All I am asking for is that people can read and write and do math. I am not asking people to teach academic subjects like history or Ymaryn language.
That is easier, but it really does require a significant amount of educated people who already have jobs they are using their education in. And we really are likely to be running at a deficit on them, a deficit that will get worse when the rebuilding demands even more entry level clerks and land-management priests whose ability to read, write and do math is indispensable for their jobs.

Mind, we can get around to it eventually, but it'll take time and be costly without a doubt.
 
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No, it is the need for human resources that is in the way. Remember our tremendous shortage of educated people for the bureaucracy? An education system as we'd envision it requires an entire new group of people with about the same level of education to form it. We'd be better off focusing on expanding our existing education facilities until we have a surplus of people with academic knowledge instead of a deficit.

We have enough nobles in the core to replace the traitors nobles in the Western Wall.
 
@ExNihilo: The numbers look right to me, which is the really important thing. Are you using tables/simulation, or is there some analytical technique I'm not aware of?
My technique for finding the probability was to use Anydice's At Least calculation for 2 or 3d100, and then for expected time, 5/the decimal form of the probability anydice spits out. It's probably oversimplified, but should be roughly right.
 
That is easier, but it really does require a significant amount of educated people who already have jobs they are using their education in. And we really are likely to be running at a deficit on them, a deficit that will get worse when the rebuilding demands even more entry level clerks and land-management priests whose ability to read, write and do math is indispensable for their jobs.

Mind, we can get around to it eventually, but it'll take time and be costly without a doubt.

If we are using the Prussian system, then yes it will be quite labor intensive since we'll need to actually train teachers to teach and nurture students as opposed to supervision.
 
Reading/writing/doing math would make the entire society more productive, plausibly increasing income in the long-term.

Um, let's start teaching math after the Math Reform is complete. Wouldn't want to force everyone to learn a "new math" within years of learning the first.
 
The printer and bookmakers guilds will absolutely love this and enthusiastically support it. Opponents might be low level clerks who see it as a threat to their position?
 
The printer and bookmakers guilds will absolutely love this and enthusiastically support it. Opponents might be low level clerks who see it as a threat to their position?
Probably not, there is a lot of room for more clerks after all so they'll think it is fine at the time we institute it. The private sector is also likely to absorb a fair amount since I imagine at the moment they are making do with the Melkut's left-overs when it comes to educated people. Then you have everyone who winds up farming or going into a guild apprenticeship like they would have anyways, which is also a lot of people.

The real problem will be when we eventually do reach saturation, long after the schools are instituted, and want to create some new upward mobility for the products of our basic education. The nobles will complain then.
 
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Probably not, there is a lot of room for more clerks after all so they'll think it is fine at the time we institute it. The private sector is also likely to absorb a fair amount since I imagine at the moment they are making do with the Melkut's left-overs when it comes to educated people. Then you have everyone who winds up farming or going into a guild apprenticeship like they would have anyways, which is also a lot of people.

The real problem will be when we eventually do reach saturation, long after the schools are instituted, and want to create some new upward mobility for the products of our basic education. The nobles will complain then.

Also, those masters will probably require accounting services of some kind.

Anyway, with basic education, any enterprising urban poor could afford to spend time at the libraries and self educate themselves. I suspect we'll see public lending libraries, probably opening up at the temples.

The only question is the impetus and the emergence of the idea to create basic public education.
 
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The only question is the impetus and the emergence of the idea to create basic public education.
Thunder Plateau is the least stratified place in our kingdom, its governors will be elected even. Any such ideas would likely come from there, and are specially likely to make it to implementation if a governor of Thunder Plateau becomes King.
 
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Thunder Plateau is the least stratified place in our kingdom, its governors will be elected even. Any such ideas would likely come from there, and are specially likely to make it to implementation if a governor of Thunder Plateau becomes King.

Makes sense. They had to train new administrators from scratch. Also, governor is likely to hear about the core's overworked clerk and how even adding noblewomen was not enough. Also learning Kus numerals was infinitely easier than learning the old systems of numbers, which means the governor thinks even dullards can be taught arithmetic.

