Umi-san
Procrastinating.
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@Academia Nut Will we be getting any PW to spend exclusively on the constitutional convention or are our choices going to be mixed in with our action expenditures?
Paths of Civilization II: Paths of Industrialization
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- He/Him
You never made it to Tortun territory, while they were only lightly squeezed into their own territory through a magnificent but ultimately doomed series of defenses. Everyone has paid considerable blood, enough that a good peace now will appease everyone but the Ochruhr. Some are kind of annoyed that you took so long dealing with the Wyrmyn, but acknowledge that keeping them out of the fight was a key component in making sure the Tortun could not throw the Coalition back.
If you choose a convention this turn then you will have 4 PW to spend, plus anything else from choices you might generate during the constitution (with the Levee en Mass tech you can now address conscription in your constitution, and there are some issues where people might want to futz about a bit with current laws).
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[X] [Peace] 2 PW - Negotiate with the rest of the Coalition for the Dissolution of Tortun (Gain Wyrmyn lands, remove Humiliating Loss, Tortun Republic broken up into six Constitutional Grand Duchies, various powers gain small amounts of Tortun land, Ochruhr utterly humiliated by all powers)
[X] [Guilds] 1 PW - Allow the dissolution but do not address the larger issue of the guilds (-1 Temp Happiness, +1 Temp Consciousness, remove Recent Constitutional Changes status)
[X] [Research] Modern Nationalism (0/???) [Social]
[X] [Guilds] 1 PW - Allow the dissolution but do not address the larger issue of the guilds (-1 Temp Happiness, +1 Temp Consciousness, remove Recent Constitutional Changes status)
[X] [Research] Modern Nationalism (0/???) [Social]
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[X] [Peace] 2 PW - Negotiate with the rest of the Coalition for the Dissolution of Tortun (Gain Wyrmyn lands, remove Humiliating Loss, Tortun Republic broken up into six Constitutional Grand Duchies, various powers gain small amounts of Tortun land, Ochruhr utterly humiliated by all powers)
[X] [Guilds] 1 PW - Allow the dissolution but do not address the larger issue of the guilds (-1 Temp Happiness, +1 Temp Consciousness, remove Recent Constitutional Changes status)
[X] [Research] Modern Nationalism (0/???) [Social]
This is actually a pretty great deal for us. It achieves most of what we want geopolitically. A generation is about how long I was hoping to knock Tortun out for.
More importantly, with the Tortuns bandying their ethnic nationalism about, we need to be quick to introduce the idea of civic nationalism to the world. It doesn't matter where you're from, what language you speak, what color you are, or what gods you worship. As long as you're willing to be a productive part of society, you can be Ymaryn.
[X] [Guilds] 1 PW - Allow the dissolution but do not address the larger issue of the guilds (-1 Temp Happiness, +1 Temp Consciousness, remove Recent Constitutional Changes status)
[X] [Research] Modern Nationalism (0/???) [Social]
This is actually a pretty great deal for us. It achieves most of what we want geopolitically. A generation is about how long I was hoping to knock Tortun out for.
More importantly, with the Tortuns bandying their ethnic nationalism about, we need to be quick to introduce the idea of civic nationalism to the world. It doesn't matter where you're from, what language you speak, what color you are, or what gods you worship. As long as you're willing to be a productive part of society, you can be Ymaryn.
