I cannot fathom how bumbling into having to perform the psychological equivalent of Greater Restoration, for no apparent gain, would count as a solution.

Rhaella has limits. This is a woman who wedded her own brother because that was how the world was supposed to work. Who suffered repeated violation of her body, pride and self at the hands of someone who could be fairly called a monster but who was also someone she must have loved at a point. Who had no place where she could be safe, and who endured everything, protected her children, played the part of the Queen because that was what remained.

Even if she were to be "healed" from the immediate effects of psychological trauma, this is not something that would go away. It is asking her (no, telling her) that her sacrifice, her one reason for staying sane, was a farce worth less than nothing.

I really do see Snowfire's point of view here.

I can't even express how much this is correct. Psychological trauma isn't something that magic can easily solve in the way it can solve physical wounds. They're vastly different things, and the former never comes up in standard D&D because most people don't have anything close to the understanding of the subject to do it justice - and to be honest, I'm not exactly a master of the art. That said, very few really are.

OK, I feel really weird and not a little uncomfortable asking this, because it was a majority decision, but (considering the many concerns) would you guys like me to ret-con Mercy out of the teleport group?

Leave it as is. @MTB is right on this subject. Just...yeah. Give me a bit - I assume this is the last vote of the day?

She does not have the option to go catatonic.
Insanity is not a given escape here, that's what Heart's Ease, or if needed Heal and Restoration are for.

She'll adapt. Best case by herself, but if not she still doesn't really have other options.

Do you know what happens when you put a broken human in a room with no options? Something called suicide.
 
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Do you know what happens when you put a broken human in a room with no options? Something called suicide.
There's a glimmer there ... something along the lines of Viserys holding his mother, looking her straight in the eyes and saying: "Mother, trust me, it is not the end of the world you are seeing here. I've thought about that, and I've got plans for this situation. ..."
Something like that if Rhaella breaks.
...
Might help?
 
Subject to a PM just received, I've changed my mind and I'd like to go for a retcon. This isn't worth the salt and arguments. Lya on her own I can handle. But not her and Mercy.
But without Mercy we are down to "I'm in love with a commoner".
With Mercy we are at "I'm in love with a being whose abilities are literally incomprehensible to you".

Besides, she'll meet Mercy very soon anyway.
Now or in two days won't change the world.
 
OK, initiating Salt-B-Gone Retcon... Stand by...
That worth it?

She'll meet Mercy in less than a week anyway, no big difference.
And one of those on their own, I can handle. Probably (no promises). Both of them together would shatter her.
I would think the latter is a big enough deal to make most people ignore the former.

It's like if we answered her "Is Rh'llor real?" question with "Yes and I had an affair with his ex Ymeri".
At that point birth-status can't matter.
 
I'm starting to worry for your mental health at this rate.

As I said, when I write I try to enter the mindset of the character I'm portraying. When counselling, you have to get a grasp on the mindset of the person across from you. So I'm kinda-sorta channelling my own knowledge through my mental approximation of Viserys where it relates to what he's seeing of his mother and the interludes DP's been giving us. I also have a caustic aversion to tragedy, and flatly refuse to let this devolve into one.

And I'm alright, just...invested in this, alright? I have put quite a bit of work in Rhaella over the last few days, and when I see the possibility of that being wrecked by a single vote, well let's just say the Salt Cave was about to get a new permanent resident :p And then I cancelled the viewing when DP modified things xD

We are all participants in a forum-based fantasy quest. Depending on definition, that mental health thing is way too late for us to apply.

I chuckled. Thank you <3
 
Yes, I think that would be best. More to the point, it reads better.

There's some disdain for feudalism in this thread. First, let me say I am no fan of its present-day equivalents, nor would I enjoy the real thing if I were to experience it today. But treating it as a childish affectation to be swept away by the dawning light of enlightened democracy does, I feel, a grave disservice to history.

And I see no reason why the arrival of magic on Planetos would be sufficient catalyst for change in that direction, for the following reasons:
  1. Feudalism still matters (nearly) as much as it ever did. Feudalism, in its purest form, is fealty to a person able to secure it. Power is hereditary, yes, but that's the thing about power bases: you can leverage them to keep the advantage. If all else fails, there's the option to ennoble those with the proper power level, then secure them by marriage if necessary. What has changed is largely the magnitude of potential unrest, and that is manageable enough.
  2. Quantity is a quality all of its own, and by not marrying dynastically, Viserys squanders a shitton of potential influence. This is objective fact. It translates into armies and ships and long-term control of land, which is the only enduring coin there is. Rhaella knows this, and she's not wrong.
  3. Feudalism is the entire system. If you obviate it, you break the entire infrastructure of the country. That wouldn't happen, of course: nobody would listen. Tell the nobility they don't matter, and your title of King is suddenly no more, because nobody will follow you. Nor should they. Why? Because you just broke fealty with them.
Feudalism endured for 600 years, and for a reason. I'm concerned by what I perceive as a lack of appreciation for its historic strengths and what it accomplished.
 
