We Are the Gods of a New World Order [Warhammer 50K ~ Warp God Simulator]

[Metatron]

That's why our opening move is diplomacy, if we are allowed. It costs us very little, and if it works we're golden. This is a very long shot.

Second is killing their marines, thereby rendering their position untenable and forcing them to retreat. This is what the winning plan for the turn was focused on; well, that and preparing to take the Capitol in the first place.

Third is turning some of their marines to our side, possibly enabling a situation where we can actually capture the Strike Cruiser that is probably coming. This is also a very long shot, and will depend heavily upon the exact nature of the Azure Dragoons Chapter.

Either option buys us time to get orbital assets at a bare minimum, preferably full-up void assets, with the last being a 'shoot for the stars' option.

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While diplomacy is a beyond long shot, you miss 100% of the shots you dont take. So give it a whirl.
I think you might have a good idea for that. Remember that Space Marines have a habit of fucking off after they take any kind of causalities because of their non-existent replenishment rate. All we need to do is deal like 30% causalities and they should fuck off, unless they decide it is a stain on their honor and stay till the bitter end, but thats unlikely for either Ultramarines or Imperial Fists, although White Scars would definitely do that.
Turning a Marine willingly is in thus time frame effectively impossible. It aint happening in any sense of the word. Chaos Astartes happen after direct corruption from a memeic hazard and even then it takes decades, or centuries.

Fields of anti-orbit sunflower lasers. We cannot get them fast enough.

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Orbital defenses are FUCKING HARD TO MAKE, I doubt we could do much in short time. The diffraction of energy through atmosphere turns a mountain slagging 1GJ Laser into a steel melting 100KJ Laser due to diffraction and absorption of the wavelength in a earth like atmosphere. Given we are unlikely to be able to do anything close to that I think out best bet is to make Sub-Orbital mines. Gaseous pockets full of Organic Hydrocarbon / Sulfur Dioxide gas to destroy drop ships, and provide minor defense against bombardment through intersecting vector obstructions.

assuming that a backwater colony has the firepower to destroy a space marine barge,is one hell of a gamble
like ''you have a slight chance of surviving an m16 shoot to the chest'' gamble

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I know this isn't really related but 5.56x45mm NATO is a really shit caliber for killing things, to narrow, to pointed and not enough power -to-weight to cause hypercativation of internal organs. Take it from someone who used one on people, I've seen people shrug off a 3 round burst to the chest as easily as you might shrug off a old overcoat.

 

[BronzeTongue]

They can chose the time, place, and range of any engagement as long as they aren't compelled to stay in orbit. Any society that has been in space as long as the Imperium should find the orbital mechanics of throwing rocks at a planet trivial, which I doubt the Void shield can stop. Even if it can wiping a few provinces or cracking the tectonic plate the spire rests on are well within their means without getting close enough for us to shoot back, much less landing to fight us.

They're only going to do that if they think they can win, so we can't let them leave orbit once they reach it for the first time.

 

[NSMS]

Orbital defenses are FUCKING HARD TO MAKE, I doubt we could do much in short time. The diffraction of energy through atmosphere turns a mountain slagging 1GJ Laser into a steel melting 100KJ Laser due to diffraction and absorption of the wavelength in a earth like atmosphere. Given we are unlikely to be able to do anything close to that I think out best bet is to make Sub-Orbital mines. Gaseous pockets full of Organic Hydrocarbon / Sulfur Dioxide gas to destroy drop ships, and provide minor defense against bombardment through intersecting vector obstructions.

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You... do realise I was joking, right?

 

[Omegahugger]

Orbital defenses are FUCKING HARD TO MAKE, I doubt we could do much in short time. The diffraction of energy through atmosphere turns a mountain slagging 1GJ Laser into a steel melting 100KJ Laser due to diffraction and absorption of the wavelength in a earth like atmosphere. Given we are unlikely to be able to do anything close to that I think out best bet is to make Sub-Orbital mines. Gaseous pockets full of Organic Hydrocarbon / Sulfur Dioxide gas to destroy drop ships, and provide minor defense against bombardment through intersecting vector obstructions.

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So you're saying we should make herds of Jumpluff instead of Sunflora, got it.

 

[Themarineguy]

Any society that has been in space as long as the Imperium should find the orbital mechanics of throwing rocks at a planet trivial,

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Technically true, but here is a pamphlet.

 

[NSMS]

So you're saying we should make herds of Jumpluff instead of Sunflora, got it.

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I'm thinking Weezings. If we go Galarian, they even come with dapper top hats!

 

[jwolfe_beta]

Technically true, but here is a pamphlet.

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Though the marines probably won't bother resorting to bombardment unless they feel the need. Because let's face it; 100 space marines is OP against most mundane/semi-mundane targets.

 

[NSMS]

Technically true, but here is a pamphlet.

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Ah, I remember owning the book that was printed in.

 

[armentho]

They can chose the time, place, and range of any engagement as long as they aren't compelled to stay in orbit. Any society that has been in space as long as the Imperium should find the orbital mechanics of throwing rocks at a planet trivial, which I doubt the Void shield can stop. Even if it can wiping a few provinces or cracking the tectonic plate the spire rests on are well within their means without getting close enough for us to shoot back, much less landing to fight us.

