[X] Plan Future Investments
-[X] Authority: Deepen Diplomacy, Kurna: You should seek closer ties to Kurna, they may want to buy your wares. (???%. 1 Year. Unlocks Opinion Gauge, unlocks interaction options. )
-[X] Influence: Construct Warships, Saffron Sea: You once more have Trelli. Its dockyards and shipyards are robust and capable. With those facilities you can build even more warships. (75%. 2 years. +Warships. Expensive)
-[X] Influence: Diplomatic Contact, Vynta: Who are the Vynta and what do they want? (???%. 1 Year.)
-[X] Influence: Diplomatic Contact, Euskal: Who are the Euskal Herria and what do they want? (???%. 1 Year.)
-[X] Relax with Family (-Stress)
 
[X] Plan Looking Across the Sea
-[X] Authority: Infiltration, Styrmyr: You can't imagine the People of Greenshore are happy to be under the occupation of the Styrmyr. See if you can't find some organized resistance to speak to or fund. (???%. ? Years. ???)
-[X] Influence: Construct Warships, Saffron Sea: You once more have Trelli. Its dockyards and shipyards are robust and capable. With those facilities you can build even more warships. (75%. 2 years. +Warships. Expensive)
-[X] Influence: Deepen Diplomacy, Kurna: You should seek closer ties to Kurna, they may want to buy your wares. (???%. 1 Year. Unlocks Opinion Gauge, unlocks interaction options.)
-[X] Influence: Diplomatic Contact, Euskal: Who are the Euskal Herria and what do they want? (???%. 1 Year.)
-[X] Relax with Family (-Stress)
 
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And for next time we found a banner company I have a suggestion - dedicated artilerists.

It's another one of those places that funding and drill matter. Bigger and better bombards operated by well trained professional soldiers would be deadly. It would likely be best in future eras when cannons dominate large battles, but it would be useful for any wars where we expect to deal with fixed fortifications.
 
[1 Authority +1 Influence invested until Heliocentrism debate finishes. Takes 1d10=10 turns.] [1/10]

Damnit. :cry:

I thought light v heavy was a function of the armor, rather than the arms?

I'll clarify the option.

Heavy v. Light is a dichotomy that didn't really exist historically. Everyone wanted to wear armour, it's just that it was so expensive (due to low levels of iron production), that not everyone could get some. Both Light and Heavy infantry tended towards using the same weapons (polearms) since they gave you range (safety) and additional striking power. When dealing with someone in heavy armour, you couldn't really penetrate it with anything less than a couched lance from a charging knight or at very short range from a powerful steel windlass crossbow or early firearm. You could, however, wound the man underneath the armour; repeated strikes to the body can fatigue them, bruise them, or even concuss them, rendering them helpless so they can be dispatched with a stab between metal plates. It's why striking the head and using polearms was so ubiquitous.

The 'types' of troops historically would be: heavy cavalry, infantry, missile (archers/crossbows/guns), and skirmishers. Skirmishers were basically entirely supplanted by light cavalry within the Medieval period; a horse can simply run faster than a human and societies had become wealthy enough to be able to afford to support them. It was only a few really marginalized groups or ones where the terrain did not permit it that maintained a tradition of skirmishers as a distinct type of light infantry. Horse archers were the king of skirmishers.

Infantry generally were as heavily armoured as they could afford. This usually meant a metal helmet of some type and a linen coat with either lamellar or maille over top of it if that was within budget. Note: even the linen coat on its own was extremely effective. It was very difficult to pierce or cut through and provided enough protection against arrows that they wouldn't kill you, even if they wounded you enough to get you out of the fight. Heavy and blunt weapons were very popular since even if it could defeat the armour, it could break bones underneath it, incapacitating the enemy. It was only with the adoption of widespread lamellar or plate that armour truly became proof against hand weapons and started to require real polearms, whether that was in the form of billhooks, halberds, poleaxes, pole hammers, etc.

Heavy cavalry developed its distinct role because of their ability to break infantry formations, mostly through fear. Generally, if infantry held firm, heavy cavalry would get bogged down and eventually cut down. This was, of course, a big ask from infantry since it'd be like standing up in front of a speeding tank based on your commander's say so.

Missile troops weren't super effective since armour was more than adequate to protect against all but freak shots when at range; even padded linen gambesons. What they were good at was sapping morale and baiting the enemy into breaking formation. It's hard to sit there under a hail of arrows, slowly being injured or killed by random shots.