I bet the newly trained administrators in TP is going to be peeved that the bureaucracy in Homevalley all the sudden wants everything in kus numerals.
 
Our title of king is presumably descended from Big Man, right? I don't remember how we got it, but I wonder how explicitly gendered it is. If it isn't, and other people have just been translating it as King, explicitly, rather than Monarch, as it hasn't been held by a woman since ancient times, there might be a non-trivial amount of surprise.

And possibly prestige loss, depending.
Is 'melkut' bad!Welsh for "monarch" as opposed to "big man"??

This also prompts me to whether the ymaryn language does the silly thing where all nouns are gendered
 
Is 'melkut' bad!Welsh for "monarch" as opposed to "big man"??

This also prompts me to whether the ymaryn language does the silly thing where all nouns are gendered

Melkut is Kingdom, I think. Meleek is King.

Also, it's not "big man", because we adopt the term from the lowland or the highlander. Before King, we used High Chief.
 
Melkut is Kingdom, I think.
You are 100% right.

Still wanna know if "Melek" is gendered tho - and how others have been translating it. It's much funnier to imagine our diplomats having to explain, "no no, the literal meaning is more like 'administrator', it doesn't have any gender attached. What's that? No, the Melek's spouse doesn't get a title, are you crazy? The spouse wasn't elected to be jack shit."
 
Our title of king is presumably descended from Big Man, right? I don't remember how we got it, but I wonder how explicitly gendered it is. If it isn't, and other people have just been translating it as King, explicitly, rather than Monarch, as it hasn't been held by a woman since ancient times, there might be a non-trivial amount of surprise.

And possibly prestige loss, depending.
Honestly, I can see no change in Prestige simply because everyone is going to likely just chalk it up to us being weird, because basically no one is going to think we are weak.

Hellas will hiss and throw fits...but that is Hellas. Everyone knows that they exist because we let them exist.
 
I'm definitely down with making supporting province X a repeating action until we've hit them all at least once. They all could use it and we've got the gold currently, it might be worth putting the old "forward thinking Ymaryn" hat back on while we do Math reform or w/e the shiny of the turn is.
 
The US one isn't that bad, just operates on a different philosophy, albeit one not without it's own problems. I mean, it wasn't made with the idea of it being completely redone every so many years to keep it up to date, and was written in a way that reflects that...
Though it was written after the Articles of Confederation disaster.
Electoral college, states' rights, FPTP voting...
 
Honestly, I can see no change in Prestige simply because everyone is going to likely just chalk it up to us being weird, because basically no one is going to think we are weak.

Hellas will hiss and throw fits...but that is Hellas. Everyone knows that they exist because we let them exist.

Rumor mill: The Hellas is scandalized by the fact that the new King is a woman!
 
Electoral college, states' rights, FPTP voting...
Everything that's wrong with the American system stems from the Founders' belief that people are untrustworthy. The whole president/congress/senate thing exists because they thought each group would be inevitably filled with self centred jackasses obsessed with their own individual power over everything else, so they would fight amongst themselves and thereby limit each other's power. Also making it a struggle to get anything done, but that's a minor issue, right?

Instead of the reality of the world, where people are perfectly willing to cooperate and work together, meaning that a system wilfully ignorant of political parties is brain dead from the word go.

Compare that to a Westminster system where it's assumed that people are generally speaking interested in getting things done, so the system allows them to get on with it with a few caveats.
 
32 Aryl Cwymyp (1625 Andyidh Dyadorn)
32 Aryl Cwymyp (1625 Andyidh Dyadorn)


Total Dice: 7 Influence, 2 Authority
Committed: 3 Influence, 1 Authority
Available Dice: 4 Influence, 1 Authority



Martial:

[] War Mission: Send the army to fight enemies. Can only be taken once per turn for any given enemy. (95%. 1 Year. Success and length of campaign rolled separately. Possible influence gains or losses depending on the result.)
-Write in Targets, one per influence

