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We Are the Gods of a New World Order [Warhammer 50K ~ Warp God Simulator]

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Derpmind said:
What gets me is that while there's multiple ways to encourage genetic manipulation, optimism is not likely to get a better shot in the arm than making it a founding doctrine. We don't need to take Weavers of Life to get genetic scientists and stuff going. Meanwhile, Weavers of Life is a massive target for anyone arguing against the cult's virtues: Genetic engineering as not just something we do but a founding cornerstone is something that's way easier to fearmonger against than far more less objectionable things like healing the sick or fighting against despair.

Right now, all our Life-Weaving is done by our deity-protagonist directly, and we've got a planet to convert. It'll be some time before we get serious infrastructure going, but Enlightenment of the Mind is far more likely to get us cookie-points when it comes to convincing the population to go our way instead of big-grumpy-Emperor's way. The general population of the planet's told to fear the heretic and the mutant, and Weavers of Life plays right into that established fear. But what's to fear from benevolent healing and optimism? We can munchkin for power later after we've convinced people we're worth joining first.
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Optimism has plenty of ways to make it into the faith as a result of quality of life improving, but we have to deal with the fact that most people we interact with will by default assume we're evil. The genetic engineering will get picked on yes, but it's also an obvious thing that we can argue about and is easier to push back on than accusations of subtle personality alteration.

As a warp god anything that even smells like proof that we're playing brain surgeon with our followers will make interacting with outsiders harder because they won't look past the first sign that they're "right" in most cases.

It'll be much easier to defend VM's followers newfound optimism to prospective converts if we can point to concrete things that make people feel better instead of a more nebulous philosophy.

People being happy because they're well fed, well defended, and well respected by their peers makes intuitive sense to a broad swath of the population - especially those who are none of those things and want all of them. Becoming that way because you're hanging out with a cult and read their book is going to look a lot like brain fuckery to Imperials because that's very close to how actual chaos cults start in the first place.

TLDR: VM & Co. were assholes in a past life, which is why we can't have nice things (or at least this one anyway). :V
edit: fixed typo.
 
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Frustrating to come so close but have the opposition saved by the bell, but it is the way it is. Hopefully the opportunity cost won't be too painful, and we'll take another crack at our doctrine soon.
 
On the battlefield experience thing, can't we just recruit veteran woman from the pdf or imperial guard to be pilots for the belladonna?
 
Thinking about our inminent rebellion… At least the new PDF troops should be on our side, right? Barely out of training, they would have been utterly obliterated by the flayers. Luckily for them, our cute combat maidens destroyed the enemy before that could happen! Surely those soldiers won't dare to be ingrate bastards in our hour of need.
 
SilentSpaniard said:
Thinking about our inminent rebellion… At least the new PDF troops should be on our side, right? Barely out of training, they would have been utterly obliterated by the flayers. Luckily for them, our cute combat maidens destroyed the enemy before that could happen! Surely those soldiers won't dare to be ingrate bastards in our hour of need.
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You're underestimating the natural inclination to follow those in authority, and the general grimderp of the setting.
 
Fortunately the PDF shouldn't be equipped with anything that can really hurt our flower knights should it come to a fight. This is an agri-world so at most they should have stubbers and maybe some autoguns/lasguns. No heavy weapons or vehicles/tanks etc.

And shooting trees with a gun doesn't tend to do a lot of damage.
 
jwolfe_beta said:
Fortunately the PDF shouldn't be equipped with anything that can really hurt our flower knights should it come to a fight. This is an agri-world so at most they should have stubbers and maybe some autoguns/lasguns. No heavy weapons or vehicles/tanks etc.

And shooting trees with a gun doesn't tend to do a lot of damage.
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I dunno- even with rifles it's more effective than you might expect:


Imagine twenty or thirty of those, firing full auto instead of single-shots. And then you get into the heavier, but still not super-heavy by 40K standards:


At that point, trees kinda just... evaporate.
 
