jwolfe_beta
Semi Genre-Savvy Overlord
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We Are the Gods of a New World Order [Warhammer 50K ~ Warp God Simulator]
- Thread starter Alectai
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- Sci-Fi Fantasy
That's what I assume it does as well. My point was that if sorcery is a deliberate act that allows you to remove that debuff then in cases where the risk isn't worth the reward it could be set aside. That would have to be a minority of circumstances to still be useful, but being able to control when we want to take the risk would make sense and have some utility.
I was also under the impression that we'd be able to directly use magic like any other domain, and that it'd basically open magi-tech to us as a development route. Working warp tech into our regular kit would be incredibly useful, and is well worth the risk on our other actions.
I'd like to point out that crit fails don't kill quests, and that in many cases we were saved by spikes where average would have been very costly, or even stopped us long enough to cause strategic failure. Not having crit fails doesn't make us immune to bad luck, and if the challenges we face stay the same we'll hit another wall before we come close to tripping over a pit.
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We don't control how our Cultists, not even our Heroic Cultists, accomplish an objective without spending Favor tokens. Spending Favor tokens determines everything about any given action - using Connection enhances their ability to connect to each other (Heartlink) and other people (empathy memes), Death makes stuff killier, Harvest is great for gathering resources more generally and looting more specifically (I win, I get to 'harvest' your stuff!), Weaving is very 'right tool, right time' effect.
Without spending Favor Tokens our Cultists rely on their own merely mortal skill and ability, as determined by our Doctrines or the Hero's personal inclination.
As such, we have no reason to suspect that we can control when our Cultists use Sorcery. They would probably only invoke it along the lines of the Domains available for the action... if the action succeeds. If it fails, or worse if it crit-fails, then I would expect the wrong Domain to be invoked. For example, if we're trying for better crops and there's a crit-fail the Coven may have unwittingly invoked our Death Domain, resulting in super-weeds, or blood-drinking vines, or any number of other things. Possibly useful! But it'll take another action to accomplish the original objective, and another action to accomplish taming the new plants - or killing them.
And that's just one example. Sorcery is certainly useful; hell, it allows our Cultists to summon up our Lesser Daemons without our intervention - but this can also cause problems, depending upon the action the daemons were summoned to assist with, playing into the inherently unstable nature of Sorcery (It's far better than it used to be).
Btw, did no one suggest ents for daemons? I mean, sure, they represent the nature-vs-mankind conflict, which, given that one of our domains is harvest (at least, i think it is), doesn't really fit, but still. And if it's not awesome enough, then we can steal warhammer fantasy's forest dragons. Our unit roster is starting to resemble wood elves anyways, i think. Just realized that daemons have to be humanoid. Then i guess no Good Boys either 
Aside from that, i think that VM is probably associated with spring, so a motif behind the daemons can include various trees and plants that are associated with spring/life cycle/rebirth: cherry blossom, apple trees (have you seen those things in may? their flowers look gorgeous!), syringa (lilac), snakes (especially with the whole ouroboros thing), fireflies (which are more of a celebration of life, but given our selected dogmas, i think it kinda fits), phoenixes (though that may be an elven thing; but we did just get some elves) birches (associated with renewal, industriousness, endurance...).
Speaking of endurance, i guess we can have oaks, weeds (as in pests, not marijuana), sparrows/whatever-common-creatures; arguably cockroaches and mosquitos, but let's not go full-nurgle here.
Then, what with the whole healing thing, then you could argue theat VM stands not just for rebirth, but also the renewal life; imagine a festival (triannual or smt like that) where people are healed (imagine a bath, like a pseudo-baptizement), essentially 'renewing and purifying' them, extending their lifespans by a few years; that stuff would be awesome for recruitment as well as morale.
Aside from that, i think that VM is probably associated with spring, so a motif behind the daemons can include various trees and plants that are associated with spring/life cycle/rebirth: cherry blossom, apple trees (have you seen those things in may? their flowers look gorgeous!), syringa (lilac), snakes (especially with the whole ouroboros thing), fireflies (which are more of a celebration of life, but given our selected dogmas, i think it kinda fits), phoenixes (though that may be an elven thing; but we did just get some elves) birches (associated with renewal, industriousness, endurance...).