[] City Levy: Gather up some of the excess population in the cities and throw them at an enemy. Can only be taken once per turn for any given enemy. (90%. 1 Year. Expensive. Success and length of campaign rolled separately. Possible influence gains or losses depending on the result.)
-Write in Targets, one per influence

[] Activate The Mass Levy!: Arm and mobilize up to a million soldiers. The earth quakes at your approach. None can stand against the might of The People. (85%. 1 year. Success and length of campaign rolled separately. Possible influence gains or losses depending on result. Unsustainably expensive)
-Write in Targets, may choose as many as you like

[] Construct Warships, Redshore: Although the Yllython Mor is once more the King's Lake, you could still use ships in the Syffron. (70%. 2 years. +Warships. Expensive)

[] Construct Warships, New Blackmouth: The shipyards of New Blackmouth are once more ready and operational. (70%. 2 years. +Warships. Expensive)

[] Construct Warships, Trelli: You once more have Trelli. Its dockyards and shipyards are robust and capable. With those facilities you can build even more warships. (70%. 2 years. +Warships. Expensive)

[] Construct Warships, Harmurri Gulf: Do you really need warships on the Monsoon Sea? The trade there is quite civilized with much less piracy than on the Saffron Sea. (70%. 2 years. +Warships. Expensive)

[] Found Banner Company: The storied mercenary companies of the Melkut Ymaryn were ancient institutions, that played important roles in both martial and diplomatic matters. Having a banner company at your beck and call, able to be loaned out to allies or against enemies, it is a powerful tool. An expensive one though. (100%. 3 Years. Expensive, -.5 Income, potentially profitable, may be taken more than once)



Diplomacy:

[] Seek Loan: You are strapped for cash. Other states have money that you could use. Ask them if they would be willing to float a loan. (85%, +1 Treasury Status, -.1 Income, -1 Prestige)
-Write in who to seek loan from, requires at least 5/10 opinion, may be taken more than once

[] Repay Loan: You now have the money you need to repay a loan, do so. (100%, 1 Year, -1 Treasury, +.1 Income, unlikely +Prestige, loans expire on their own after 100 years)

[] Diplomatic Contact, Highlanders: What have the Highlanders gotten up to in these last thousand years? Do you even care so long as they stay in their hills? (???% 1 Year. Possible -Influence)

[] Diplomatic Contact, Pulska: Who are the Pules and what do they want? (???%. 1 Year.)
-on cooldown until turn 47

[] Sell Weapons: It turns out an easy way to make a lot of money quickly is to sell weapons to countries who are at, or planing to go to, war. (Variable Success, 1 year, Profitable, may be taken multiple times with different targets who must be either a major power or the minors of a region)
-write in target

[] Negotiate Trade Deal: In the cutthroat world of commerce it is said that for one to benefit another must lose. Even so, it might be worthwhile to formalize trade deals with various powers. (85%. 1 Year. +.1 Income and -1 Opinion if Prestige > Target or -.1 Income and +1 Opinion if Prestige < Target, may pay 1 prestige to give a favorable deal to a less prestigious state, may be taken multiple times with different targets, possible opinion effects on third parties)
-Write in target

[] Build Ties: Common Ground can be found anywhere, since people are always people. Simply by dealing forthrightly with people, and addressing their concerns in an honest manner or telling them why you can't, you can improve their opinion of you. (25%, 10 years, +1 Opinion)

[] Deepen Alliance: Having built the foundations of a strong relationship with another polity, see about deepening the ties that bind you. (Narrative%. 2 Years. +1 Alliance Level, -Opinion = new Alliance Level, cannot be used if this would take their opinion below 5)
-Write in Target

[] Offer Loan: The Melkut Ymaryn is rich beyond measure, but other polities need money too. You could offer to lend them cash when they need it. (Narrative%, 1 year, -1 Treasury, unlikely +Opinion)

[] Forgive Loan: Other people owe you money, but it's not like you need the cash. Their gratitude at being let off the hook may be more valuable than mere silver. (100%, 1 Year, -.1 Income, +Opinion, Possible ± Prestige, Narrative effects)



Admin:

