There can be no compromise. Why? Because most of our levies consists of the urban poor. And they are royally pissed. Even then, there's also going to be freeholder petty nobles amongst them, and they're also pissed. Rural nobility on the other hand are going to be pissed at how bad of a job the Black Sheep are doing.
 
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News from Txolla:

The Highlanders spilled out of the mountains this year, seeking to take advantage of your distraction. The reserve deployed promptly and contained the incursion. However, it is expected it may take a few years for the Highlanders to get the point.

[+0 Influence]

...ok...
That's it. They die.

And with the new information I am very glad we rejected the peace offer from BS - this is not workable, and will be a hell to bring back to order.
 
There can be no compromise. Why? Because most of our levies consists of the urban poor. And they are royally pissed.

Maybe not as much as you would think. Don't forget that they aren't urban poor from Thunder Plateau. The poor in Thunder Plateau being upset doesn't equal the poor in other parts of the Ymaryn Empire being upset.
 
The Bwyll Ration
As any player of Paths of Civilization knows, the Ymaryn are crazy urbanized, and the structural incentives were such that they would tend to become even more so over time. They would also know that Panem, free food for all urbanites, was implemented to stave off crisis.

Well, eventually the cities became so vast that Panem became untenable and had to be reformed.

The solution was the Bwyll Ration. Some enterprising Noble looked into how the Bwyll originated as a food ration token, and saw a path to fix the crisis. Instead of paying for Panem out of the "Econ" stat, they could pay for it out of the "Wealth" stat. Every year each and every subject of the Melkut Ymaryn is paid a sum calculated to be sufficient to feed them for a year. This is calculated on the price of the government's food, and recalculated every ten years.
 
The solution was the Bwyll Ration. Some enterprising Noble looked into how the Bwyll originated as a food ration token, and saw a path to fix the crisis. Instead of paying for Panem out of the "Econ" stat, they could pay for it out of the "Wealth" stat. Every year each and every subject of the Melkut Ymaryn is paid a sum calculated to be sufficient to feed them for a year. This is calculated on the price of the government's food, and recalculated every ten years.
[The dole system became untenable due to ridiculous urbanization, so the solution was to institute a UBI]
Only in the Ymarin, amiright?
 
I don't really understand what's the problem here? You still need to give out bread.
I didn't say there was a problem? Or are you referencing the problems with the system that Aranfan talked about that I referenced?

I guess calculating and distributing a wage is about the same as distributing bread, just with the power of the state's ability to negotiate bread prices moved to the distributed power of the people.
 
It looks like Khan Thaddeus was seriously exaggerating the merits of the Black Sheep, at the very least. The most charitable reading possible is that he's been hanging out too much with the industrialists, and isn't really looking past their expanded industrial capacity.

Balthazar's next communication, if and when he sends one, would probably include some very pointed words about long-term management and duty to the lessers under one's care.

Honestly, the Black Sheep are a mess, and I'm a lot less sure now that a clean integration is possible. It's very good that we didn't take their first offer. But, at the very least,
The Black Sheep themselves are split into two rough groupings. A belligerent group that is jealous of its new privileges, and their high status as conquerors.
It's obvious which grouping to go after. Targeted intrigue, perhaps? Leave only the faction concilitory to the Ymaryn, and we might have the impetus behind a peaceful integration.

With the Black Sheep, intrigue might be even more effective than relatively difficult military action. It's clear that a lot of people are unhappy under their rule.

Silver lining: this will be our chance to introduce commoners to the bureaucracy, if only out of sheer necessity. Once it's clear that they can do the job, it could spur changes back home.

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On the Western Wall front, I think a war of attrition would favor us. They've been "hulking out" by conquering people who are probably stifling under their rule. Have their army distracted long enough, and they face a knife in the back.

Do they have Treasury problems? It depends on whether Western Wall are using the equivalent of a City Levy (one-time cost) or Mass Levy (cost each turn). In the latter case, they're likely to face serious problems within a few years. In the former case, we can't count on their Treasury being depleted before ours'.
 
I don't really understand what's the solution here? You still need to give out bread.
It relieves the King's men of the obligation to deliver food to the hungry. IIRC our monetary denomination system is sufficient that distributing coin and letting people buy food where they may is more manpower efficient than distributing food directly.
 
Okay, we are looking at having 1 Authority and 4 Influence to work with next turn. That looks like plenty through I'm not sure what we'll want to stick that Authority on.

Do they have Treasury problems? It depends on whether Western Wall are using the equivalent of a City Levy (one-time cost) or Mass Levy (cost each turn). In the latter case, they're likely to face serious problems within a few years. In the former case, we can't count on their Treasury being depleted before ours'.
It would be a City Levy. Only the Ymaryn Core (that is us) is capable of pulling off a Mass Levy thanks to our extreme urbanisation and the Guild Industry.
 
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I didn't say there was a problem? Or are you referencing the problems with the system that Aranfan talked about that I referenced?

I guess calculating and distributing a wage is about the same as distributing bread, just with the power of the state's ability to negotiate bread prices moved to the distributed power of the people.

I changed the wording. I meant solution.