Lastly, @Aranfan you mentioned that our Levies used mail, but I don't think that's realistic. Making a mail hauberk requires about 750 man-hours for butted mail and 1,000 hours for riveted mail. To turn out a set of munitions plate requires 20-30 hours. Munitions plate basically consists of a breastplate, skirt, shoulder guards, and a helmet of some description. It's one-size-fits-all so it's made en-mass for the general soldier with only a few touch up generally required for final fitting. Simple plate armour is so much faster and cheaper to make that it's not even a comparison. Once Europe discovered enough about metallurgy to move towards plate, they never looked back and mail was obsolete. The problem was the general Guild system and the small size of different states; they jealously hoarded the secret to make metal plate so it took forever. For us, however, with the Guild Industry, we produce enough metal and have sufficient know how that switching to munitions plate should have been accomplished long ago. Mail is astoundingly more expensive, harder to maintain (mail is badly affected by rust), and much less effective (especially for butted mail). Munitions plate first started to proliferate in the 1400s and became ubiquitous across the 1500s so it isn't a profoundly out-of-place technology for a place with enough of an industrial base that we compare favourably to the 19th century.
 
Lastly, @Aranfan you mentioned that our Levies used mail, but I don't think that's realistic. Making a mail hauberk requires about 750 man-hours for butted mail and 1,000 hours for riveted mail. To turn out a set of munitions plate requires 20-30 hours. Munitions plate basically consists of a breastplate, skirt, shoulder guards, and a helmet of some description. It's one-size-fits-all so it's made en-mass for the general soldier with only a few touch up generally required for final fitting. Simple plate armour is so much faster and cheaper to make that it's not even a comparison. Once Europe discovered enough about metallurgy to move towards plate, they never looked back and mail was obsolete. The problem was the general Guild system and the small size of different states; they jealously hoarded the secret to make metal plate so it took forever. For us, however, with the Guild Industry, we produce enough metal and have sufficient know how that switching to munitions plate should have been accomplished long ago. Mail is astoundingly more expensive, harder to maintain (mail is badly affected by rust), and much less effective (especially for butted mail). Munitions plate first started to proliferate in the 1400s and became ubiquitous across the 1500s so it isn't a profoundly out-of-place technology for a place with enough of an industrial base that we compare favourably to the 19th century.

Fair enough. There was probably a switch from butted mail to munitions plate at some point. The tech is still 1200s, you just make a shitton of iron.

Not sure if that would be enough to make munitions plate, but if so the switch probably would have happened.
 
Fair enough. There was probably a switch from butted mail to munitions plate at some point. The tech is still 1200s, you just make a shitton of iron.

Not sure if that would be enough to make munitions plate, but if so the switch probably would have happened.
In essence the massive amount of iron we make means that armor like breastplate and full metal helms have likely replaced chain for levi armor. Chain uses less iron, but a lot more labor. When iron becomes plentiful enough the switch to solid plate is inevitable.

I would imagine our soldiers wear something closer to Roman Segmenta armor. Less advanced than later plates, but still highly effective. It would cover the torso and head, leaving the arms and legs to be covered by bracers and leg guards over gabison.

And to be perfectly honest if we are equipping our levi with that level of armor and weapons like crossbows I am not shocked at all we have won every encounter so far. You can't defeat a foe like that via arms without a bloody battle. That level of armor means there is no easy answer to killing them. You have to break them and our people are too pissed to break easily.
 
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And for next time we found a banner company I have a suggestion - dedicated artilerists.

It's another one of those places that funding and drill matter. Bigger and better bombards operated by well trained professional soldiers would be deadly. It would likely be best in future eras when cannons dominate large battles, but it would be useful for any wars where we expect to deal with fixed fortifications.
I think that's what the regulars are forming with the ten years adoption cycle.
 
Fuck! I forgot to update the maps!

brb

Edit: Maps updooted.

In essence the massive amount of iron we make means that armor like breastplate and full metal helms have likely replaced chain for levi armor. Chain uses less iron, but a lot more labor. When iron becomes plentiful enough the switch to solid plate is inevitable.

I would imagine our soldiers wear something closer to Roman Segmenta armor. Less advanced than later plates, but still highly effective. It would cover the torso and head, leaving the arms and legs to be covered by bracers and leg guards over gabison.

And to be perfectly honest if we are equipping our levi with that level of armor and weapons like crossbows I am not shocked at all we have won every encounter so far. You can't defeat a foe like that via arms without a bloody battle. That level of armor means there is no easy answer to killing them. You have to break them and our people are too pissed to break easily.

Now consider that the rebels, which you haven't really fought as much yet, are about as well equipped and will fight with about as much vigor.

Black Sheep don't count since their infantry don't have the morale.
 
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And the Stymyr took down the larger of the two. We have to get spies in there.

Spies can wait for now. We need to focus on finances and war preparations, which means diplomacy for the former to find people to buy our goods. Given that selling our guns is a three stage process, we need to get started as sooner possible, especially since we got our income reducing our treasury next year and we have nowhere near enough funds to pay for the Mass Levy need to retake Thunder Plateau. Spies in Styrmyr can wait especially since we aren't going to be in a position to go after Greenshore until we got Tinshore or Western Wall first.
 
