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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Twelve)

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Alright, Nabu hate aside, what could his actual motivations here be? Nothing so far has indicated that he's an outright idiot. It might be that he genuinely needs a living host and he's attempted alternative means similar to what Paul is doing before. Or he just doesn't trust chaos-aligned beings? There seems to definitely be more going on than just "Nah I don't want to."

Also it kind of seems like Paul is jumping a bit too eagerly at the chance to kill him. I'd quite like to learn his actual motives behind not wanting a different host. What was it Paul said earlier? "Normal Orange Lantern corps procedures. Finding out what you want, and how it's in my best interests to give it to you?" Something like that? Putting aside Paul's bloodthirstiness towards Nabu this seems like an optimal time to use this strategy. At least give more than a halfhearted "Wanna do this? No? Alright I'm killing you then."

I agree that Nabu is being a right dick about this, but I'm pretty sure Paul still has more plans being worked on now than the golem, which is his most recent plan, so it seems like it's a bit too early to throw in the towel and just murder him. He is far too valuable an asset to just throw away. Plus not killing when possible is generally a good idea if you're a superhero.
 
Rem Ipsum said:
You know, it occurs to me that Paul has a lot more agency than the other characters. Not...quite sure how to feel about that.
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To be fair, I'd say that has less to do with his character and more to do with the narrative and his options. Paul's the POV character, so we usually only see what he's doing. What's more he's insanely motivated and his power ring grants him a way to easily actualize those wants. Keep in mind that most of his teammates are teenagers - and super powers aside - they're still trying to learn about life. As for Paul? Well, this is his life. He's never truly bothered with a 'secret' identity; he's OL 24/7.
 
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So basically Nabu is so lawful stupid, he cannot trust Chaotic Paul to not be up to evil tricks?
I suppose for him removing the helmet and putting it on the golem would require him to be unable to do shit until the golem has been possessed.
Does he thinks that as soon as the helmet is off his head Pauls going to stop it getting put back on the Golem?
 
I think he just doesn't trust OL enough to use the body or make himself vulnerable during the transfer, He might also not want to do it because he'd be using a new method of interacting with the plane or because it's design was brought about by chaos and that would weaken him.
 
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moralrelativity said:
I know, great symmetry, right?
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I recall mention of one, and that it was subtle. It's a bit odd, but the way Paul and Grayven alike both are almost unfailingly polite seems a bit like that's something. They both have the habit of addressing even people they don't like politely (though not always so maybe I'm way off base) and maybe it's a compulsion involving the way they communicate.
 
Rem Ipsum said:
You know, it occurs to me that Paul has a lot more agency than the other characters. Not...quite sure how to feel about that.
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We know most of the other major characters, know what to expect from them; so it's only natural that OL feels like he has more agency.

EDIT: I mean, you could drop Superman or Batman down in some arbitrary scenario and take a pretty good guess at what they'd do because their personality and character are so well known. That makes them predictable.

kildar said:
Which compulsions are you talking about? The name thing maybe?
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Mr Zoat has stated that there's another, subtle one.
 
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violetshadows said:
To be fair, I'd say that has less to do with his character and more to do with the narrative and his options. Paul's the POV character, so we usually only see what he's doing. What's more he's insanely motivated and his power ring grants him a way to easily actualize those wants. Keep in mind that most of his teammates are teenagers - and super powers aside - they're still trying to learn about life. As for Paul? Well, this is his life. He's never truly bothered with a 'secret' identity; he's OL 24/7.
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Avernus said:
We know most of the other major characters, know what to expect from them; so it's only natural that OL feels like he has more agency.
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I'll put it another way: If this were an original setting, Paul would come across as a Mary Sue. To be honest, I'm not sure that he isn't.

I can't remember the last time he just contributed to a fight or problem. He's always been the leading man. Honestly, it's no longer entertaining.
 
Mr Zoat said:
"No. I will not leave this body."
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Cover all your bases. Offer your enemies peace.

Because it's the right thing to do.

Then Righteously Face Punch (or face-analogue punch-analogue them).

Rem Ipsum said:
I'll put it another way: If this were an original setting, Paul would come across as a Mary Sue. To be honest, I'm not sure that he isn't.

I can't remember the last time he just contributed to a fight or problem. He's always been the leading man. Honestly, it's no longer entertaining.
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This is actually something the comics do right, keeping the cosmic-scale (in depth, width and breadth of power) Ring users largely *away* from Righteous FAce Puncher, Pointy Stick Launcher Guy and Violent Detective In Theme Costume Guy.
 
