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- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
By "it" I mean Loremaster-at-Large.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- Fantasy Users' Choice!
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- warhammer warhammer fantasy fantasy be gay do crimes (gay) female protagonist pansexual protagonist ck2 quest divided loyalties mountain vietnam ranald is real this is a dwarf quest (dwarfs) this is maybe an elf quest this is not a vampire quest this is not an empire quest try it and find out open voting
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pucflek
Verified simpleton
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- Czech Republic
Because that would mean reaching something that is the purview of Golden Age Dwarfs and Elves.
Its not impossible, but being in the realm of Bok or even above, i think it is grossly optimistic to consider it likely result.
' Waystone stays in K8P even more'
that was what I was commenting on.
Pretty sure if we do waystones as a full job we are going to be spending more time in Laurelorn Forest then anywhere else.
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- Manchester, UK
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- He/They
Someone needs to learn to make new ones eventually, but it doesn't have to be Mathilde nor does it have to be this century. Mathilde laying some groundwork to stop things getting worse, repairing mild damage and turning on ones that were turned off due to blockages, buys more time for other people to work out the rest of the details.
I mean look at Nagash, sure he was an evil SoB, but he was also a human who did do that. I do not consider it easy and I do not consider it likely because Mathy can die with the world being what it is, but if we work hard enough for long enough, if we are lucky as well as smart I think we can do it.
Someone needs to make new ones soon and I do not think there are all these waystones just waiting for the flick of a button, for a simple reason. The High elves are a global thesalocracy. If it was as easy as 'turning on' they would have already done it. We need to apply the thing humanity has have which the Asur do not, manpower, rather than just run around flicking buttons.
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Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
Yeah, the Slann straight up moved a mountain range. That tends to be disasterous to the things currently in them.
Kornet
Quite possibly a sloth abomination
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- Mother Russia
You know, all these talk about "long enough and hard enough" makes me re-consider voting for the option. Because it sounds as incredibly dull. Dedicating an arc to it? Fine. Making it a near eternal one? Very much not fine.
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- Manchester, UK
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- He/They
The high elves are hilariously isolationist most of the time. They're not going to go into Sylvania to check out a waystone, follow its channel to the blockage in an ancient vampire's tomb, kill the vampire, and then turn the waystone back on.
They're just going to ignore the problem because it's not impacting them directly.
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- Earth
The only High Elves with Waystone-knowledge to visit the Old World recently was Teclis (and maybe his 2 compatriots).
And they didn't have the time to go wandering around everywhere.
And no one needs to make new ones soon. As long as the current ones are successfully defended things won't ge worse at least.
Burned_Cookie
Very tired girl.
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- Plato´s cave.
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- She/Her/It/Its
Please do reconsider. It may be the most benificial to the world, but at as quest, it looks to me like "boring drudgework the quest". I don`t doubt that Boney could pull it off, but why give them dirt instead of clay?
I am becoming more anti-Waystone the more this vote goes on. It's funny because it used to be my preferred alternative, but now that I see the other options I'm liking it less and less.
Why?
Because the other options seem to offer immediate, tangible rewards and impacts. We work on them for five or ten years, we come away with a visibly improved world. The Waystones are just like, put all this work in and maybe at the end of the day you "bring a few more online" and there's no obvious effect other than an assurance that someday, a long way down the road, things will probably be less bad than they would have been. Probably.
I think I'd rather chase the undead out of Sylvania, chase the rat out of Nuln, run Swamp Town, or help raise a future Emperor while trying to provide a voice of sanity to a current Empress.
Why?
Because the other options seem to offer immediate, tangible rewards and impacts. We work on them for five or ten years, we come away with a visibly improved world. The Waystones are just like, put all this work in and maybe at the end of the day you "bring a few more online" and there's no obvious effect other than an assurance that someday, a long way down the road, things will probably be less bad than they would have been. Probably.