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Spies can wait for now. We need to focus on finances and war preparations, which means diplomacy for the former to find people to buy our goods. Given that selling our guns is a three stage process, we need to get started as sooner possible, especially since we got our income reducing our treasury next year and we have nowhere near enough funds to pay for the Mass Levy need to retake Thunder Plateau. Spies in Styrmyr can wait especially since we aren't going to be in a position to go after Greenshore until we got Tinshore or Western Wall first.
I'd have taken a spies in Tinshore option in preference if there was one.
 
Fair enough. There was probably a switch from butted mail to munitions plate at some point. The tech is still 1200s, you just make a shitton of iron.

Not sure if that would be enough to make munitions plate, but if so the switch probably would have happened.

Like @Fouredged Sword said, it isn't a question of technology so much as one of economics. Mail requires twenty times as much labour, but it allows you to save about 25-50% of your material (mail hauberks weigh 10 kg versus munitions plate 15-20 kg). Historically, this trade off was worth it since material was expensive and labour cheap. Munitions plate is manufactured with similar technique and design principles as lorica segmentata or the panoply of a hoplite more than what you would see on a knight; it isn't ground breaking technology. It lacks a lot of the adornment that made armour expensive and it isn't as extensively articulated. It's clearly an inferior product compared to full plate, but it's noticeably better than mail. Mail makes you immune to slashes, resistant to pierce and does nothing for blunt. Munitions plate makes you immune to slashes and pierce and heavily resistant to blunt.

I expect that our Banner Companies will have specifically fitted armour, which is much more expensive. To be honest, I think it would be recognizable as plate from the 1400s. The issue is that different economic realities mean that different technologies would develop. Due to the Guilds, the Ymaryn have had profoundly cheap iron for literal ages; over a thousand years. This likely means that iron will be used in ways that it never was historically (like the wagonways) and technology dependent on access to metal would develop faster. We're famously elitist and curious; both of those traits do well with developing advanced armour. There's nothing really transformative in armour technology at this point until it's eventually obsoleted by the development of firearms. Everything that happened in the late Medieval directly built on what was there before; it was social changes that made the knight in armour possible.

And the Stymyr took down the larger of the two. We have to get spies in there.

Building a Spy Network requires an investment of 4 Influence in order to reliably finish. We don't have enough right now.
 
Building a Spy Network requires an investment of 4 Influence in order to reliably finish. We don't have enough right now.
They are referring to these two actions, which both have ???. Furthermore, that investment of 4 Influence could be replaced by a single Authority.
Infiltration, Styrmyr: You can't imagine the People of Greenshore are happy to be under the occupation of the Styrmyr. See if you can't find some organized resistance to speak to or fund. (???%. ? Years. ???)

Infiltration, Black Sheep: You can't imagine the People of the Thunder Plateau are happy to be under nomad bootheel. See if you can't find some organized resistance to speak to or fund. (???%. ? Years. ???)
 
Like @Fouredged Sword said, it isn't a question of technology so much as one of economics. Mail requires twenty times as much labour, but it allows you to save about 25-50% of your material (mail hauberks weigh 10 kg versus munitions plate 15-20 kg). Historically, this trade off was worth it since material was expensive and labour cheap. Munitions plate is manufactured with similar technique and design principles as lorica segmentata or the panoply of a hoplite more than what you would see on a knight; it isn't ground breaking technology. It lacks a lot of the adornment that made armour expensive and it isn't as extensively articulated. It's clearly an inferior product compared to full plate, but it's noticeably better than mail. Mail makes you immune to slashes, resistant to pierce and does nothing for blunt. Munitions plate makes you immune to slashes and pierce and heavily resistant to blunt.

Alright! You have basically munitions plate for your levy. Crossbow, Munitions Plate, Sword, Ammo for Crossbow. That's what the typical city levy or mass levy troop is armed with!
 
I thought Ealam were islanders off the coast of the mainland, but I was wrong. They might be potential customers.
 
Random Worldbuilding Aside: Assisted Suicide
The Ymaryn believe that none should starve. This is not an easy thing to achieve however. The Melkut Ymaryn has, collectively, sunk a truly enormous amount of time and money into agricultural investment and innovation to keep up with the ever increasing demand of their population. Sometimes, even that is not enough.

As such, during lean years, it is culturally expected that the old and the infirm who are no longer able to productively contribute to feeding the populace do the honorable thing and commit suicide. Typically this sort of suicide is assisted by the priests.

This is a massive deal in Ymaryn society, and the social pressure is quite high. It is often difficult to distinguish consent from coercion, so large is the social pressure. Furthermore, while there is considerable efforts to find useful purposes for those committed to hospices, the people in hospices are often the first to "commit suicide" during lean times.

This method of population control is a major part of the reason the Melkut Ymaryn has been so exceptionally stable for so long.
 
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