If you move the negotiation power from the state to the individuals, that mean the negotiation power weakens.
It relieves the King's men of the obligation to deliver food to the hungry. IIRC our monetary denomination system is sufficient that distributing coin and letting people buy food where they may is more manpower efficient than distributing food directly.

That makes more sense. Use the market to figure things out while traders chase profit.
 
Also looks like the DC for Survey Lands is between 40 and 65. Likely lower for territories with lower populations, but it definitely looks like it's '2 Dice if you want guaranteed success'.

That said, has it been confirmed yet what the cool down on the action is?
 
Okay, we are looking at having 1 Authority and 4 Influence to work with next turn. That looks like plenty through I'm not sure what we'll want to stick that Authority on.
Spending an action on the highlanders might be worth it, but it might be overkill. I'm really not sure what they are expecting, last time other people jumped in on a Ymarin-Great Power war, they kind of got, well Curbstomped is putting it nicely.

More intrigue on BS or WW, perhaps?

I want to put an influence on Warding: Amber Road, help out our friends.

Is Calendar Reform out of the question? 60%/3y doesn't seem too bad. Math Reforms at about 41% is still probably a bit low.
 
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It looks like Khan Thaddeus was seriously exaggerating the merits of the Black Sheep, at the very least. The most charitable reading possible is that he's been hanging out too much with the industrialists, and isn't really looking past their expanded industrial capacity.

Partly yes, and partly no. They are a mess compared to the Melkut Ymaryn. They aren't, speaking objectively, that much worse managed than say the Hung or Berba. Thing is, the Melkut Ymaryn has endured for three thousand years, and most of those other places fall apart after a mere 500.

So... you know. Different standards and stuff.
 
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War in Kus!: The heir of Kurna has taken the throne and, as is apparently tradition in that land, declared war on all of his neighbors simultaneously. Thus far, he seems to be losing.

This made me laugh.

Determine Internal Factions, Black Sheep:
Needed: 34+. Rolled: 50. Success.

Well, with this example plus the example of Germanium, I think we can quash any moves towards propertarianism.

News from Txolla:

The Highlanders spilled out of the mountains this year, seeking to take advantage of your distraction. The reserve deployed promptly and contained the incursion. However, it is expected it may take a few years for the Highlanders to get the point.

[+0 Influence]

I really want to annex the Highlanders. The benefits to Ymaryn trade would be enormous.

fasquardon
 
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Spending an action on the highlanders might be worth it, but it might be overkill. I'm really not sure what they are expecting, last time other people jumped in on a Ymarin-Great Power war, they kind of got, well Curbstomped is putting it nicely.
I don't think we have any spare military forces to commit.

More intrigue on BS or WW, perhaps?

I want to put an influence on Warding: Western Wall, help out our friends.

Is Calendar Reform out of the question? 60%/3y doesn't seem too bad. Math Reforms at about 41% is still probably a bit low.
We can't do any more Intrigue on WW at the moment while I don't think setting up a spy network in the Black Sheep is cost effective at this point.

If you mean Amber Road, then maybe. It would depend on if we got another spare personnel to do it right now.

I would rather say the Calendar Reform for when we want to do an action that costs us Influence because right now, we are pushing the cap or close to it and I would rather not waste one of our Influence-gaining actions. Math Reforms is too expensive to risk with the Mass Levy as it costs 3 Treasury.

We could use that authority to perform the Sacred Warding for the Thunder Plateau if our general thinks it's safe.
We need to get administrative control of Thunder Plateau first and that requires getting de facto control of Thunder Plateau.
 
On the positive note, we will be basically forced to elevate some commoners into management positions to govern Thunder Plateau at all, this should be a hit against our "Elitist" trait.

...After all the lessons we should've learned regarding expansionism back in PoC and also here, this sentiment surprises me.

If they only did not backstab us each and every damn time!
There honestly should be some limits.
 
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On the positive note, we will be basically forced to elevate some commoners into management positions to govern Thunder Plateau at all, this should be a hit against our "Elitist" trait.
"We're so superior our commoners are better than foreign nobles" is probably a better attitude, sure. Elitism bleeding into (even more) national chauvinism is probably technically an improvement.
 
"We're so superior our commoners are better than foreign nobles" is probably a better attitude, sure. Elitism bleeding into (even more) national chauvinism is probably technically an improvement.
Our stability and ability to educate commoners we elevate actually means that this is not entirely untrue even. Some random lords kid may not actually be as educated as someone we raise to nobility from our officer class.

Our officer is just more focused on things like logistics, leading men in mutual efforts, and organisation. You know, the actual skills a lord uses.
 
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Hmm, if the Black Sheep don't seem that much worse than usual, there may instead be pointed words about "a fair showing compared to other nations, but still having some ways to go before achieving the general Ymaryn standards for care of the land and citizenry. Sustainable use of the land, mechanisms of ration distribution so that the poor need not face the choice between overfarming--hence permanent soil depletion--or starvation; all are required in a state as stable and enduring as the Ymaryn!"

Our general will likely be filling these positions with commoners from his own army.
Certainly the best available source of known talent, but the Black Sheep are an entire nation of apparently gutted bureaucracy. There might simply not be enough.

I suspect that commoners would be recruited from both the Core, the army, and the Plateau (which makes sense, since they have local knowledge).
 
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