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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Sigmar is the perfect god to worship for Stirlanders, that shit is absolute poison for vampires. We just need to beat down all the idiotic Sigmarite monotheists.
 
Seleucus said:
I like the idea, but trying to scale up so quickly is just asking for problems. Maybe try it out first on a few strategic locations and see how it goes first?
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Like Sylvanian border towns.

Also, it's 10g per soldier per turn... We can't afford 14 towns without stopping our embezzlement.
 
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Yeah, loyalty is worth its weight in gold.

Also I think helping Van Hal with replacements would be more productive than convincing him of it.
 
Popcorn god's side is likely in space after this episode of Count goes ballistic on fundamentalist.
 
DarkLight140 said:
Guys, what do you think of doing something like this? Instant spy network (if a humble one), just add funds.

[ ] Van Hal can get you veterans of the Army of Stirland - mostly uneducated and suspicious of magic, but unquestionably loyal to Stirland. (no action required, -10g discretionary/turn each)
-[ ] Assign one to each of the following locations with orders to move in, make friends and "friends", send us reports regularly on recent events with an emphasis on anything unusual or suspicious: Franzen, Flensburg, Blutdorf, Halstedt, Steinbachthal, Marburg, Siegfriedhof, Gablitz, Thalheim, Hornau, Sigmaringen, Leicheberg, Schramleben, Texing. Veterans who have already retired into those locations or intend to do so anyway would be ideal.

Admittedly putting that many people into place would be best served by an action slot (maybe to do personal interviews of more candidates than we need and try to pick out the best ones?), and we could eat up just about all of our discretionary funds like this, but it would all but instantly solve the problem of not getting any eyes on most of Stirland for the next five years because building a network manually and personally is so action-intensive.
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My only concern is that they're said to be "mostly uneducated". Considering WHFRP characters don't all start with the game's literacy skill trained, I'm going to assume many of them don't know how to read or write, which complicates matters. We may have to spend an action just to filter for the ones who are also literate.

EDIT: When did all these Grey Wizards get here and beat me to my comment
 
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really minor nobles or merchants maybe make sense as targets for the most part if ur thinking of competent underlings guys . Thats also why the stirland league is so attractive as a target .
 
BoneyM said:
You can get as many illiterate ones as you want, but if you want to hire literate ones it'll take actions and rolls to see how many you get.

Also keep in mind that a) these people will be utterly unskilled in spycraft and b) living as farmers or retirees. It'd get you pub gossip and a feel for the mood of Stirland, but don't expect this to be the same as the level of information you'd get from somewhere where the headman or the Count's representative is reporting directly to you.
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Given this, I'm not so sure the results will be worth 140g from our discretionary budget to set them up everywhere?

We can still use a lieutenant or two here in Wurtbad. Messenger, liaison with the Watch...

Seventeen said:
My only concern is that they're said to be "mostly uneducated".
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And don't know spycraft. I'm not sure how useful they'd be as field agents without, well, training. In things we barely understand ourselves.
 
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I really feel that we should try and keep our boss from switching faiths since losing your religion due to a few assholes is tragic and I can't really think of a better god for him. Maybe we should try and take him to a stirland temple to talk with a priest who has actually dealt with other faiths because it seems like the Sigmar supremacists are all in high positions so someone on the ground shouldn't share the view.
 
I'm in favor for the Stirland veterans, Watsons for our Holmes as it were.

Also my understanding is that the RL Catholic church did not officially establish Papal infallibility as dogma until the 19th century, though it was the majority opinion a long time before that. In a more polytheistic universe and with the Church of Sigmar being a bit less centralized, would the flaws of the not!Popes be such a crisis, especially considering Grand Theologonists have crowned themselves Emperor, declared failed crusades, have encouraged the secular persecution of Ulricans, Dwarfs, Halflings, Stirgany, etc.. and won their Electoral vote via gluttonous bribery in the first place?
 
VoidZero said:
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What is the likelihood of getting various priests' unannounced understanding? The kind local cell leaders run to when they noticed imminent gribbly invasion?
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They automatically report that up their faith's chain of command, who in theory should have a working relationship with the Elector Count's Chaplain, and news of gribbly invasion gets passed on that way.

It'd be a tough sell to convince local priests to report to you. You could try to deal directly with the leader of a faith in the province, but that would raise a lot of awkward questions about why they should be talking to you and not the Chaplain.
 
