone who values their time like Viseryd does to do so; that means that in that moment, hurting someone who was taught that this shit is ok is more important than any of the eighty things vying for attention.
Torture is inefficient as hell and terrible for PR. No thank you. Consider me right behind you in being against it.
 
That's my thought as well. An item with a 1st level Alarm spell wouldn't be very costly at all for a relatively well off sellsword commander, it would likely be seen as a practical security measure. Considering that at least one of his subordinates is plotting to assassinate him, it speaks well toward her perceptiveness and common sense.

But not his contextual understanding, or anyone both able and inclined to advise him on matters of magic.

If that woman is a mage, she is not his friend.

[X] Goldfish

One thing we're going to have to do is keep an eye out for interfearance from Not!Dionosus.

I don't expect such interfearance to be sutble :)
 
One thing we're going to have to do is keep an eye out for interfearance from Not!Dionosus.

I don't expect such interfearance to be sutble :)
I plan to grow Tyrosh's new Weirwood Tree right on top of his sacred fountain, further powered by sacrificing whatever pops up to try to stop us. Since he's a God of Madness, I'm gunning for an overpowered Heart's Ease on the tree.
 
Look, we need a few examples to satisfy the slaves need for vengance, we are going to target the worst offenders, or the powerblocks containing the worst slavers. So... Yeah.

And I have a vote policy: minimum cruelty deaths. Torture is literally spsbding time to hurt someone. Unless you have info to get, it's an extra messed up thing (like 2-5 times more) for someone who values their time like Viseryd does to do so; that means that in that moment, hurting someone who was taught that this shit is ok is more important than any of the eighty things vying for attention.
I already said I agreed to no torture, though I wouldn't have had Viserys involved in it to start with, I would simply have had him hand down a decree, that slavers where to be questioned about if they had executed slaves how and why, under a zone of truth spell, and if the reason wasn't good enough, they would face the same execution they gave the slave, I have given up on the part with giving them the same execution, but I still want them all interrogated in that manner, and to have all who had slaves killed with insufficient reason executed, now that I have calmed down, I just no longer require them to get the same death as the one they had killed, now I'm okay with just letting them all hang.

What I'm now fighting for, is that we don't keep it to setting examples, we execute all the offenders of being unnecessarily cruel to their slaves, not just a part of them to set an example.

People like Hermetia or even Malarys can get to live, people like Hermetia because they are genuinely good people raised in a bad culture, and people like Malarys, because while they weren't merciful, they weren't cruel either just uncaring, so most of the ones like Malarys get to live.

But people who enjoyed punishing slaves, or got angry easily and took it out on their slaves, those people I want dead.
Those will either be adventurers or organized members of the Mercenaries Guild. Do you really think we would allow a bunch of minor independent armies to roam around our continent at will? If they exist at all, they will be heavily regulated.
It was meant as a joke, technically there will still be sellswords, but the Golden Company and other such sellsword companies, are near assured to disappear.
 
@tarrangar, please don take this as me trying to offend you, but I have to say, that you're getting too passionate about your murder-boner against slavers.

Just like that topic with dragons; some people are radically against that. Some are kind of okay with it.
And most don't care.

But you keep bringing it up, people who are against that keep arguing and this whole topic jeeps grinding on everyone's nerves.

Frankly, you're undermining your own position here.
We don't even have any slavers to kill right now.
 
Oy. We have a plan for the slavers. Part of our intel prep was finding the very worst ones, the ones even other Tyroshi gave side-eye to for being too torturous, or the ones who were the very best at the slave trade. Those will be the examples to satisfy the newly freed slaves, when they see the most hated and feared magisters executed for their excesses, their property seized, and their family cast down from nobility to mere freemen.

The second round will be those magisters who think they can be like Pentos, as long as they keep their slaving reasonable and discreet, things can return closer to "normal," right? And then they're hanged, their property seized, and their family cast down.

And then at some point there is going to be a third round, where we have to hang freed slaves who are revenge killing former masters and their families. This is inevitable, and unavoidable, but if we keep an eye out for it and stomp on it at the first opportunity to prevent a rash of such killing occurring. Because freemen killing other freemen is murder, and we are not bringing vengeance, we are bringing law and justice.

Vengeance is merely self-satisfaction. It helps no one. It doesn't help those wronged, as you stoke the fire in their hearts. It doesn't help the innocents who will be killed in the aftermath for the crime of being born to a magister's family. It doesn't help keep the bloodshed to a minimum when we move on the next daughter, because they will rightly think we will engage in a pogrom against the freemen of the city, and they will make any pact or deal they can in attempt to keep their lives.

@tarrangar you are literally proposing to sacrifice people's lives (in Tyrosh and beyond) for the purpose of feeling good about it. It brings no benefit, and no real peace, and requires weeks or even months of Viserys's attention. Time he could be using to actually help people elsewhere in the world by stopping evil today, instead of obsessing over wrongs of the past.
 
@tarrangar you are literally proposing to sacrifice people's lives (in Tyrosh and beyond) for the purpose of feeling good about it. It brings no benefit, and no real peace, and requires weeks or even months of Viserys's attention. Time he could be using to actually help people elsewhere in the world by stopping evil today, instead of obsessing over wrongs of the past.
It brings justice, it means that people who have executed innocents don't get to continue being alive and rich, that's benefit enough for me.

I don't want to execute their families, I don't want to kill every slaver, I just want to execute every slaver who have had their slaves murdered, because I consider executing a slave, for something you wouldn't execute a freeman for murder.
 