I think I'd rather chase the undead out of Sylvania, chase the rat out of Nuln, run Swamp Town, or help raise a future Emperor while trying to provide a voice of sanity to a current Empress.
The high elves used to be isolationist when it came to the Old World so as not to upset the Karaz Ankor and risk a resumption of hostilities, that is no longer the case. There are now elf mages wherever there are elf ships and there are elf ships on every sea and in every port.
When I read that, I did not get the impression that lost meant destroyed. I presumed it to mean forgotten/out of power/in disrepair. Like, take the Eyes of Grimnir - I'm not even sure how thousands of distributed runes could be considered destroyed. Damaged, certainly, but it would take sustained and concerted effort to find and ruin them all unless there's some underlying central mechanism which has been destroyed.
Kornet
Quite possibly a sloth abomination
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- Mother Russia
For me, the main and only surviving draw of the option is the presumed first sub-arc, "try to combine elven and dwarven knowledge on waystones. Probably by trying to make a runelord and an elven mage talk to each other". Because by the very nature we would be establishing diplomatic relations between k8p and Laurelorn, and that sounds both useful for the world and bloody hilarious.
Sure the rewards are immediate, but they are also less profound, less grand and less suited to Mathilde's skills
- Chasing vampires out of Silvania: Roswita is already doing it and probably doing a better job of it than our research distracted self could manage
- Nuln: *points at map of the underempire* What is one city less to that?
- Swamp Town: That is literally a shot in the dark
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- Oklahoma
'Make Sylvania undead-free', 'remove Skaven from under Nuln', and 'turn swamp town into something worthwhile' all sound just as optimistic/long term as 'repair some waystones'.
I flat out don't see the non-personal benefit to the tutor option.
Moreover, I'd say pre-judging how likely or long term any of these options are before we even look into them (which we are currently voting to do) to be pretty pointless.
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- Manchester, UK
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- He/They
Great, so any waystones that are in the sea or a port have probably had a high elf mage nearby.
That's not most waystones.
Well it means the Empire not losing Nuln to the Skaven counter-attack.
Is losing Nuln insignificant?
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- Austin, TX
Hard agree.
The worst part about the waystones is that
Oh Sylvania has less Dhar now? How can you tell? Will Sylvanians take the word of a bunch of Wizards that things are better now, no, really?
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- Utrecht
Pour lava on them. Or use your map editor to turn the slope of the mountain into a cliff.
Stupid OP Slann.
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- Greece
I think, theoretically, there could be other ways to drain dhar, its just that... if you think about it, they are all a)things the golden age elves and Dawi considered more impractical than the waystones, b) things the golden age elves and Dawi didn't have the power to actually accomplish, or c) things the golden age elves and Dawi didn't have the knowledge to do. Which does imply that in practice the Waystones are the only, or at least the easiest and least costly, way , but I like semantics.
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- Earth
Mathilde has been in many a city. The only elves ever mentioned were in the embassy in Altdorf (none of which had Waystone-knowledge), Asarnil and mentions about some being in Elfsgemeinde of Marienburg.
That's pretty much nowhere.
The High Elves left the Old World in -1501 and only returned with Finubar in 2001 after 3500 years.
And even then barely any went inland.
Only if you assume Waystone knowledge is widespread amongst any Elf Wizard. Which i doubt.
Teaching one to be capable of doing a few spells useful on the sea is much easier than teaching the intricacies of Waystones.
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- Utrecht
Or something their magical paradigms can't handle, like "I just instinctively do it"
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- Greece
Mixing instinct with dhar is a baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad idea, methinks. It works for a lot of things, but... I'd hesitate using it for that particular problem.
I guess if you are a really monofocused on cleansing Light Magister it may work, but even then, it has a huge chance of driving you insane unless you roll insanely well.
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- Austin, TX
I seem to recall a time when Gustav killed a dhar infested mountain in Eastern Stirland with cannons. It's too bad investigating that further didn't pan out. I wonder what Gustav is up to these days.