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Ymaryn Successor Quest (Paths of Civ AU)

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tenchifew said:
So, can we afford it?
Authority grates extremely, but we have two at least.
-4 Influence, ok, this is brutal, but we do have 5 free, I think?
20 Prestige - eh.

So in the end we would have 1 Authority and 1 influence free.

Can we manage?
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We take it. This is entirely survivable and it comes before we have peaced the black sheep, so we cannot afford to fight.

I would pay most of that JUST for "Revaunchists gravely weakened", much less peace with the Khem.
 
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[] Defy (Great Power War)

Hell no.

I just wanna say fuck this guy and the whatever weird horse he's riding on.
 
We have to accept. With the war still ongoing with the Black Sheep, we will lose hard unless we can peace out the Black Sheep next turn and swing Dafydd and that army around before the Khem invade.

I say accept and do things to cause trouble for the Khem. It may have to wait until the current war is over, but we can sell weapons to Berba and maybe Abyss, create a spy network in the Khem and do stuff to make trouble for them.

My plan is to accept and spend the upcoming turn making peace with the Black Sheep or maybe the calendar reform. Once we got the Black Sheep dealt with, I want to look into doing Math Reform. We can afford it now and hopefully that will last for the near future and since we are going to be looking into getting a new king to regain our lost Authority, we might as well spent the Authority so we can get both back when Brynn comes to power.
 
[] Submit (20 Prestige transferred to KMT, -.2 Treasury, -4 Influence, -1 Authority, Revaunchists gravely weakened, personal action unavailable next turn)

Not even an income loss? This is better than I ever expected. We have the Influence and Authority free to afford it to.

And it's another heavy blow to the Revaunchists as well.
 
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For those wanting to take the Khem down a notch, that will have to wait until the future. We cannot afford to fight them right now, but we got options to mess with them in the future. We can sell Bombards to their enemies and create spy network so we can take covert actions against them.
 
Chimeraguard said:
[] Submit (20 Prestige transferred to KMT, -.2 Treasury, -4 Influence, -1 Authority, Revaunchists gravely weakened, personal action unavailable next turn)

Not even an income loss? This is better than I ever expected. We have the Influence and Authority free to afford it to.

And it's another heavy blow to the Revaunchists as well.
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The terms are nice because we still look strong running with 1 millions troops and they dont know how much the mass levy is burning us. So the khem is just a bit lenient with their terms.

Edit: Im just afraid of the internal effects of this tbh.

Korporati Speaks.
 
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If people want to pick a fight with Khem, we can do so in a couple decades, after the kingdom is reunited in full, we've set up the infrastructure to actually be able to administrate Thunder Plateau, and have a better navy and aren't as teetering on the brink of collapse behind the curtain.
Korporati said:
The terms are nice because we still look strong running with 1 millions troops and they dont know how much the mass levy is burning us. So the khem is just a bit lenient with their terms.

Edit: Im just afraid of the internal effects of this tbh.

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Yeah, there's probably gonna be some internal things to look out for when this is combined with the peace with Hellas. But we can't afford a war with Khem right now. If we want to fight Khem, let's wait a generation or two. Ymaryn are supposed to look at the long term after all.
 
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[] Submit (20 Prestige transferred to KMT, -.2 Treasury, -4 Influence, -1 Authority, Revaunchists gravely weakened, personal action unavailable next turn)

We have the treasury available, technically have the influence and authority available, though it will hurt, as will the personal action's loss. However, gravely weakening the Revaunchists is also a pro, and probably at elitist as well. And, with the Khem now have +40 prestige more than us, we don't need to frantically decrease it ourselves.

Actually, once the BS and WW fall, what will the revanchists be agitating for? We will have completed the Revaunchee, except perhaps Amber Road.

However, what it means is that next turn, if we have any free influence or authority available, we basically need to spend it on an Internal Factions: Ourself. This is going to piss off a lot of people in the kingdom, all the elitists, and knowing where those people are so we can prevent them from going wild is vital.
 
Korporati said:
Edit: Im just afraid of the internal effects of this tbh.
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Chimeraguard said:
Yeah, there's probably gonna be some internal things to look out for when this is combined with the peace with Hellas. But we can't afford a war with Khem right now. If we want to fight Khem, let's wait a generation or two. Ymaryn are supposed to look at the long term after all.
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I asked the QM on the Discord and the loss of Authority and Influence is the internal backlash and not part of the Khem demands.
 
Oshha said:
For those wanting to take the Khem down a notch, that will have to wait until the future. We cannot afford to fight them right now, but we got options to mess with them in the future. We can sell Bombards to their enemies and create spy network so we can take covert actions against them.
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And if we want a rematch, all we need to do is start overhauling Khem in prestige again...