[] Math Reform: The Kus have made advances in the notation of mathematics beyond the wildest dreams of the people. Not to mention the substance of math. "Zero"… it will change everything once people get a handle on it. If you were to institute reforms that changed the Melkut Ymaryn to the superior Kus system of math, then there would be immense savings simply from more precise ability to keep track of things. Of course, until the bureaucracy got a hang of the new numbers, it would be pure chaos. (45%. 5 Years. Extremely Expensive, -1 Authority while in progress, +2 Income)

[] Survey Hathytta Province: Hathytta has long been the center of your mining industries. Many enterprising citizens will even try to survey and find valuable resources on their own initiative. Still, the land is rich and another survey can do no harm. (???%. 1 Year. Resources?)

[] Survey Txolla Province: Txolla has been surveyed many times, but technology and the skill of surveyors is always improving. It might be possible to find something of use on the floodplains. (???%. 1 Year. Resources?)

[] Survey Tinshore Province: Tinshore has been surveyed many times, but technology and the skill of surveyors is always improving. It might be possible to find something of use there. (???%. 1 Year. Resources?)

[] Survey Core: The Core has been surveyed many times, but technology and the skill of surveyors is always improving. It might be possible to find something of use there. (???%. 1 Year. Resources?)
-on cool-down until turn 40

[] Survey Stallion Province: Stallion Province has been surveyed many times, but technology and the skill of surveyors is always improving. It might be possible to find something of use there. (???%. 1 Year. Resources?)

[] Survey Memory of Spirits Province: Memory of Spirits has been surveyed many times, but technology and the skill of surveyors is always improving. It might be possible to find something of use there. (???%. 1 Year. Resources?)

[] Survey Greenshore Province: Greenshore Province has been surveyed many times, but technology and the skill of surveyors is always improving. It might be possible to find something of use there. (???%. 1 Year. Resources?)

[] Survey Thunder Plateau Province: The Thunder Mountains have been surveyed many times, but a lot of information about their resource deposits would have been lost in the chaos of the Black Sheep takeover during the Collapse. Additionally, technology and the skill of surveyors is always improving. (???%. 1 Year. Resources?)
-on cooldown until turn 37

[] Develop Wagon Ways, Stonepen: Stonepen was always the smallest of your great cities, as it did not have an easily navigable waterway to help feed it. With wagonways, such as you have in mines and in the great cities of Redshore and Trelli, it would be possible to roughly quadruple the ammount of goods shipped to and from Stonepen. (55%. 4 years. Very Expensive, +.1 Income, +15% on Wagonways Megaprojects)

[] Support Province: Give one of the provinces considerable sums of money to assist in their current infrastructural projects. (85%, 1 Year, Expensive, +Province Loyalty)
-Write in which province

Train Thunder Plateau Administrators, Elective: Long ago, in the oldest laws, nobles were elected and gentry appointed by the nobles. Even now, the legitimization ceremonies of the nobility involve leaders of the places they administer giving consent to their authority. The families with the greatest aptitude naturally rose to the top and their ability recognized to the point where the elections eventually became a formality that was done away with by the Dragon King. With the former nobility of Thunder Plateau… erased it may be wise to implement the system of the Ancients, at least until the best families have revealed themselves. (70%, Length of Thunder Plateau Campaign+2 years, possible -1 Influence, ability to reestablish administrative control of Thunder Plateau. Mutually exclusive with Appointive) In Progress


Intrigue:

[] Establish Spy Network: Establish a spy network in one of the places you have diplomatic contact with. (33%. 3 Years. Fails entirely if it fails once. Unlocks options. May be taken multiple times, but only with different targets.)
-Write in Target

[] Determine Internal Factions: Receive a dossier on the relevant internal factions of a polity you have diplomatic relations with. This will allow you to support or oppose their internal factions to be more favorable to your interests.
-[] Write in a polity you have diplomatic relations with, may be taken more then once with different targets for each time the action is taken.

[] Assassinate Faction Leaders: Assassinate the leaders of political factions that have been identified in foreign polities.