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I don't think what's gonna happen to nabu is gonna be anything synonymous with "righteous"

There's be plenty of fury, and maybe a few "biblical" instances, but if you're not fighting dirty, you're not trying hard enough.
 
Avernus said:
Welcome to superhero stories. You can throw a rock at a group of superheroes and expect it to bounce off multiple Destined Chosen Ones before hitting the ground.
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Was that the case for the original Young Justice? I was under the impression that all of the characters had moments in the spotlight and in the background, frequently contributing as a team and covering the weaknesses of other members?

What's worse is that the story is no longer following canon events--Zoat could easily have other characters take the lead.

Avernus said:
To you, perhaps.
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Yes? What else would I mean?
 
Mr Zoat said:
"No."

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"No as in-?"

"No. I will not leave this body."

Well . I'm just going to have to kill you, then.

Though this could be a useful opportunity to create a rift between him and the rest of the League. "Would you care to explain, sir? If you're concerned about the technology-."

His eyes begin to glow gold. "I will not justify myself to you, chaos worshipper."
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to be fair to nabu, from his perspective accepting anything from paul is dangerous. That a strongly chaos aligned entity would not be hostile to an order aligned entity is impossible. Even if he assumes paul hasn't tainted it somehow, he would know exactly what it could do and how to defeat it . Better to keep the body he has now than risk so much by walking into an obvious trap.
 
Something else that might lend to Nabu's cautious behavior...

He's currently getting the shit cursed out of him by a bunch of dead animals dressed up as Nabu.

Now, he doesn't know the specifics, but he knows someone is fucking with him, and now a chaos acolyte is trying to get his helmet off of his host.
 
Rem Ipsum said:
Was that the case for the original Young Justice? I was under the impression that all of the characters had moments in the spotlight and in the background, frequently contributing as a team and covering the weaknesses of other members?

What's worse is that the story is no longer following canon events--Zoat could easily have other characters take the lead.
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Okay. So you want other characters to do their own thing and let us see it. This is a story told only through Paul's perspective. That means if they're doing their own thing, Paul has to be there to witness it. If he's there to witness it, he'll want to get involved since his primary want is to help people at this point. And since his power level is basically cosmic at this point, whatever problem they're dealing with will usually be trivial to solve for him. And if it isn't, that means it's a problem on his level and is probably saving the person instead.

For other people to have the limelight, paradoxically we aren't allowed to see it happen.
 
Fandom Flux said:
Okay. So you want other characters to do their own thing and let us see it. This is a story told only through Paul's perspective. That means if they're doing their own thing, Paul has to be there to witness it. If he's there to witness it, he'll want to get involved since his primary want is to help people at this point. And since his power level is basically cosmic at this point, whatever problem they're dealing with will usually be trivial to solve for him. And if it isn't, that means it's a problem on his level and is probably saving the person instead.

For other people to have the limelight, paradoxically we aren't allowed to see it happen.
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I don't, "Want," everything. I've merely come to the conclusion that the premise--in which a person with, as you say, cosmic-tier powers (Without negative mental side effects, might I add--the opposite, if anything) is placed into a setting as low-tier as Young Justice--doesn't interest me.
 
Rem Ipsum said:
I don't, "Want," everything. I've merely come to the conclusion that the premise--in which a person with, as you say, cosmic-tier powers (Without negative mental side effects, might I add--the opposite, if anything) is placed into a setting as low-tier as Young Justice--doesn't interest me.
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Okay, so (and I mean no disrespect when I ask this, but) what are you still doing in this thread then?
 
abcd_z said:
Okay, so (and I mean no disrespect when I ask this, but) what are you still doing in this thread then?
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It looks like he's providing a valid criticism with regards to the nature of the story.

Sure, it's always been a power fantasy -- The MC sculpts his body into his idealized form in the first episode -- but there was a time in this fic when other characters contributed to plans. For the last several updates it's been All Paul, All the Time, and the other characters don't do much but act as props.
 
Well, I kind of hope that the upcoming assassination plot fails miserably, since Nabu has had every reason to be paranoid for a good while now and our main character strikes me as being in somewhat dire need of being dealt a bitter, crushing defeat. I have half a feeling that the fig leaf of that golem body might have had a slightly better chance of working prior to someone leaving Fate chained in a closet for the lulz.
 
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