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Ymaryn Successor Quest (Paths of Civ AU)

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Kiba said:
Ymaryn: "ALL HAIL THE NEW KING!"
*Brynn is introduced*
Saffronites: *confused noise*
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Our title of king is presumably descended from Big Man, right? I don't remember how we got it, but I wonder how explicitly gendered it is. If it isn't, and other people have just been translating it as King, explicitly, rather than Monarch, as it hasn't been held by a woman since ancient times, there might be a non-trivial amount of surprise.

And possibly prestige loss, depending.
 
ExNihilo said:
Our title of king is presumably descended from Big Man, right? I don't remember how we got it, but I wonder how explicitly gendered it is. If it isn't, and other people have just been translating it as King, explicitly, rather than Monarch, as it hasn't been held by a woman since ancient times, there might be a non-trivial amount of surprise.

And possibly prestige loss, depending.
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It's adopted from the lowlanders, maybe from the highlanders.

The Khem probably already done their investigation on how the Ymaryn work in case they had forgotten. Not sure about the other powers.
 
I want to strongly consider investing in provinces. We have gotten time and time again remimders that our country is in shambles from all the wars and the great Khan's attack.

I bet we could be in a LOT better position if we support every province at least once.
 
Fouredged Sword said:
I want to strongly consider investing in provinces. We have gotten time and time again remimders that our country is in shambles from all the wars and the great Khan's attack.

I bet we could be in a LOT better position if we support every province at least once.
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I'm going to wait until we get QM confirmation that it has some merit to it before doing it. It is a costly plan in both Treasury and Influence so I don't want to do it without knowing that there are benefits to be gained from it.
 
Kiba said:
Better position how? Do we get increased tax revenue?
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Most likely. Fixing infrastructure and getting all the farms and forests productive again means our cities grow bigger and more productive in a feedback loop.

Investing in provinces has expressly been used by the provinces to better themselves and fix damage.

Maybe it happens on it's own eventually, but I would like to prime the pump so to speak.
 
I would like to note that war ended 4 years ago. 2 years ago is the Dragon General retirement.

So we're only rebuilding in earnest and started a series of major reforms and engineering project throughout the Kingdom.
 
Oshha said:
I'm going to wait until we get QM confirmation that it has some merit to it before doing it. It is a costly plan in both Treasury and Influence so I don't want to do it without knowing that there are benefits to be gained from it.
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Most of the rebuilding is happening below the layer of abstraction, but supporting all the provinces would definitely speed it up.
 
I counted 8 province. We gave 1 treasury to Hathatya. 7 more to go. To put this in perspective, the guild gives us 5 treasury every 10 years. Income at the current level gives us only 0.8 every five years, so that gives us 1.6 treasury every ten years.

So, we would have 1.6 + 5 = 6.6 treasury. It's not enough to do province support for every province which is much bigger than a megaproject in itself. In contrast, the wagonway costs us a treasury every 4 years for a 25 years project. We can expect to pay 6 treasury if everything goes perfect.
 
Some of the provinces probably need more than others: Txolla would say yes please to 1 Treasury, spend it all and still need more because they are large, highly productive and have no natural defenses worth speaking of, meaning that a lot got destroyed there that needs to be rebuilt and even when it is all done there'll still be room to spend cash. Thunder Plateau also needs rebuilding rather urgently, no doubt, and helping the brand new administration start off on a high note would be good.

On the other hand, Tinshore and Greenshore are rather small and a full 1 Treasury is possibly more than they need. Greenshore was the subject of a not inconsiderable war when we retook it though so it probably needs it more.

Western Wall... Well it's unclear. If anything they seemed to have made out like bandits and had several decades to spend the profit of the brand new exploited periphery they grew into repairs. And I certainly wouldn't reward them before our loyalists. But shoring up their loyalty would be good.
 
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Kiba said:
Is there a reason to seek an alliance with the Hung? Should we pursue further increase in relations?
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Pursuing further relations with the Hung is likely a good idea, as unless they start rolling 1s just constantly, China will always be a world player, and being their friend and ally will bring many advantages. As @Fouredged Sword implicity notes though, while level one alliance doesn't mean much, every level past has significant adtantages, so might be worth it. They are 8/10 at the moment, so changing that to 5/10 + 2/5 is a non-trivial option, but it's also one with little explicit time constraints, as there's little risk of Hung allying any of our enemies particularly soon.
Fouredged Sword said:
Somehow getting a 4/5 alliance would be huge economically.
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Free trade between the two great industrial powers? The world trembles at the thought.
Fouredged Sword said:
Getting a 3/5 alliance would have them boycotting anyone who attacks us.
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I wonder how much that would actually affect it. Most of the goods would be through middlemen, right? Unless the attackers are on the Indian subcontinent. And we'd likely be required to support them as well, but if someone's taking a swing at Hung, something's seriously wrong.
Fouredged Sword said:
A 2/5 alliance means we get better trade deals than anyone else.
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We probably already do, thanks to our trading enclaves. But still, tasty money, for them as well.