Alliterate said:
Given this, I'm not so sure the results will be worth 140g from our discretionary budget to set them up everywhere?

We can still use a lieutenant or two here in Wurtbad. Messenger, liaison with the Watch...
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Agreed. Do we have any way of knowing which towns are the most important aside from the map in the Stirland Geopolitics threadmark? I just pulled the list from the bottom since it seemed to have everywhere prominent, but we're likely going to need to cut down to the top eight or ten locations. @BoneyM, does Mathilde have opinions on these locations' importance/likelihood of having emergent problems enter street-level gossip, or is that largely outside her knowledge base?
 
BoneyM said:
They automatically report that up their faith's chain of command, who in theory should have a working relationship with the Elector Count's Chaplain, and news of gribbly invasion gets passed on that way.

It'd be a tough sell to convince local priests to report to you. You could try to deal directly with the leader of a faith in the province, but that would raise a lot of awkward questions about why they should be talking to you and not the Chaplain.
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Good point, how about "just" information sharing; because that Chaplain is discriminating other faith. :p
 
We should probably dip into our d.income by hiring the recommended vets and the scribe to teach them basic literacy. Better not give them have them help with the Marshall.

As for our orders, think we should put four actions in, its just too much of a security risk. Namely:
  1. Examine corpse,
  2. Interrogate captured one
  3. Check their off castle visits
  4. Interrogate the remaining servants. Main interest is to root out evil spies, not spies for other interests, though they'll be a bonus
Apart from that, we should really look into throwing a net to get more help that we don't need to spend time recruiting. Hang out a shingle as a wizard and see what help we get. Anyone responding might not be loyal, but they're willing to work with wizards and we won't know anyway until we try.

Edit: we should try to get his crisis of faith settled out ASAP, thats bad for an elector count.
 
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bookwyrm said:
Also my understanding is that the RL Catholic church did not officially establish Papal infallibility as dogma until the 19th century, though it was the majority opinion a long time before that. In a more polytheistic universe and with the Church of Sigmar being a bit less centralized, would the flaws of the not!Popes be such a crisis, especially considering Grand Theologonists have crowned themselves Emperor, declared failed crusades, have encouraged the secular persecution of Ulricans, Dwarfs, Halflings, Stirgany, etc.. and won their Electoral vote via gluttonous bribery in the first place?
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This isn't shaking Van Hal's faith in Sigmar exactly, it's challenging his trust in the structure of the Sigmarite faith and making him wonder if there's a God out there who's representatives wouldn't fuck him when he's doing his all to keep the Empire from being buried under hungry corpses.

His unmodified Piety is 12. If it was higher, it'd take more to achieve a crisis of faith.
 
Night_stalker said:
Or go Morr. Lot easier to follow, and we can help plant all the bodies after battles.
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Tbh the answer is go with all of them. The gods all have separate portfolios, so it'd be best to invoke the deity most relevant to the task at hand.

@BoneyM can we push for a province-level Conclave of Faiths to be established, so that every official faith gets supported? I'm thinking we can put the idea in Van Hal's mind and go from there. It's a bit outside our portfolio but it really needs doing.
 
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LoganBert34 said:
Apart from that, we should really look into throwing a net to get more help that we don't need to spend time recruiting. Hang out a shingle as a wizard and see what help we get. Anyone responding might not be loyal, but they're willing to work with wizards and we won't know anyway until we try.
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I'm pretty sure that action is for enticing people who want to hire a wizard, not work for one.
 
DarkLight140 said:
Agreed. Do we have any way of knowing which towns are the most important aside from the map in the Stirland Geopolitics threadmark? I just pulled the list from the bottom since it seemed to have everywhere prominent, but we're likely going to need to cut down to the top eight or ten locations. @BoneyM, does Mathilde have opinions on these locations' importance/likelihood of having emergent problems enter street-level gossip, or is that largely outside her knowledge base?
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A few possible ways to sort out targets:

Every town or village along the east-west road (16 agents)
Every town that is the capital of a County or Barony (13 agents)
Every town that is the capital of a Count or Baron (10 agents)
Everywhere along the north-south road (5 agents)
Every town and village on the Sylvanian border (5 agents)
Every major town in troublesome Southern Stirland (5 agents)
Every town bordering the perfidious halflings (5 agents)
 
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