They're only going to do that if they think they can win, so we can't let them leave orbit once they reach it for the first time.

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or destroying the atmosphere,leaving us locked on the spire (wich i dont doubt we can turn into a self sustaining atmosphere and ecosystem,but would deny us a shiton of minerals if the rest of planet becomes a dead world)

 

[jwolfe_beta]

What you describe are the effects of exterminatus weapons. Unlike the memes, the Imperium does not start throwing these around like candy the microsecond a battle starts going poorly. Also, space marines are not typically equipped with said weapons.

Even high-ranking Inquisitors need to have some damn good reasons before they can push that big red button to make a planet (even more rarely, a life-bearing world) go bye-bye.

 

[armentho]

What you describe are the effects of exterminatus weapons. Unlike the memes, the Imperium does not start throwing these around like candy the microsecond a battle starts going poorly. Also, space marines are not typically equipped with said weapons.

Even high-ranking Inquisitors need to have some damn good reasons before they can push that big red button to make a planet (even more rarely, a life-bearing world) go bye-bye.

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''chaos cult overtaken entire planet and has killed several space marines'' is a good reason

 

[SurpriseMe]

If they were planning to fight entirely from orbit, they wouldn't bother sending Space Marines. I also doubt that they plan to do something that takes a long time, since they should be well aware what a bad idea it is to give a planet devoted to chaos lots of time and motivation.

Like, if we were old school and they tried something slow, they'd get a greater demon through blood sacrifice thrown at them. We won't do that, and couldn't if we wanted to, but they don't know that.

 

[NSMS]

What you describe are the effects of exterminatus weapons. Unlike the memes, the Imperium does not start throwing these around like candy the microsecond a battle starts going poorly. Also, space marines are not typically equipped with said weapons.

Even high-ranking Inquisitors need to have some damn good reasons before they can push that big red button to make a planet (even more rarely, a life-bearing world) go bye-bye.

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Or to be more accurate, they need damn good reasons to push the button if they don't want to get censured and/or executed by their peers immediately afterwards.

 

[Mannan]

The question becomes if the Imperium relaxed its paranoia concerning Chaos now that the 4 Chaos gods have been gone for close to 10,000 years.

After all with the Chaos Gods around reclaiming a daemon world is a fool's hope. But without them it probably becomes more viable.

 

[Themarineguy]

Even high-ranking Inquisitors need to have some damn good reasons before they can push that big red button to make a planet (even more rarely, a life-bearing world) go bye-bye.

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''chaos cult overtaken entire planet and has killed several space marines'' is a good reason

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Yep, a decent example.


While at the end of the day, it was a single piece of paper. How are you supposed to act when everyone randomly decides to start killing each other?

 

[Raising Kittens]

Turning a Marine willingly is in thus time frame effectively impossible. It aint happening in any sense of the word. Chaos Astartes happen after direct corruption from a memeic hazard and even then it takes decades, or centuries.

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While you would be correct for Chaos Astartes, we are not so idiotically short-sighted as Chaos. We're substantially more self-aware, and that might be enough.

Especially when combined with the intro:

Hope perhaps may have been found in the form of the Space Marines, but the twofold trap of the Chapter system discouraging coordination, and their genuine need to serve as a bulwark against alien aggression have stayed their hands. The few who protested were overcome by their peers or strangled by denial of much needed supply and expertise. The rest stoically accept the new lot and attempt to secure their homeworlds at least. Perhaps it will be enough.

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It will depend upon the nature of this Chapter, and the nature of this specific Company.

It's also true that it's even more of a long shot than diplomacy, requiring more of our time and attention. It might well be actively counter-productive, sabotaging our ability to respond elsewhere - costing us Blessings we can apply in combat, for example. Possibly not worth it.

But even if all it does is plant a seed in the lowliest Battle-Brother's mind, it may be worth it in the very long term, provided it doesn't cost us too much in the here-and-now. Which is more important.

On the other hand, if it works... the best-case scenario is converting the Apothecary, followed by the Epistolary, followed by the Tech-Marine, followed by anybody else.

The reason for this is simple: the Apothecary knows how to make more Marines. The Epistolary is almost certainly a decently-rated Psyker, and would prove to be a spectacular ally. Tech-Marines are trained on Mars by the Adeptus Mechanicus - just one would advance our tech-base by leaps and bounds, even without them having a biological specialization.

 

[jwolfe_beta]

''chaos cult overtaken entire planet and has killed several space marines'' is a good reason

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This has not happened yet. We are talking about the marines arriving in 3-5 turns. They're coming to kick ass and kill everybody (which might include a lot of people that aren't in our cult depending on the Chapter's mentality, see Iron Hands).

If they run into roadblocks I have no doubt that they will phone home for backup but exterminatus would only start becoming the go-to option if the place looks like it's becoming a true daemon world.