So yes, I think we should seriously consider using the Deepen Alliance on Hung, eventually, and doing something to boost their relations back up from the resulting 5/10. Little time pressure, in any case, beyond the presumable dosh inflow coming sooner, which clearly isn't a significant concern rn.
 
Problem with the Hung is that our relation will drop like a brick due to a culturally offensive element of our society. I want the relation to drop sooner rather than later.
 
Kiba said:
Problem with the Hung is that our relation will drop like a brick due to a culturally offensive element of our society. I want the relation to drop sooner rather than later.
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We are pretty far from them. It should be relatively easy to just keep this as a fairly profitable relationship between 2 best favored trading partners. Most of our alliance would consist of things like preferential prices on goods, mutual blacklisting of trading powers who really piss us the hell off and the occasional exchange of tech that both empires can agree to consider relevant.
 
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Crazy idea, but hear me out: 3x Influence on Math Reform is an idea that shouldn't be outright dismissed.

Failing these long-term actions can have in-line consequences, see the -treasury from failing Calendar, and thus should be avoided if at all possible. However, a three influence investment could be a lot costlier, oppurtunity-wise. Is it worth it?

Math reform, natively, has a 45% chance over 5 years. That's an expected 11.1 years and also influence/years, and an expected 6 failures, which might do things like cost money or other negative effects. Obviously, not ideal.

2x influence is much better. ~85% chance of success, I think, making it an expected 5.88 years and 11.76 influence/years, and an expected ~1 failure. This is, honestly, probably the best option.

3x influence is likely overkill. The chance goes up to 97.5, making it an expected 5.13 years or 15.39 influence/years, but with a much lower (I don't know how the probability works, exactly, but I think about 1/6, versus 2x's ~5/6). If we fear failure rolls enough, it might be worth it.

but probably not.
 
I believe we have the treasury and the income. Is it possible to get a public education system going?

Probably the biggest impediment is the idea of public education in the first place.
 
Great outcome, all around. The Peahens (and, very notably, the Urban Poor) saved us a lot of pain. This means, incidentally, that the patricians and higher-ups have lost their monopoly in politics; the Urban Poor in particular are likely to have an increased political presence (either because the patricians tread carefully around their sentiment, or from outright activism).

Too bad the Khem didn't take our loan (with a 95% chance of doing so, I suspect they kinda needed it). I wouldn't rule out them asking us in the future. Any future boost which would both help with relations, and would put us on the path to Fourged's envisioned trade oligopoly--significantly preferable for both nations, compared to simple competition.

Plus, this is a foot in the Khem's door; they're more likely to ask if they want something (saving us a future action) and the rivalry is in question, hopefully reopening the medical options.

ExNihilo said:
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Your analysis is pretty on-point but, as you conclude, it's probably not worth it.

Small nit-pick: Influence/years would be 2; units would rather be Influence-years from multiplying them (there's maybe an argument that Influence already means Influence-year, but having a specific unit would help in saying "this is our total commitment over time")

Kiba said:
I believe we have the treasury and the income. Is it possible to get a public education system going?

Probably the biggest impediment is the idea of public education in the first place.
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Maybe... we could sort of argue that the Guild Training (or a less-comprehensive version) should be a normal thing. With the Urban Poor having a new political presence, this could be a good time to strike.

Academies are still being jealously guarded.
 
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What were the historical precursors to a public education system?
I think that both the early university (a bunch of students get together and hire a few lecturers) and the one-room schoolhouse (a bunch of families pool funds to hire a grade school teacher) are Related to this. Does anyone have better information?
 
Kiba said:
I believe we have the treasury and the income. Is it possible to get a public education system going?

Probably the biggest impediment is the idea of public education in the first place.
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No, it is the need for human resources that is in the way. Remember our tremendous shortage of educated people for the bureaucracy? An education system as we'd envision it requires an entire new group of people with about the same level of education to form it. We'd be better off focusing on expanding our existing education facilities until we have a surplus of people with academic knowledge instead of a deficit.

The other big problem is that a lot of our people already learn a whole bunch of practical skills, which they do in fact need, so we'd need to reconcile our new system with that. The guilds certainly won't be happy if we try to change what they do when it comes to apprenticeships and what not.
 
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All I am asking for is that people can read and write and do math. I am not asking people to teach academic subjects like history or Ymaryn language.
 
@ExNihilo: The numbers look right to me, which is the really important thing. Are you using tables/simulation, or is there some analytical technique I'm not aware of?
 
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