Speaking of endurance, i guess we can have oaks, weeds (as in pests, not marijuana), sparrows/whatever-common-creatures; arguably cockroaches and mosquitos, but let's not go full-nurgle here.
Then, what with the whole healing thing, then you could argue theat VM stands not just for rebirth, but also the renewal life; imagine a festival (triannual or smt like that) where people are healed (imagine a bath, like a pseudo-baptizement), essentially 'renewing and purifying' them, extending their lifespans by a few years; that stuff would be awesome for recruitment as well as morale.
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You know what. Everyone else changing their vote, might as well do the same.
[X] Plan Earth, Sun, and Elysium
[X] Plan Earth, Sun, and Elysium
jwolfe_beta
Semi Genre-Savvy Overlord
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- Canada
I think there's an 'entling' or something similar rattling around in a post but don't quote me on that.
And current tally.
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- Location
- Between Worlds
[X] Plan Earth, Sun, and Elysium
A lot of our stuff draw power from the sun too. Especially since we do a lot of stuff with plants. Maybe we'll get bonuses from fighting in daylight? It seems to have a lot of synergy with almost everything else we do. Makes everything else we do even stronger.
A lot of our stuff draw power from the sun too. Especially since we do a lot of stuff with plants. Maybe we'll get bonuses from fighting in daylight? It seems to have a lot of synergy with almost everything else we do. Makes everything else we do even stronger.
- Location
- Somewhere, probably Earth
I have a daemon idea but no good way to articulate it, so I'll post the bare bones and hope someone else gets inspired.
It's basically a beast of burden, four-legged, with thick hide and plodding, round footsteps, roughly the size of a tank. In battle, they serve as line-breakers, walls of muscle and meat and pure Warp-enhanced unyielding determination that barrel through fortifications in much the same way a child might knock over an anthill. Their steps always leave deep footprints, regardless of what they're walking on, making bringing them into an arcology a dangerous prospect at best.
Outside of battle, their footsteps seed the ground beneath them with a mix of crops, flowers, and plenty of nutrients for both. It's not uncommon for battlegrounds where they are deployed to become farmland mere week after the fighting dies down. Interestingly, the nutrients these beasts infuse into the ground beneath them does not, in fact, encourage the growth of Orkoid spores. Speculation puts this firmly in the 'Warp Fuckery' category. Rituals invoking these beasts would typically be spring-time rituals calling to invigorate the earth, right at the start of planting season.
The beasts are largely believed to be mindless, grazing on the local flora whenever they aren't being directed by their Goddess or their Summoner, though what rare instances they do show taking the initiative hint at a slow, contemplative wisdom.
It's basically a beast of burden, four-legged, with thick hide and plodding, round footsteps, roughly the size of a tank. In battle, they serve as line-breakers, walls of muscle and meat and pure Warp-enhanced unyielding determination that barrel through fortifications in much the same way a child might knock over an anthill. Their steps always leave deep footprints, regardless of what they're walking on, making bringing them into an arcology a dangerous prospect at best.
Outside of battle, their footsteps seed the ground beneath them with a mix of crops, flowers, and plenty of nutrients for both. It's not uncommon for battlegrounds where they are deployed to become farmland mere week after the fighting dies down. Interestingly, the nutrients these beasts infuse into the ground beneath them does not, in fact, encourage the growth of Orkoid spores. Speculation puts this firmly in the 'Warp Fuckery' category. Rituals invoking these beasts would typically be spring-time rituals calling to invigorate the earth, right at the start of planting season.
The beasts are largely believed to be mindless, grazing on the local flora whenever they aren't being directed by their Goddess or their Summoner, though what rare instances they do show taking the initiative hint at a slow, contemplative wisdom.
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jwolfe_beta
Semi Genre-Savvy Overlord
- Location
- Canada
Problem is Alectai is calling for humanoid daemons right now.
- Location
- Somewhere, probably Earth
jwolfe_beta
Semi Genre-Savvy Overlord
- Location
- Canada
Nothing says this will be our only minor daemon.
I believe the gacha and ascendance gets offered every other level. 3/5/7/9 and such. However I could be wrong since I think i read that in the discord.
meianmaru
The Devourer of Fiction
I would like to remind you all that Sorcery isn't just about playing with game mechanics by removing the mortal limits and introducing crit-fail. Or even the stuff like giving our cultist the ability to do basically sorcery-bioengineering, letting the Weaver Sect make wondorous things on a greater scale and with less limitations than before, or let the Mender Sect to heal and otherwise help those in need even when it would otherwise be impossible for them. Because I'm almost certain that it will also unlock caster-units for us to use on the battlefield, which with things like Life-Death-Sorcery should become really scary against even SM-level threats in the case they are living beings.