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Yeah, but our flower knights don't have normal tree durability. If they did, I feel like shots from Necron Gauss/Particle weapons wouldn't have been very survivable for the pilots.
 
EternalStruggle said:
Yeah, but our flower knights don't have normal tree durability. If they did, I feel like shots from Necron Gauss/Particle weapons wouldn't have been very survivable for the pilots.
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Gauss weapons are an interesting oddity among weapons, in that structural strength means pretty much nothing to them. It's all about the number of molocules and atoms they have to flay away, and on that front even regular trees can actually be pretty good.
 
NSMS said:
Imagine twenty or thirty of those, firing full auto instead of single-shots.
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Helps that the targets weren't moving. Also Alectai's WOG is that on paper at least, the Flower Knights are equivalent to (presumably armored) Space Marines. Combined with the mentioned regeneration the damage done is minimized (as long as they keep moving) and when they get into CWC, it's game over for the guard.
 
Can we choose another doctrine later as well? Having kindness as one of our core virtues would contrast well with the Imperium's obsession with hatred. I'd like to show that you can be kind and thrive in this cruel galaxy.
 
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I don't know if anyone has brought this up yet, but we're planning on dropping the 'Emps-sent spirit' thing as soon as we can do it without causing major issues, right?

Since the Flayer's insanity made them count as alive for our powers, I think that our current disguise rendering us vulnerable to Emps seems a valid concern.
 
[X] Weavers of Life: The Arts of the Biologis have always been the largely forgotten branch of man's sciences, but the Cult of Verdance has embraced this technique, and create wonders and terrors alike with organic materials given time and a need to work.
[X] Stand: You've a ripe opportunity to take over a whole world! After all, you and your followers saved it in the first place. You're going to need to subvert the Governor's power though--and deal with the response that comes when you rise up in inevitable rebellion. But you'll have time, space, and manpower eventually provided your cult's expansion continues apace.
[X] Harvest Power of Reaping and Ruin
 
Ebanu8 said:
[X] Weavers of Life: The Arts of the Biologis have always been the largely forgotten branch of man's sciences, but the Cult of Verdance has embraced this technique, and create wonders and terrors alike with organic materials given time and a need to work.
[X] Stand: You've a ripe opportunity to take over a whole world! After all, you and your followers saved it in the first place. You're going to need to subvert the Governor's power though--and deal with the response that comes when you rise up in inevitable rebellion. But you'll have time, space, and manpower eventually provided your cult's expansion continues apace.
[X] Harvest Power of Reaping and Ruin
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vote closed alreaddy tho this is the wining vote
 
notanautomaton said:
I don't know if anyone has brought this up yet, but we're planning on dropping the 'Emps-sent spirit' thing as soon as we can do it without causing major issues, right?
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Near as I can tell form a quick reread of the story posts, that's solely/mostly for everybody outside of our cult. The people actually in the cult know the real deal.
 
It's also worth pointing out that Flayers believe they're alive. Other people don't believe they're alive. We don't believe we're an Emperor-sent spirit, so I don't think the Emperor would have any authority over us, even if he did shift from his seat for this.

IMO the worst-case scenario is "not all of our cultists' prayers are getting to us; some 'leaks' from the people who believe we're from the Emperor and goes his way." But it is almost certainly below the level of resolution of the mechanics.
 
I fear that some people who were voting were misunderstanding what Doctrines are about. It's not simply about getting our Cultists to do certain things- it's about what they're expected to do. And now that we have Weaver as a Doctrine, our Cultists are expected to mess around with biology. Wonders and terrors, indeed.
 
I mean, I'd be more worried about his saints. Or the Sanginour I suppose, who might legitimately be the second most powerful existence in the warp right now, depending on how the Eldar gods are.

Man, that's a weird thought. Lets not get piledriven into the ground by the Exemplar of the Host.
 
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