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OK, I feel really weird and not a little uncomfortable asking this, because it was a majority decision, but (considering the many concerns) would you guys like me to ret-con Mercy out of the teleport group?

Was she voted to come? If so, she can use a disguise ribbon for the time being, if not; leave her behind? I can imagine that Viserys would like to at least talk to mercy before trying to explain her to Rhaella.
 
As I said, when I write I try to enter the mindset of the character I'm portraying. When counselling, you have to get a grasp on the mindset of the person across from you. So I'm kinda-sorta channelling my own knowledge through my mental approximation of Viserys where it relates to what he's seeing of his mother and the interludes DP's been giving us. I also have a caustic aversion to tragedy, and flatly refuse to let this devolve into one.

And I'm alright, just...invested in this, alright? I have put quite a bit of work in Rhaella over the last few days, and when I see the possibility of that being wrecked by a single vote, well let's just say the Salt Cave was about to get a new permanent resident :p And then I cancelled the viewing when DP modified things xD
I'm greatly invested into ushering this backwater hole into a magitk fueled industrial revolution and introducing these poor fools to the glorious concept of total war.

I know what you mean with being invested. ;)
 
Yes, I think that would be best. More to the point, it reads better.

There's some disdain for feudalism in this thread. First, let me say I am no fan of its present-day equivalents, nor would I enjoy the real thing if I were to experience it today. But treating it as a childish affectation to be swept away by the dawning light of enlightened democracy does, I feel, a grave disservice to history.

And I see no reason why the arrival of magic on Planetos would be sufficient catalyst for change in that direction, for the following reasons:
  1. Feudalism still matters (nearly) as much as it ever did. Feudalism, in its purest form, is fealty to a person able to secure it. Power is hereditary, yes, but that's the thing about power bases: you can leverage them to keep the advantage. If all else fails, there's the option to ennoble those with the proper power level. What has changed is largely the magnitude of potential unrest.
  2. Quantity is a quality all of its own, and by not marrying dynastically, Viserys squanders a shitton of potential influence. This is objective fact. It translates into armies and ships and long-term control of land, which is the only enduring coin there is. Rhaella knows this, and she's not wrong.
  3. Feudalism is the entire system. If you obviate it, you break the entire infrastructure of the country. That wouldn't happen, of course: nobody would listen. Tell the nobility they don't matter, and your title of King is suddenly no more, because nobody will follow you. Nor should they. Why? Because you just broke fealty with them.
Feudalism endured for 600 years, and for a reason. I'm concerned by what I perceive as a lack of appreciation for its historic strengths and what it accomplished.
I'm sorry to take apart your strawman, but the vast majority here isn't pushing for a democracy at all. Not even close.

Have a look at our policies and constitution. We are building an Empire worthy of the capital E here.
 
Well falling I love with and (eventually) wedding an orphan commoner is certainly something Rhaella can understand if not necessarily be happy about.
 
I'm home now, so I'll see what I can do. Kinda just staring at my screen in horror right now though, wondering how the hell I (or anyone) am going to manage explaining this without shattering at least half of the protective illusions that we've let Rhaella keep and that are currently keeping her sane.

I don't particularly care for these protective illusions any longer but there are arguments for Lya being a better pick.

1. Stability of the Royal Line - Lya is much harder to kill and much more capable of raising and protecting our offspring for the coming future. Domination effects and low damage unresistable effects mean PC levels are necessary in a spouse.

2. Sovereignty of the Royal Line - We could not allow one of the 7 Kingdoms to "allow" us our rule once again, this is why I argued so heavily against Margaery as a prospect.
We are positioned to make sweeping reforms by personal might and the last thing we need is a family with their own agenda getting in, taking credit and gumming up the works.

I'm sure there are others but it's a little early, if you want her to be able to preserve the perspective of Noble importance both of those arguments frame the action perfectly as manipulation of that.
 
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