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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Fanhunter696 said:
I think that Branhulde should also be here
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I get the feeling it's going to be a Noble Phantasm when summoned as a Saber.

draconas said:
That's would probably be for her Saber Incarnation. Just like her Caster Incarnation would presumably have her Staff of Mistery, and either a Noble Phantasm representing her creation of various super weapons and the widespread changes she brought about, or just one of her super weapons like the Eye of Gazul.
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I reckon the Eye of Gazul itself would probably be her Noble Phantasm as Rider, since IIRC that's the class that is supposed to wield the strongest Noble Phantasms of that Heroic Spirit if they're eligible to be summoned as one. Saber's already going to get Branulhune plus a higher-ranked Seed of Regrowth and Belt of the Unshackled Mountain, and Archer's going to have the artillery batteries that turned Drakenhof to dust, so...
 
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Blackwing said:
Eeeh, I don't think Branalhune qualifies as a Phantasm. As far as I'm aware, NPs are usually one-off activate-at-will abilities, not weapons you constantly carry. Saber's Excalibur isn't a NP by itself, for example, only its nuke-everything attack is
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Most of them are.
There are always active ones though, like Diarmuid's spears or Achilles' and Siegefred's durability.
 
Blackwing.

Eh nah. For example Lancelot (berserker) has a noble phantasm that passively prevents him from being recognized, as well as one that passively enhances literally any weapon he holds into a d rank noble phantasm without any abilities, and grants him skill in using it (one of the weapons he uses this on is an f15 irrc). Noble phantasms are basically any ability that would be specific to a singular heroic spirit, not a one time use massive skill
 
Blackwing said:
Eeeh, I don't think Branalhune qualifies as a Phantasm. As far as I'm aware, NPs are usually one-off activate-at-will abilities, not weapons you constantly carry. Saber's Excalibur isn't a NP by itself, for example, only its nuke-everything attack is
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Eeeh. No, playable NPs are like that, lore NPs can be artifacts, prized possessions, passive traits, modes of transportation, and that one time Mordred stole a legendary boat and transformed it into a surfboard for her summer vacation.
 
draconas said:
That's would probably be for her Saber Incarnation. Just like her Caster Incarnation would presumably have her Staff of Mistery, and either a Noble Phantasm representing her creation of various super weapons and the widespread changes she brought about, or just one of her super weapons like the Eye of Gazul.
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Voikirium said:
As I said, I am (Hopefully) going to end up producing sheets for her under her various Classes. It's hopefully not a surprise to say all of her magical items will eventually show up as Noble Phantasms dependent on which Class she is.
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Aranfan said:
Nah, that would be if she was Saber.
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Well, from what I have seen of Fate the Servants with several items related noble phantasm they tend to conserve some version of them in their different summonable versions
Like Perseus, he would have conserved the same Noble Phantasm as a Saber than as a Rider, though the ranking and how each item worked could have changed...

And Gilgames would have had Enkidu and the Gates of Babylon (with all his hoard) available as another class as well
Blackwing said:
Eeeh, I don't think Branalhune qualifies as a Phantasm. As far as I'm aware, NPs are usually one-off activate-at-will abilities, not weapons you constantly carry. Saber's Excalibur isn't a NP by itself, for example, only its nuke-everything attack is
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Not necessarily, Diarmuid Ua Duibhne noble phantasms Gáe Buidhe and Gáe Dearg are permanently activated unless you seal them
 
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Voikirium said:
Alignment: Lawful Neutral
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I'd quibble here; her general approach of consistently seeking to apply benevolence to those around her I think pushes her closer to the Good axis, and the fact that her attitude towards e.g. the Liber Mortis is "anything's legal if you don't get caught" I think pushes her away from the Lawful axis. I'd pin her as being Neutral Good, probably.

That said the whole alignment system is an abstraction of character personality dynamics that don't actually fit particularly well into a 9x9 grid, so.
 
Fayhem said:
I'd quibble here; her general approach of consistently seeking to apply benevolence to those around her I think pushes her closer to the Good axis, and the fact that her attitude towards e.g. the Liber Mortis is "anything's legal if you don't get caught" I think pushes her away from the Lawful axis. I'd pin her as being Neutral Good, probably.