And the Sun Domain? Honestly, it sounds amazing and I want it later on, but only after getting Sorcery. Because if we get the whole spread of Earth, Weather and Sun together with Sorcery, well. I'm pretty sure our druids, or whatever we end up calling them, will tear through whole battlefields when needed. Even with "just" the Earth Domain for a macro-scale Domain to go together with Sorcery, our battlefield control will rise exponentially. And as warp-fuckery is one of the major advantages we will have against the Necrons and the C'tan, which will likely be our next great foe, well there is that too.
And the Sun Domain? Honestly, it sounds amazing and I want it later on, but only after getting Sorcery. Because if we get the whole spread of Earth, Weather and Sun together with Sorcery, well. I'm pretty sure our druids, or whatever we end up calling them, will tear through whole battlefields when needed. Even with "just" the Earth Domain for a macro-scale Domain to go together with Sorcery, our battlefield control will rise exponentially. And as warp-fuckery is one of the major advantages we will have against the Necrons and the C'tan, which will likely be our next great foe, well there is that too.
Aw. I really wanted the Gacha, or at least the Ascendance, but there's no way either will win by now.
@Alectai after the vote is locked, could you post the table of possible domains in the Gacha, or are you looking to offer that again in the future?
We will have three chances of getting to choose the whole Elevation/Transcendence/Expansion. Those will happen at Scale 3, 5 and 7. With our basics patched up (which includes Sorcery for me), I will be more than willing to roll on the gacha table later to see if we get anything truly game-breaking like the Death Domain again.
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- Location
- Florida
Jorōgumo
Domain's- Death, Weaving, Connection, Harvest
Taking the form of beautiful women the Jorōgumo is unlike their other daemonic kin, they weave together thread's that are as fine as gossamer strand's lining everywhere they dwell growing further entangled the deeper one goes. Too those inexperienced or unsuspecting it is often fatal for when attempting to remove them the web's will pass right through flesh as easy as a hot knife through butter.
Deceiver's by nature they will lure unsuspecting prey with a haunting song and their very own brethren like a puppet mimicking their motions with only the sharp eyed able too see through the deception. Despite their reputation they are often quite friendly too those under the protection of the Verdant Maiden particularly woodcutter's though few know quite the reason why...
@Alectai
Domain's- Death, Weaving, Connection, Harvest
Taking the form of beautiful women the Jorōgumo is unlike their other daemonic kin, they weave together thread's that are as fine as gossamer strand's lining everywhere they dwell growing further entangled the deeper one goes. Too those inexperienced or unsuspecting it is often fatal for when attempting to remove them the web's will pass right through flesh as easy as a hot knife through butter.
Deceiver's by nature they will lure unsuspecting prey with a haunting song and their very own brethren like a puppet mimicking their motions with only the sharp eyed able too see through the deception. Despite their reputation they are often quite friendly too those under the protection of the Verdant Maiden particularly woodcutter's though few know quite the reason why...
@Alectai
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Ekzentric Lohner
I miss Wildstar...
We have our
I wrote "Entlings" as basically Groot. I figure a full Ent would be either a Greater Daemon or the mentioned result of a bunch of Entlings gattai-ing or of an Entling being summoned into a living tree.
If you want to not unlock crit fails, the only plan with the slightest prayer of catching up to the leading Peace+Earth+Magic plan at this point appears to be [X] Plan Earth, Sun, and Elysium
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Dream Logic
An offseason swallow
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- In transit
[X] Plan Earth, Sun, and Elysium
No major reasons other then wondering if we can make a Kaiju with Plasma breath.
No major reasons other then wondering if we can make a Kaiju with Plasma breath.
Ekzentric Lohner
I miss Wildstar...
We totally could...
Godzilla, but with trees on his back instead of those weird spiky plate things.
Or better yet, Gamera, Friend to all Children and the Guardian of the Universe!
Godzilla, but with trees on his back instead of those weird spiky plate things.
Or better yet, Gamera, Friend to all Children and the Guardian of the Universe!
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