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Oy. We have a plan for the slavers. Part of our intel prep was finding the very worst ones, the ones even other Tyroshi gave side-eye to for being too torturous, or the ones who were the very best at the slave trade. Those will be the examples to satisfy the newly freed slaves, when they see the most hated and feared magisters executed for their excesses, their property seized, and their family cast down from nobility to mere freemen.
I'd like to point out another reason for the intel was to figure out which of the magisters are sacrifice fodder to be tossed in with the rest of the cultists. They should have some very nice fiendish loot stashed away.
 
Dominate is more efficient.
Tell them to tell you everything.

I would like to add that ZoT has a willsave, and you can't check if it worked (maybe arcane vision/Visery's level 7 divination spell), while a "don't lie" curse's success/failure state is known to the caster, ZoT only works better if you are doing mass interrogations, but really, if you need to go through mors than 3-4 people a day, (reasonable number of curse castings, imo), something is very wrong.

Curses gets around dominate resistance/immunity, but otherwise Dominate is just... Lovely
 
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I'd like to point out another reason for the intel was to figure out which of the magisters are sacrifice fodder to be tossed in with the rest of the cultists. They should have some very nice fiendish loot stashed away.
Eh, some 3-HD Experts are not worth the effort to distinguish between the bad and very bad.
Leave the trees for the proven cultists and give the others, including the worst magisters the gallows.
 
Eh, some 3-HD Experts are not worth the effort to distinguish between the bad and very bad.
Leave the trees for the proven cultists and give the others, including the worst magisters the gallows.
I'm counting on the cultist magisters to be possessed. That aside, I'm less interested in them particularly as sacrifices and more interested in taking everything they have. I want one or two manses relocated to Sorcerer's Deep to serve as the new public school.

Hundreds of thousands of IM are coming our way.
 
Eh, some 3-HD Experts are not worth the effort to distinguish between the bad and very bad.
Leave the trees for the proven cultists and give the others, including the worst magisters the gallows.

I have to agree, unless they got into fiend shit, they aren't worth sacrafice due to party concerns.

Edit: @Duesal - you seem to be talking about magister-cultists, those are just cultists with extra cash imo, and are totally unprocessed fertilizer :D

The two groups are distinct, magisters, where we hang the ones that were terrible and also have the largest powerblock under their control to divide between the remaining factions, and cultists, which are food for the OG, (and magister cultists are primarly cultist before anything else (to me), so I see them as wealthy food.)

We can throw in a quick redemption effort for them, hope we roll low and see what boons from OG we can get.

Offload anyone who says "yes" to the archons.

I haven't slept in 26 hours, everything has gotten odd.

@DragonParadox has the OG party that kicked off with Lys!Tree worn down/how's their hangover treating them? :D

To clarafy, are they back to normal, or doing the "Sleepy Yss Maneuver*" still?

*that is to say, still closed for buisness
 
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And then at some point there is going to be a third round, where we have to hang freed slaves who are revenge killing former masters and their families. This is inevitable, and unavoidable, but if we keep an eye out for it and stomp on it at the first opportunity to prevent a rash of such killing occurring. Because freemen killing other freemen is murder, and we are not bringing vengeance, we are bringing law and justice.
I want to retroactively consider all slaves freemen, which mean having had them killed for something that you wouldn't kill a freeman for is murder, the slavery itself will be forgiven, but any punishments they have levied on their slaves, that they wouldn't have levied on a free servant, that I want them punished for.

If former slaves are killing slavers who never had innocents executed, or if they are killing the relatives of slavers then they must be punished, but a murderer is a murderer, regardless of if it was legal because the target was a slave, so if a former slave kill a pardoned slaver, because the slaver had his little sister executed some years back, then I will argue fiercely for pardoning the former slave.
 
It brings justice, it means that people who have executed innocents don't get to continue being alive and rich, that's benefit enough for me.

I don't want to execute their families, I don't want to kill every slaver, I just want to execute every slaver who have had their slaves murdered, because I consider executing a slave, for something you wouldn't execute a freeman for murder.

Except that's not how it will go down. Do not delude yourself. You're uniting the former freemen classes against the new order, because they will perceive those we punish as innocent of wrong doing, and hold them up as martyrs. Instead of hammering in the message of "the old order is done and gone. Now this is how things will go from now on, you are all freemen equal before the King, so worry about what you are doing today and turn your eyes to the future" you will just widen the divides of the past and push the city towards violence and counter-violence. Who has wronged me in the past? "That freed slave got my father killed, when he was known as one of the masters with the lightest touch!"

There is a reason almost every just, modern law system considers ex-post facto laws unjust.
 
I want to retroactively consider all slaves freemen, which mean having had them killed for something that you wouldn't kill a freeman for is murder, the slavery itself will be forgiven, but any punishments they have levied on their slaves, that they wouldn't have levied on a free servant, that I want them punished for.

If former slaves are killing slavers who never had innocents executed, or if they are killing the relatives of slavers then they must be punished, but a murderer is a murderer, regardless of if it was legal because the target was a slave, so if a former slave kill a pardoned slaver, because the slaver had his little sister executed some years back, then I will argue fiercely for pardoning the former slave.
While I get why you want to do it, I'd rather we stick with KISS on the matter of punishments. If things get too complicated chaos will ensue.
 
There are actually a lot of creatures with Suggestion as SLA.
Many Fey, some Dragons, Spectators of course, some Outsiders, etc.

Get either those or a Warlock with Charm if you are too cheap for a wand.
Infinite Suggestions means sooner or later one sticks.:)
 
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