[X] [Peace] 2 PW - Negotiate with the rest of the Coalition for the Dissolution of Tortun (Gain Wyrmyn lands, remove Humiliating Loss, Tortun Republic broken up into six Constitutional Grand Duchies, various powers gain small amounts of Tortun land, Ochruhr utterly humiliated by all powers)
[X] [Guilds] 1 PW - Allow the dissolution but do not address the larger issue of the guilds (-1 Temp Happiness, +1 Temp Consciousness, remove Recent Constitutional Changes status)
[X] [Research] Modern Nationalism (0/???) [Social]
Guys. Beeline Nationalism. We don't want to be Number Two there. It lets us draw deeper on manpower reserves and it helps with the Guilds by giving Guildsmen higher loyalties to the State than their Guild
[X] [Guilds] 1 PW - Allow the dissolution but do not address the larger issue of the guilds (-1 Temp Happiness, +1 Temp Consciousness, remove Recent Constitutional Changes status)
[X] [Research] Modern Nationalism (0/???) [Social]
Guys. Beeline Nationalism. We don't want to be Number Two there. It lets us draw deeper on manpower reserves and it helps with the Guilds by giving Guildsmen higher loyalties to the State than their Guild
[X] [Peace] 2 PW - Negotiate with the rest of the Coalition for the Dissolution of Tortun (Gain Wyrmyn lands, remove Humiliating Loss, Tortun Republic broken up into six Constitutional Grand Duchies, various powers gain small amounts of Tortun land, Ochruhr utterly humiliated by all powers)
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- United States
[X] [Peace] 2 PW - Negotiate with the rest of the Coalition for the Dissolution of Tortun (Gain Wyrmyn lands, remove Humiliating Loss, Tortun Republic broken up into six Constitutional Grand Duchies, various powers gain small amounts of Tortun land, Ochruhr utterly humiliated by all powers)
[X] [Guilds] 1 PW - Allow the dissolution but do not address the larger issue of the guilds (-1 Temp Happiness, +1 Temp Consciousness, remove Recent Constitutional Changes status)
[x] [Research] Early Modern Logic (0/20-25?) [Science]
Nationalism is nice but I think Academic Freedom is more important and will help us develop faster. It's necessary seeing as how we're always struggling to catch up.
[X] [Guilds] 1 PW - Allow the dissolution but do not address the larger issue of the guilds (-1 Temp Happiness, +1 Temp Consciousness, remove Recent Constitutional Changes status)
[x] [Research] Early Modern Logic (0/20-25?) [Science]
Nationalism is nice but I think Academic Freedom is more important and will help us develop faster. It's necessary seeing as how we're always struggling to catch up.
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Not so much. Academic Freedom is destabilizing for us at this juncture since it'd speed up all the social pressures from new ideas. We hadn't finished swallowing Representation yet, and the Guilds are already raising hell.
Nationalism to raise stability and loyalty before Academic Freedom to spend it.
Nationalism to raise stability and loyalty before Academic Freedom to spend it.
Emral282
The Fluffy Tail of Now and Forever
- Location
- Moon Cell
[X] [Peace] 2 PW - Negotiate with the rest of the Coalition for the Dissolution of Tortun (Gain Wyrmyn lands, remove Humiliating Loss, Tortun Republic broken up into six Constitutional Grand Duchies, various powers gain small amounts of Tortun land, Ochruhr utterly humiliated by all powers)
[X] [Guilds] 1 PW - Allow the dissolution but do not address the larger issue of the guilds (-1 Temp Happiness, +1 Temp Consciousness, remove Recent Constitutional Changes status)
[X] [Research] Modern Nationalism (0/???) [Social]
I'm going for Nationalism because getting some early Nationalism will help us curb Wyrmyn nationalism to a degree by helping them feel as if they are part of The People.
[X] [Guilds] 1 PW - Allow the dissolution but do not address the larger issue of the guilds (-1 Temp Happiness, +1 Temp Consciousness, remove Recent Constitutional Changes status)
[X] [Research] Modern Nationalism (0/???) [Social]
I'm going for Nationalism because getting some early Nationalism will help us curb Wyrmyn nationalism to a degree by helping them feel as if they are part of The People.
[X] [Peace] 0 PW - Take the Wyrmyn territories you have conquered and let everyone else figure things out (-2 Temp Trust, gain Wyrmyn lands, may not count as avenging Humiliating Loss)
[X] [Guilds] 1 PW - Allow the dissolution but do not address the larger issue of the guilds (-1 Temp Happiness, +1 Temp Consciousness, remove Recent Constitutional Changes status)
[X] [Research] Modern Nationalism (0/???) [Social]
Hopefully we will be able to turn our Wyrmyn territory into a buffer.
[X] [Guilds] 1 PW - Allow the dissolution but do not address the larger issue of the guilds (-1 Temp Happiness, +1 Temp Consciousness, remove Recent Constitutional Changes status)
[X] [Research] Modern Nationalism (0/???) [Social]
Hopefully we will be able to turn our Wyrmyn territory into a buffer.