The one downside with this submission is that we will be dependent on good war rolls next turn. If the war goes badly when we have so little influence, we could get a government collapse right?

I think running the risk of collapsing due to bad war rolls is better than the certainty of economic collapse if we enter war with Khem though.

Hmmm. It is a shame we don't have an alliance with Abys. Still, even if we did have the allies to maybe consider fighting Khem, that major weakening of the revanchists is attractive in its own right.

@Aranfan can we use omakes to boost our war rolls? I am assuming no.

fasquardon
 
This will knock us down from a Great Power to a major power. Are there any knock-on effects from that?
 
This is a much lighter demand than I was fearing. We don't even risk cancellation of projects.

In a way, they're doing us a favor. Greatly weakening the revaunchists, hell yeah! And, I assume, reducing our OVERWHELMING ARROGANCE in the process. This is pretty unambiguously a long-term good, along with a short-term good: it avoids an income hit, and makes more future much more predictable.

Oshha said:
we can sell weapons to Berba and maybe Abyss
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sell Bombards to their enemies
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Can we please stop pissing off Khem?

There's a major long-term problem with this deal, namely that we'll catch up to the Khem again eventually. By that time, I would strongly prefer that our relations are stronger, so that we can come to a more reasonable compromise--rather than tanking our relations, so that the next war becomes inevitable.

Influence them via Intrigue, sure. Outright pissing them off is just getting into a pissing contest for no reason.

Fouredged Sword said:
Clarification

The vote says -.2 treasury. Is it really 2/10ths of a treasury
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It's a "token tribute", so I would assume so.
 
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Rakuhn said:
This will knock us down from a Great Power to a major power. Are there any knock-on effects from that?
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Oh probably we look really weak to the world, as despite having a milion army and appearing strong, we accepted such a deal. Many state will probably heavily doubt our strength afterwards and think that our milion army is barely holding and we are in a terrible state.

Korporati Speaks.
 
Well, if we are lucky the prestige the Khem get from this humiliation will force them into a KotH war with the Magyar.
 
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taovkool said:
[] Defy (Great Power War)

Hell no.

I just wanna say fuck this guy and the whatever weird horse he's riding on.
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Just Some Guy said:
[] Defy (Great Power War)

Screw that guy let us yeetus deletus his ass to the shadow realm.
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The Khem is just baiting you like a schoolyard bully especially at our weakest point, calling us chickens and cowards.

Also, Dragon King would tsk at you at not making the smart moves. He would bid his time until the perfect moment is to take down the Khem a peg, or maybe forge an alliance with Khem. Whichever works.

Don't take it too personal and look at our goals.

Our goal this time is not to take down Khem a peg, but to win the reconquest.
 
Korporati said:
So khemetri only wants the +20 prestige huh? Is having high prestige really good, is getting to 100 prestige and becoming a supreme power really that beneficial huh

Korporati Speaks.
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There were some very nice knock on effects for being King of the Hill, favourable trade deals, better diplomacy, things like that.
We also had really nice legacies for getting and keeping the crown for a long while in the old quest.
This said, it also paints a big target on the one holding it and it is in no way a decisive advantage.

But basically the long, long time of being isolationists and still getting all the trade deals - this was King of the Hill's work.
 
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Khemtri is going to come back and swing at us. Why? Because we sold the Khemetri a pile of horseshit.

But hopefully by the time that happens, Khem either stop caring because we're friend or that we're in a much stronger position to fight them.
 
noncannon said:
Can we please stop pissing off Khem?

There's a major long-term problem with this deal, namely that we'll catch up to the Khem again eventually. By that time, I would strongly prefer that our relations are stronger, so that we can come to a more reasonable compromise.

Influence them via Intrigue, sure. Outright pissing them off is just getting into a pissing contest for no reason.
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I don't want to do this. You seem to have forgotten that the Khem have rivalled us and falsely convinced yourself that they are going to be open to reasonable compromise when they have openly stated that they want to take shots at us for both rational and irrational reasons. Ultimately, the Khem have decided by their words and actions that they and the Ymaryn are going to be rivals and frankly, we should acknowledge that reality. We passed the point of pissing off the Khem back when we humiliated them back in the Kus famine.

Stop acting like the Khem are our future friends. They are not even if they might have been in the original timelime. The Pamplona and Amber Road are our friends and potential future allies while the Khem want to be our enemy. I want to take actions against the Khem in the future even if it upsets them because they have been doing the exact same thing to us and will continue to do so.
 
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