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Fair's fair, Paul is mucking about with the current order on many levels, and has...dealings with a chaos goddess on an intermittent basis (even if I believe he hasn't exactly lit incense in her honor or something?)

...but sometimes you just have to kill things that disagree with your vision of reality.
Think about it from a "Law & Order" perspective. Codified, duly enforced Law is one of the most important embodiment's of Order we have.

Like I have said before, Nabu is currently keeping Zatana kidnapped/enslaved. There are laws against this. Is accomplished this by leveraging Zatana's minor daughter as a hostage. There are also laws against that.

By being allowed to do this he becomes a special snowflake laws don't apply to, because his whims triumphed over the orderly agreed to consensus.

So, I am going to have to say Nabu is causing a much worse upheaval of the current order.
 
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Not really? Heck, there was a recent update about the cool stuff Kord & Io have been working on.

It's "mostly about Paul" because it's a first person story.
Cool stuff that they're doing because of Paul. He's practically the only person that does anything.

Which is fine. The story is a self indulgent power trip, and that's okay. I knew what I was signing up for when I started reading it.
 
Okay, so (and I mean no disrespect when I ask this, but) what are you still doing in this thread then?

Responding. Explaining why I feel discontent with the direction the story has taken, and, in doing so, understanding that discontent better.

It looks like he's providing a valid criticism with regards to the nature of the story.

Sure, it's always been a power fantasy -- The MC sculpts his body into his idealized form in the first episode -- but there was a time in this fic when other characters contributed to plans. For the last several updates it's been All Paul, All the Time, and the other characters don't do much but act as props.

Precisely.

Another thing: I've completely lost track of the other characters. The cast has become bloated, to the point where most of the characters don't have any impact on the plot at all. This includes the team that he originally cared a great deal about, which influenced how he used his power.

Does he hang out with them in his free time? Presumably. But I don't see why I should care about them anymore.

Except for Teekl, of course.
 
Yeeees, let the rage consume you.
Red.. isn't.. exactly rage. Rage is part of it, as is hate, but there's more to it than both. There isn't an entirely accurate single word for it in English. There is in Qwardian, and it translates into English as something like 'the certain need to unmake'.
That was "Well then." for a while but then changed to this. If you want to remove the second word, you should also remove the space.
Thank you, corrected.
I'm wondering if the Second Compulsion involves 'acting in the interests of Chaos'...
No.
 
For the last several updates it's been All Paul, All the Time, and the other characters don't do much but act as props.
I do have to say I agree with this. We are not seeing a lot of anyone else. Zoat even forgot Sphere had stayed with Grayven. And all his old teammates did not seem to have a problem dropping him as a friend once he returned the lantern.

On Paul's side, it is like the team does not even exist. They can be part of the slice of life segments as well.

I have half a feeling that the fig leaf of that golem body might have had a slightly better chance of working prior to someone leaving Fate chained in a closet for the lulz.
I do not think it was for the lulz. He was testing his containment tech on Nabu. And I doubt he was expecting Wonder Woman to want to take the restraints off. He was still thinking/hoping the League was really intending to free Zatana, and just let Nabu join to keep him around until they had a plan. Instead of making a Body Thief a full member.
 
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Cool stuff that they're doing because of Paul. He's practically the only person that does anything.

Which is fine. The story is a self indulgent power trip, and that's okay. I knew what I was signing up for when I started reading it.


well to be fair, right now paul is cosmic level strong, he's in the last stretch of his time on earth before moving out into the big bad universe. he's a bit outside the local weight class because he's about to move up a division.
 
I'm a little confused why Paul hasn't tried branding Nabu, and seems (at least on the surface) more intent on violence than branding him once he can pin him down in London. He had a chance at new years when Nabu was unconscious to see if branding would work, and he should know thanks to his empathic vision that Nabu is susceptible to orange light manipulation. And he knows thanks to Siskin that he's not super resistant to emotional manipulation.

It seems simple. Take his ability to teleport away, summon the Ophidian, brand him and order him off Zatara's head.
 
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I agree that Nabu is being a right dick about this, but I'm pretty sure Paul still has more plans being worked on now than the golem, which is his most recent plan, so it seems like it's a bit too early to throw in the towel and just murder him. He is far too valuable an asset to just throw away. Plus not killing when possible is generally a good idea if you're a superhero.

Actually, Paul has been planning on killing Nabu since he bodysnatched his teammate and refused to give her up. It's only recently that he stumbled on something that would allow him to not have to kill the Lord of Order.