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[X] [Peace] 2 PW - Negotiate with the rest of the Coalition for the Dissolution of Tortun (Gain Wyrmyn lands, remove Humiliating Loss, Tortun Republic broken up into six Constitutional Grand Duchies, various powers gain small amounts of Tortun land, Ochruhr utterly humiliated by all powers)
[X] [Guilds] 1 PW - Allow the dissolution but do not address the larger issue of the guilds (-1 Temp Happiness, +1 Temp Consciousness, remove Recent Constitutional Changes status)
[X] [Research] Modern Nationalism (0/???) [Social]
[X] [Guilds] 1 PW - Allow the dissolution but do not address the larger issue of the guilds (-1 Temp Happiness, +1 Temp Consciousness, remove Recent Constitutional Changes status)
[X] [Research] Modern Nationalism (0/???) [Social]
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- Hell
Question, which direction do we want to take our third Academy in? Of the four options we have seen (Social, Military, Industrial, Science) we have two of Social and Military. While having one of each is nice, specializing in Social or Military would not necessarily be a bad thing.
zamin
The Watcher in the Dark
[x] [Peace] 0 PW - Take the Wyrmyn territories you have conquered and let everyone else figure things out (-2 Temp Trust, gain Wyrmyn lands, may not count as avenging Humiliating Loss)
[x] [Guilds] 4 PW Invested - Begin a new constitutional convention to address these issues (1819 is a constitutional turn)
[X] [Research] Modern Nationalism (0/???) [Social]
[x] [Guilds] 4 PW Invested - Begin a new constitutional convention to address these issues (1819 is a constitutional turn)
[X] [Research] Modern Nationalism (0/???) [Social]
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NuclearConsensus
Herald of the Thorned One
- Location
- the Philippines
[X] [Peace] 2 PW - Negotiate with the rest of the Coalition for the Dissolution of Tortun (Gain Wyrmyn lands, remove Humiliating Loss, Tortun Republic broken up into six Constitutional Grand Duchies, various powers gain small amounts of Tortun land, Ochruhr utterly humiliated by all powers)
[X] [Guilds] 1 PW - Allow the dissolution but do not address the larger issue of the guilds (-1 Temp Happiness, +1 Temp Consciousness, remove Recent Constitutional Changes status)
[X] [Research] Modern Nationalism (0/???) [Social]
[X] [Guilds] 1 PW - Allow the dissolution but do not address the larger issue of the guilds (-1 Temp Happiness, +1 Temp Consciousness, remove Recent Constitutional Changes status)
[X] [Research] Modern Nationalism (0/???) [Social]
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- Voidbetweenstars
[x] [Peace] 0 PW - Take the Wyrmyn territories you have conquered and let everyone else figure things out (-2 Temp Trust, gain Wyrmyn lands, may not count as avenging Humiliating Loss)
[x] [Guilds] 4 PW Invested - Begin a new constitutional convention to address these issues (1819 is a constitutional turn)
[x] [Research] Early Modern Logic (0/20-25?) [Science]
You Social people, SCIENCE
[x] [Guilds] 4 PW Invested - Begin a new constitutional convention to address these issues (1819 is a constitutional turn)
[x] [Research] Early Modern Logic (0/20-25?) [Science]
You Social people, SCIENCE
HanEmpire
Delicious
@Academia Nut:
1) how many PW will we likely need to fix the current Constitution?
2) if we decide to take Wyrmyn and leave the war on our own, how likely is it that our Coalition partners will continue the war on their own?
1) how many PW will we likely need to fix the current Constitution?
2) if we decide to take Wyrmyn and leave the war on our own, how likely is it that our Coalition partners will continue the war on their own?
We need industrial to get our trains. Toot! toot!
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With 4 you can probably break the guilds, but it really isn't enough. Then again taking a few more years to let things continue to fester could have negative consequences as well.