[] Fund Faction: Fund a faction in a foreign polity that has been identified.


Mysticism:

Touch The Cow, Do It Now, Western Wall: The Sacred Warding in Western Wall collapsed when the Divine Weapon took the sacred herds to add to his own and those of his followers. Restore it. (70%, 3 years, +Western Wall Loyalty) In progress

[] Spreading the Warding, Abyss: The land of Abyss seems to be a robust and centralized state. It can be trusted with the knowledge of the Sacred Warding. Fighting the starpox is always desirable. (50%. 5 Years. +1 Abyss Opinion, possible +1 Abyss Opinion. Starpox fought.)

[] Spreading the Warding, Pamplona: Pamplona has established a robust enough bureaucracy that they can be trusted with the Sacred Warding. Give it to them to continue Bynwyn's work. (50%. 4 years. +Pamplona Opinion. Starpox fought.)

Calendar Reform: The calendar adopted from the Khemetri in the wake of the Godfist has the disadvantage that the year shifts, losing a day every four years. It had been planned that once a full rotation had been completed, there would be a reform that adds an extra day every four years. However, the Collapse serves as an important enough event that a new calendar that begins at the end of the collapse would be warranted and allow the reform to occur thousands of years ahead of schedule. (60%, 3 years, +1 Influence, better calendar) In Progress


FREE ACTIONS:

[] Rent out Banner Companies: Uncommitted Banner Companies may be rented out for a five year term. (Profitable).

[] Deploy Banner Companies: Uncommitted Banner Companies may be deployed to a war zone of your choice.


MEGAPROJECTS:

Greenhouses: The Kings of old built a number of grand greenhouses to tend exotic plants from far away, so that they could be studied and for their own enjoyment. Most of these greenhouses were smashed by the Great Khan. Restore them. (Authority + 90%, 20 Years, -1 Treasury Status every four years)

Signal Towers: One of the issues that always plagued the governance of the Thunder Plateau was how far away and difficult to reach it was. It would be possible to set up signal relay towers along the way, which would greatly speed up messaging between the Plateau and the Core. It would take a lot of precision glasswork for the spyglasses, however. (Authority + 75%, 20 Years, -1 Treasury Status every four years)

Wagonways, Thunder Plateau: One of the issues that has always plagued the governance of the Thunder Plateau was how far away and difficult to reach it was. The transportation of goods especially suffered from this. However, it is possible to remedy this. There are rails used in the mines to ease transportation, and such things are also used in the Great Docks of Redshore. It would be possible to make rails of iron to vastly improve the carrying capacity of the horse wagons. However, this would require truly vast amounts of iron. (Authority + 50%, 25 years, -1 Treasury Status every four years, Expensive)

Reform THE LAW: It has been a very long time since the last time the Law was compiled and streamlined. There has been much accumulation of loopholes, drifts, and patching as the times changed. The current law is confusing and difficult and in many ways outdated. It should be simplified, updated for the current age, and recodified. (Authority + 90%, 20 Years, -1 Treasury Status every four years, +1 Authority on completion)



Personal Action (Choose One):
[] Work Overtime (+1 temp Influence, +Stress)
[] Relax with Family (-Stress)
[] Catch up on the latest plays and theological debates (-Stress)
[] Attend to a particular action personally. (Provides bonus to action)
-[] Write in Action


Voting is by plan.
Two Hour Moratorium.
 
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Everything that's wrong with the American system stems from the Founders' belief that people are untrustworthy. The whole president/congress/senate thing exists because they thought each group would be inevitably filled with self centred jackasses obsessed with their own individual power over everything else, so they would fight amongst themselves and thereby limit each other's power. Also making it a struggle to get anything done, but that's a minor issue, right?

Instead of the reality of the world, where people are perfectly willing to cooperate and work together, meaning that a system wilfully ignorant of political parties is brain dead from the word go.

Compare that to a Westminster system where it's assumed that people are generally speaking interested in getting things done, so the system allows them to get on with it with a few caveats.
Yeah. And sadly, they might have been on to something considering the mess current politics is now...
Between the parties and certain politicians, it's gonna be a mess for years, and I have no idea who actually has the people they represent as their priority, instead of themselves or their party leaders...
Edit: I'm an american, so yeah...
 