That said the whole alignment system is an abstraction of character personality dynamics that don't actually fit particularly well into a 9x9 grid, so.
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I agree in principle, but I think the 'Lawful Neutral' alignment is for her current incarnation as summoned in service of the enemy. The post calls out a couple times that she's not acting as she 'should'.
 
Fayhem said:
I'd quibble here; her general approach of consistently seeking to apply benevolence to those around her I think pushes her closer to the Good axis, and the fact that her attitude towards e.g. the Liber Mortis is "anything's legal if you don't get caught" I think pushes her away from the Lawful axis. I'd pin her as being Neutral Good, probably.

That said the whole alignment system is an abstraction of character personality dynamics that don't actually fit particularly well into a 9x9 grid, so.
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GrimTheMad said:
I agree in principle, but I think the 'Lawful Neutral' alignment is for her current incarnation as summoned in service of the enemy. The post calls out a couple times that she's not acting as she 'should'.
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A bit that but also in general I regard the Assassin incarnation as "should probably be the most morally conflicted." So for Mathilde, the part of her that leaped to assassinate Tzar Boris and places loyalty to the Empire before everything and so on and so forth, so Lawful Neutral.
 
Fayhem said:
I'd quibble here; her general approach of consistently seeking to apply benevolence to those around her I think pushes her closer to the Good axis, and the fact that her attitude towards e.g. the Liber Mortis is "anything's legal if you don't get caught" I think pushes her away from the Lawful axis. I'd pin her as being Neutral Good, probably.

That said the whole alignment system is an abstraction of character personality dynamics that don't actually fit particularly well into a 9x9 grid, so.
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This is the system that has Gilgamesh as Chaotic Good. Which is patently absurd on the face of it. So trying to make sense of the system is a fools errand generally speaking. It's not using DnD definitions.
 
Voikirium said:
Just an idea I've had cooking, Mathilde character sheets for the various classes I feel she could be summoned as, don't know how consistent or fast they'll be but I would expect more to come.

Just wanted to thank Abstract Ideas since their Snorri sheet provided much of the formatting and skeleton for it.
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So is there other Fate omakes you've done for other quests that I should go read for more context on this crossover?
 
Just use MtG's colour pie, and Mathilde is a perfect fit for Blue with (quite) some Black

Magister Weber: 2/2 Unblockable. (tap)U Counter target spell

Branalhune: Equipped creature gains Deathtouch and First Strike
Belt of the Unshackled Mountain: Equipped creature is hexproof.
Seed of Rebirth: 3 counters, Remove a counter, regenerate equipped creature or prevent all damage to equipped creature.
 
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Fayhem said:
and the fact that her attitude towards e.g. the Liber Mortis is "anything's legal if you don't get caught"
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I mean, she's not actually wrong about this one. Reading the Liber Mortis doesn't actually break any laws or any of the oath's she's sworn, she just knows that no one would believe she isn't doing illegal stuff if they also knew about her reading the Liber Mortis.

So I'd argue that her reading it would fit her being a Lawful character.

There are other acts you could use to argue against it, but I think the Liber Mortis thing is fine.

Voikirium said:
So for Mathilde, the part of her that leaped to assassinate Tzar Boris and places loyalty to the Empire before everything and so on and so forth, so Lawful Neutral.
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I think there's arguments to be made for Lawful Good there. It's arguable and depends on you're point of view, but a lot of people voted for assassinate because they believed it would save the most lives both in Kislev and outside of Kislev, and doing something you don't want to do for the sake of helping/protecting others is the embodiment of doing good.

It gets messy because of what the act actually is, but considering how selfless she is most of the time I don't think a few grey acts with good intent should be enough to disqualify her for Good.
 
Oh also for the Assassin version of a Branulhune NP, it could be about its ability to negate defenses, both physical and magical.
 
Six packs are very often the result of dehydration. Most people with a reasonable body mass don't tend to have clearly defined six packs, even if they regularly work out, and especially if they don't work on their core. Mathilde has been mentioned to be significantly fit and "big" by Kadoh's standards, and the guy's no slouch himself, even if his standards are somewhat warped by Elves.

Point being, I wouldn't necessarily say Mathilde has a six pack, or a well defined one, but she's definitely shredded. In a healthy way, not a "movie actor dehydrating for a topless shot" type of way.
 
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