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- Classified
[X] [Peace] 2 PW - Negotiate with the rest of the Coalition for the Dissolution of Tortun (Gain Wyrmyn lands, remove Humiliating Loss, Tortun Republic broken up into six Constitutional Grand Duchies, various powers gain small amounts of Tortun land, Ochruhr utterly humiliated by all powers)
[X] [Guilds] 1 PW - Allow the dissolution but do not address the larger issue of the guilds (-1 Temp Happiness, +1 Temp Consciousness, remove Recent Constitutional Changes status)
[X] [Research] Modern Nationalism (0/???) [Social]
[X] [Guilds] 1 PW - Allow the dissolution but do not address the larger issue of the guilds (-1 Temp Happiness, +1 Temp Consciousness, remove Recent Constitutional Changes status)
[X] [Research] Modern Nationalism (0/???) [Social]
HanEmpire
Delicious
Shame. Ah well.
[X] [Peace] 2 PW - Negotiate with the rest of the Coalition for the Dissolution of Tortun (Gain Wyrmyn lands, remove Humiliating Loss, Tortun Republic broken up into six Constitutional Grand Duchies, various powers gain small amounts of Tortun land, Ochruhr utterly humiliated by all powers)
[X] [Guilds] 1 PW - Allow the dissolution but do not address the larger issue of the guilds (-1 Temp Happiness, +1 Temp Consciousness, remove Recent Constitutional Changes status)
[X] [Research] Modern Nationalism (0/???) [Social]
- Location
- Canada
[X] [Peace] 2 PW - Negotiate with the rest of the Coalition for the Dissolution of Tortun (Gain Wyrmyn lands, remove Humiliating Loss, Tortun Republic broken up into six Constitutional Grand Duchies, various powers gain small amounts of Tortun land, Ochruhr utterly humiliated by all powers)
[X] [Guilds] 1 PW - Allow thedissolution but do not address the larger issue of the guilds (-1 Temp Happiness, +1 TempConsciousness, remove Recent Constitutional Changes status)
[X] [Research] Modern Nationalism (0/???) [Social]
[X] [Guilds] 1 PW - Allow thedissolution but do not address the larger issue of the guilds (-1 Temp Happiness, +1 TempConsciousness, remove Recent Constitutional Changes status)
[X] [Research] Modern Nationalism (0/???) [Social]
Guild focus is already losing hard, so may as well switch in the off chance it leads to Consensus Bonus.
[X] [Peace] 2 PW - Negotiate with the rest of the Coalition for the Dissolution of Tortun (Gain Wyrmyn lands, remove Humiliating Loss, Tortun Republic broken up into six Constitutional Grand Duchies, various powers gain small amounts of Tortun land, Ochruhr utterly humiliated by all powers)
[X] [Guilds] 1 PW - Allow the dissolution but do not address the larger issue of the guilds (-1 Temp Happiness, +1 Temp Consciousness, remove Recent Constitutional Changes status)
[X] [Research] Modern Nationalism (0/???) [Social]
[X] [Peace] 2 PW - Negotiate with the rest of the Coalition for the Dissolution of Tortun (Gain Wyrmyn lands, remove Humiliating Loss, Tortun Republic broken up into six Constitutional Grand Duchies, various powers gain small amounts of Tortun land, Ochruhr utterly humiliated by all powers)
[X] [Guilds] 1 PW - Allow the dissolution but do not address the larger issue of the guilds (-1 Temp Happiness, +1 Temp Consciousness, remove Recent Constitutional Changes status)
[X] [Research] Modern Nationalism (0/???) [Social]
keenscythe
No longer NEET
- Location
- WA, USA
[X] [Peace] 2 PW - Negotiate with the rest of the Coalition for the Dissolution of Tortun (Gain Wyrmyn lands, remove Humiliating Loss, Tortun Republic broken up into six Constitutional Grand Duchies, various powers gain small amounts of Tortun land, Ochruhr utterly humiliated by all powers)
[X] [Guilds] 1 PW - Allow the dissolution but do not address the larger issue of the guilds (-1 Temp Happiness, +1 Temp Consciousness, remove Recent Constitutional Changes status)
[X] [Research] Modern Nationalism (0/???) [Social]
Really want to break the guilds but rebuilding the OYE is more important.
[X] [Guilds] 1 PW - Allow the dissolution but do not address the larger issue of the guilds (-1 Temp Happiness, +1 Temp Consciousness, remove Recent Constitutional Changes status)
[X] [Research] Modern Nationalism (0/???) [Social]
Really want to break the guilds but rebuilding the OYE is more important.