 

[notanautomaton]

With one Blessing and Dana on talking to the Astartes, we would be able to hit a DC of 110 at most, and would have a one in ten chance of doing so.

So even if it is just on this side of possible, it's still reasonably probable enough that we should do it.

 

[Metatron]

So you're saying we should make herds of Jumpluff instead of Sunflora, got it.

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Yep

You... do realise I was joking, right?

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Not really, that kind of thing is hard on the internet. Sorry.

While you would be correct for Chaos Astartes, we are not so idiotically short-sighted as Chaos. We're substantially more self-aware, and that might be enough.

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Its less a case of Chaos is Short Sighted, some are some aint, but a case of the massive indoctrination all Astartes have, not just normal Imperium Brainwashing but Psyker enforced mind wipes, brain cybernetics and genetic predispositions to following the Imperium. While the Emperor said "And they Shall Know No Fear" and everyone loves quoting that a less known part is "No Foe Shall Corrupt Them, They Shall be a Untarnished Bastion of Light" and that sums it up. We could try, but I would imagine we would fail badly, really badly.

 

[notanautomaton]

While the Emperor said "And they Shall Know No Fear" and everyone loves quoting that a less known part is "No Foe Shall Corrupt Them, They Shall be a Untarnished Bastion of Light" and that sums it up. We could try, but I would imagine we would fail badly, really badly.

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The Emperor who lost half of his Space Marine Legions to Chaos? That Emperor?

More seriously, the opening post talks about how many of the Space Marines would rebel if it weren't for it being suicidal. This implies to me that there's enough of a chance that it's possible, and I broke down the probabilities if it's possible above.

 

[Metatron]

The Emperor who lost half of his Space Marine Legions to Chaos? That Emperor?

More seriously, the opening post talks about how many of the Space Marines would rebel if it weren't for it being suicidal. This implies to me that there's enough of a chance that it's possible, and I broke down the probabilities if it's possible above.

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The Emperor who was trying to uplift humantiy, create a new empire, manage trillions of peoples problems, advance sciences back to the DAoT and still find time to mange his broken messes called sons. Yeah he took on to much, and so failed all of them, if he delegated like a motherfucker and stopped being in charge it would look like Star Trek right now, but he was arrogant so he took on to much and so the Reality Tumors broke everything again because they dont seem to have a sentience as such, more a pre-recorded series of actions like a piss-poor AI.

Also didnt read that part, shit must be super fucking bad, like holy fuck thats bad for everyone if the Astartes are wanting to rebel.

 

[Thanatosra]

The Emperor who lost half of his Space Marine Legions to Chaos? That Emperor?

More seriously, the opening post talks about how many of the Space Marines would rebel if it weren't for it being suicidal. This implies to me that there's enough of a chance that it's possible, and I broke down the probabilities if it's possible above.

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I didn't know their was another emperor(sorry about bad joke) after all he lost 7 to chaos the other two were idiots (seriously Alpharius your plan was stupid, I mean if humanity gets wiped out chaos will be destroyed and he believed that and Perturbo, oh no I wiped out my home planet father will never forgive better go traitor)

 

[Rafin]

Maybe just the fact you made their uniforms really hard to just slip out of in a moment of ill advised impulse, what with the thorns rooting inside and anchoring the symbiotes in place until they got back home where they'd be stored when not in use. Your machinations will lay undetected for years!

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Why would a goddess of life do that?

but what you do understand is the prayers that were tailored to inform you of what the sneaky people found out

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I'm really curious how a prayer like that would potentially look like. Is it just an informal "Dear Verdant Maiden, today I learned that..."?

And one more question. We've had multiple people seemingly joining our rebellion more for sociopolitical reasons than out of genuine belief and devotion. Do they actually count as part of our cult in the metaphysical sense?

 

[ctulhuslp]

The Emperor who was trying to uplift humantiy, create a new empire, manage trillions of peoples problems, advance sciences back to the DAoT and still find time to mange his broken messes called sons. Yeah he took on to much, and so failed all of them, if he delegated like a motherfucker and stopped being in charge it would look like Star Trek right now, but he was arrogant so he took on to much and so the Reality Tumors broke everything again because they dont seem to have a sentience as such, more a pre-recorded series of actions like a piss-poor AI.

Also didnt read that part, shit must be super fucking bad, like holy fuck thats bad for everyone if the Astartes are wanting to rebel.

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Marines watched Chaos die, and IoM, which previously used Chaos infiltrators as an excuse for being totalitarian hellhole, did not stop being totalitarian hellhole. More tech, more shinies, but same oppressive shittery, just more efficient.

So anyone with a brain and passing knowledge of history considering rebellion is to be expected.

 

[armentho]

I'm really curious how a prayer like that would potentially look like. Is it just an informal "Dear Verdant Maiden, today I learned that..."?

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prayer in the original sense of christianity is supposed to be an act of communion and communication
you dont pray to good as a ''fireman'' (someone you call to put fire outs)

you pray him to bond with him,tell him your day,ask him advice,thanks him and so on
so our prays would be more along the lines of how people make letters to santa

''dear verdant maiden,today i........ and protect my family,please''