Also, if you are planning to do math reform, expecting to be able to use your free authority on a 1 year action is a bad plan.
 
[] Plan Oshha
-[] Authority & Influence & Influence: Math Reform: The Kus have made advances in the notation of mathematics beyond the wildest dreams of the people. Not to mention the substance of math. "Zero"… it will change everything once people get a handle on it. If you were to institute reforms that changed the Melkut Ymaryn to the superior Kus system of math, then there would be immense savings simply from more precise ability to keep track of things. Of course, until the bureaucracy got a hang of the new numbers, it would be pure chaos. (45%. 5 Years. Extremely Expensive, -1 Authority while in progress, +2 Income)
-[] Influence: Forgive Loan: Other people owe you money, but it's not like you need the cash. Their gratitude at being let off the hook may be more valuable than mere silver. (100%, 1 Year, -.1 Income, +Opinion, Possible ± Prestige, Narrative effects)
--[] Amber Road
-[] Influence: Repay Loan: You now have the money you need to repay a loan, do so. (100%, 1 Year, -1 Treasury, +.1 Income, unlikely +Prestige, loans expire on their own after 100 years)
--[] Pamplona
-[] Personal: Relax with Family (-Stress)

A tentative plan. I'm not sure if we will be keeping our Authority for this turn since according to the mechanics, we should only lose it next turn when the Math Reform starts in the results phase of this turn - The QM has spoken, it is a bad idea to use it. Two Influence goes to the Math Reform. One Influence goes to forgiving Amber Road's loan and while I want to ally Pamplona, I've decided that I want to repay their loan first before going about asking for an alliance seem it might be awkward for the narrative chance of success to go asking for a nonaggression pact while we still owe them money. The personal goes towards stress relief to keep our current King around for as long as possible.

I'm against spending all of our Influence on multi-turn actions since we don't know what random events or NPC actions might happen.
 
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[] Plan Oshha
-[] Authority & Influence & Influence: Math Reform: The Kus have made advances in the notation of mathematics beyond the wildest dreams of the people. Not to mention the substance of math. "Zero"… it will change everything once people get a handle on it. If you were to institute reforms that changed the Melkut Ymaryn to the superior Kus system of math, then there would be immense savings simply from more precise ability to keep track of things. Of course, until the bureaucracy got a hang of the new numbers, it would be pure chaos. (45%. 5 Years. Extremely Expensive, -1 Authority while in progress, +2 Income)
-[] Influence: Forgive Loan: Other people owe you money, but it's not like you need the cash. Their gratitude at being let off the hook may be more valuable than mere silver. (100%, 1 Year, -.1 Income, +Opinion, Possible ± Prestige, Narrative effects)
--[] Amber Road
-[] Influence: Repay Loan: You now have the money you need to repay a loan, do so. (100%, 1 Year, -1 Treasury, +.1 Income, unlikely +Prestige, loans expire on their own after 100 years)
--[] Pamplona
-[] Personal: Relax with Family (-Stress)

A tentative plan. I'm not sure if we will be keeping our Authority for this turn since according to the mechanics, we should only lose it next turn when the Math Reform starts in the results phase of this turn - The QM has spoken, it is a bad idea to use it. Two Influence goes to the Math Reform. One Influence goes to forgiving Amber Road's loan and while I want to ally Pamplona, I've decided that I want to repay their loan first before going about asking for an alliance seem it might be awkward for the narrative chance of success to go asking for a nonaggression pact while we still owe them money. The personal goes towards stress relief to keep our current King around for as long as possible.

I'm against spending all of our Influence on multi-turn actions since we don't know what random events or NPC actions might happen.

I like this plan, it is straightforward and covers everything discussed.
we should found a Banner Company soonish, but three years would be too long to bind our influence right now.
 
Will pamp be happy we repaid early? Or would they rather have the income?

Also, the possible prestige gain makes me raise an eyebrow…
 
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