As for not killing, that is what Paul tries to do, but very much isn't going to shed a tear if he has to, and he has, in story, and on screen before.

I think he just doesn't trust OL enough to use the body or make himself vulnerable during the transfer, He might also not want to do it because he'd be using a new method of interacting with the plane or because it's design was brought about by chaos and that would weaken him.

If Nabu was worried about it, I would agree. But he hasn't checked on anything Paul has been doing with magic, and Paul has been doing alot. And with some very Order aligned people as well. No, this is him refusing to give up a host. Maybe because of fear of them shelving him, maybe because he's super arrogant and doesn't believe anyone could make an artificial body for him, maybe because Paul is a chaos worshiper, and he refuses to trust anything he does because of this. We don't know yet.
 
I'm a little confused why Paul hasn't tried branding Nabu, and seems (at least on the surface) more intent on violence than branding him once he can pin him down in London. He had a chance at new years when Nabu was unconscious to see if branding would work, and he should know thanks to his empathic vision that Nabu is susceptible to orange light manipulation. And he knows thanks to Siskin that he's not super resistant to emotional manipulation.

It seems simple. Take his ability to teleport away, summon the Ophidian, brand him and order him off Zatara's head.
Because if it fails Nabu will take action towards him. He's saving the violence for the best possible time for him, when Nabu can't leave London, when Constantine and Teth Adom are on hand and prepared, when Batman and Wonder Woman can't order him to stop and possibly other preparations.
 
And all his old teammates did not seem to have a problem dropping him as a friend once he returned the lantern.
to be honest, it may be less that they dropped him as much as, with the League as a whole uncertain as to him goals, they are restricting the team's ability to interact with him. Aquaman and Flash for example may not be eager for their proteges to hangout with a potential supervillain. Batman knows he's undercover but won't mention that to anyone, even Robin (who doesn't trust Grayven to start with).

If Nabu was worried about it, I would agree. But he hasn't checked on anything Paul has been doing with magic, and Paul has been doing alot. And with some very Order aligned people as well. No, this is him refusing to give up a host. Maybe because of fear of them shelving him, maybe because he's super arrogant and doesn't believe anyone could make an artificial body for him, maybe because Paul is a chaos worshiper, and he refuses to trust anything he does because of this. We don't know yet.
I recall Nabu mentioning (not to OL, just in his hearing) in a previous episode that he was was under some sort of minor mystical attack but was unable to track the source (due to Constantine's warding).
 
Well. I'm just going to have to kill you, then.
You had your chance, Nabu.
Can't wait for OL to off him.

Wasn't it mentioned by Nabus' superior that box guy that he would be willing to remove Nabu if he wasn't doing his job right as a Lord of Order?

Wouldn't violently protesting against getting a superior and more useful body to be more effective at his job count as going against what is logical and orderly?

I mean like mentioned there is no logical reason to turn down the offer when by all accounts it is a better deal than his current host.

At this point Nabu is simply being petty and likely so paranoid about being put on the shelf again he never wants to remove himself even at the chance for a better body.

Sounds like perfect reasons to fire him to me at least.
That.. might work. The question is do the other order lords see it like that or not.
 
Just cause you are a order sorcerer does not mean you are a good guy. Just cause you are a chaos sorcerer does not mean you are a bad guy. NABU IS EVIL!
 
Red.. isn't.. exactly rage. Rage is part of it, as is hate, but there's more to it than both. There isn't an entirely accurate single word for it in English. There is in Qwardian, and it translates into English as something like 'the certain need to unmake'..

"Compulsive Nihilism?"
 
to be fair to nabu, from his perspective accepting anything from paul is dangerous. That a strongly chaos aligned entity would not be hostile to an order aligned entity is impossible. Even if he assumes paul hasn't tainted it somehow, he would know exactly what it could do and how to defeat it . Better to keep the body he has now than risk so much by walking into an obvious trap.

Something else that might lend to Nabu's cautious behavior...

He's currently getting the shit cursed out of him by a bunch of dead animals dressed up as Nabu.

Now, he doesn't know the specifics, but he knows someone is fucking with him, and now a chaos acolyte is trying to get his helmet off of his host.

Seriously. At this point, Paul's offer to Nabu could only be more-obviously-a-trap if there were giant neon letters flashing TRAP over Paul's head for the whole conversation. Given previous instances of Paul's Ring doing things he didn't tell it to, there may well have been.*

*Somewhat unlikely after enlightenment, but amusing to thing of.
 
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