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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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picklepikkl said:
This delays the galaxy dunk and AV book, since I imagine we'd want to do both the Orbs of Sorcery construction and the new attempt at the liminal realm inside the Room of Oh Shit Oh God Oh Fuck No, but I guess we can use our AP on some other research for the next two turns? Windherding, maybe, or some of our artifact backlog? I really don't want to play games with this and risk things getting much worse.

Anyway, this went pretty well, assuming Algard is playing it straight and not secretly telling the rest of the Colleges that our work can't be trusted. Guess I was overly paranoid in my vote.
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I'm pretty sure we're going to get a note in our file saying 'chaos may be fucking with her', and any reports/papers we send in to get some extra scrutiny because of it, but overall yeah; at least from first impression, a very good result.

Honestly, the bit with Belegar gives me the impression we might even have increased the trust he has in us, by reporting something he knows we could have easily kept hidden.
 
Boney said:
I don't think that's just you. One odd quirk I've noticed about questers in general is that they're quick to trust those that do right by them, but never seem to expect that trust will be extended to them by those who they do right by.
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I suppose it's at least in-character for Mathilde.

She's been (almost) burned before by those she should have been able to trust more than anyone.
 
Boney said:
I don't think that's just you. One odd quirk I've noticed about questers in general is that they're quick to trust those that do right by them, but never seem to expect that trust will be extended to them by those who they do right by.
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It also fits with Mathildes characterization, in a "Why would Mathilde expect to be betray- oh no now I'm sad..." kinda way
 
Boney said:
I don't think that's just you. One odd quirk I've noticed about questers in general is that they're quick to trust those that do right by them, but never seem to expect that trust will be extended to them by those who they do right by.
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I think that comes down to the fact that there are a few GMs who pretty much look for chances to screw their players over, and anybody who's been posting in questing long enough will have come across one. Even when you're dealing with other GMs who aren't the type to do that, the experience and expectation still lingers in the back of your mind (once burnt twice shy, and all that).
 
Boney said:
I don't think that's just you. One odd quirk I've noticed about questers in general is that they're quick to trust those that do right by them, but never seem to expect that trust will be extended to them by those who they do right by.
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The QM is the one telling them no. Therefore the QM is the enemy, and will use any opening that isn't fortified perfectly in order to wreak horrific destruction on all their plans. Presuming they think of the vulnerability in the first place, otherwise clearly the QM completely made everything up unfairly to mess with them.

Or not, but there's definitely some rpgs that run more adversarial than others, and the habits can sometimes carry over on either side of the QM's private wiki.
 
picklepikkl said:
This delays the galaxy dunk and AV book, since I imagine we'd want to do both the Orbs of Sorcery construction and the new attempt at the liminal realm inside the Room of Oh Shit Oh God Oh Fuck No, but I guess we can use our AP on some other research for the next two turns? Windherding, maybe, or some of our artifact backlog? I really don't want to play games with this and risk things getting much worse.

Anyway, this went pretty well, assuming Algard is playing it straight and not secretly telling the rest of the Colleges that our work can't be trusted. Guess I was overly paranoid in my vote.
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I'd really really really, REALLY, want to finish up Branarhune. It's just two actions away from completion + bonus, and this is as good a time as any, really.

If not... I would say finishing up Laurelorn advanced diplomacy and/or trying to codify Rite of Way.

Boney said:
I don't think that's just you. One odd quirk I've noticed about questers in general is that they're quick to trust those that do right by them, but never seem to expect that trust will be extended to them by those who they do right by.
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Catastrophizing is very easy when you're alone, and you have been very consistent at keeping the quest's perspective mostly limited to Mathilde's. And on top of that we have the general paranoia of being a Grey Wizard.

But yeah, even in quests that don't have those, it can happen pretty often.
 
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Boney said:
I don't think that's just you. One odd quirk I've noticed about questers in general is that they're quick to trust those that do right by them, but never seem to expect that trust will be extended to them by those who they do right by.
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To be fair, we're a lot more aware of the less right stuff we've managed to sneak under the radar. At worst we can suspect they've broken some rules, but we know Mathilde has.
 
Boney said:
I don't think that's just you. One odd quirk I've noticed about questers in general is that they're quick to trust those that do right by them, but never seem to expect that trust will be extended to them by those who they do right by.
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Maybe because the PC's actions (barring a few edge cases with mind control, impairing substances like alcohol, and whatnot) are completely under thread control, whereas the reaction of normally friendly NPCs in tense situations can go wrong from bad rolls or hidden QM fiat, with questers having no way to mitigate it other than voting to lie or stacking truth-telling reaction omake bonuses to the roof.

It kind of ties in to questing threads' general control freak tendencies.
 
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Actually, now that I think about it, the delay in the gigaflex from the Room of Null being unusable, or at least unwise to use, might actually be of help in distancing the gigaflex from the machinations of the whatever it was. Certainly, it would be much more suspicious to do the gigaflex in the immediate aftermath of contact with the Ruinous Powers.
 
StormySky said:
Maybe because the PC's actions (barring a few edge cases with mind control, impairing substances like alcohol, and whatnot) are completely under thread control, whereas the reaction of normally friendly NPCs in tense situations can go wrong from bad rolls or hidden QM fiat, with quester having no way to mitigate it other than voting to lie or stacking truth-telling reaction omake bonuses to the roof.
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Or sometimes because the QM warned them four times in increasingly unsubtle ways that they weren't perfectly covering their tracks and that their lies had been spotted, and they continued dodging the clue to the very end.
 
Boney, the next time we get to turn planning, could you label the actions that Mathilde would need/want the Room of Calamity for?

Want to make sure we know which actions either won't be possible without it or would be hampered.
 
we still need a bit to build up CF and Vitae to do the flex right? So the delay merely gives us time to do other things maybe.
 
Boney said:
I don't think that's just you. One odd quirk I've noticed about questers in general is that they're quick to trust those that do right by them, but never seem to expect that trust will be extended to them by those who they do right by.
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It's classic DM fear syndrome. Even people who never had a shit DM moment ever, and its their first time even playing in cooperative storytelling. Tend to get wrapped into this mindset. I legitimately think this would be a interesting avenue of study but I'm not a psychologist.
 
We could try to throw AV at Thorek for a backup room of Oh Crap in the event we just can't wait.


Although actually unless he borrows our room every time he does the anvil recharge shuffle, there should be a suitable space somewhere already existing for us to totally Morb Out. Though we may have to pay to rent it. Unless its too full of runelord secrets. Last edit I promise.
 
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Phew, that's a relief. I was really worried about the dwarf reaction but as Boney himself indicates they have a lot of reason to trust us. :tongue:

Also nice that we got daemon-checked again, honesty that's a bit of a point of pride :grin: and helps to avoid a lot of problems in the future.

Sad we cannot do the giga-flex next turn but I suppose there is nothing stopping us to start writing the book on snake juice (we need 2 AP for that right?). Also no excuses not to spend AP on sword training once and for all.

Just one question: does this means we cannot use the Room to train our apprentice in magic? Or casting new spells (specially petty magic) is not consider dangerous enough?
 
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